I don't think Rollins should be a cowardly heel.

[MartialHorror]

I'm aware everyone will probably disagree with me, but while I think Rollins is an excellent performer, I don't think I can buy him as a potential champion. He his tendency to flee has gotten old and I don't like how he has been carried by the authority. You can fire back that it's a great way to get heat, but I'll point to Randy Orton. He was playing the same character only a year ago, but the difference is that Orton seemed to win the majority of his PPV matches. He might cheat, but even though much of his story arc was built around him being carried by the Authority, this was around the time when the Authority was being neutral.

In fact, they were annoyed at the antics that Rollins is showing right now. The end result is that Orton had to win the matches himself, showing he has good enough to have the belt even though his constitution was weak enough for him to make a slimy villain. Rollins doesn't even really win his matches, as Bray or Kane tended to do the work for him.

However, I think Rollins is perfect as the deadly heel. One of my favorite moments was when he got the Authority back, as his apparent willingness to "kill" Edge was terrifying and brilliantly devious. He sporadically shows that edge, such as the last RAW. In a way, he reminds me of Triple H when he began the cerebral assassin angle. There is just something so cold blooded about him that you fear for his opponents. I'd rather Rollins go down that route.

While some complained about Rollins turning heel, when Ambrose seemed like the natural choice, his time in the Shield did foreshadow how ruthless he could be. During promotion for the Rumble (2014), he casually admitted he'd turn on his teammates, although most of the attention was on how Ambrose was acting. Furthermore, his abandoning the Shield during the Wyatt feud takes on a different light in retrospect. His 'brothers' were holding him back do to their own egos, while he was only concerned with how they fed his own. When they reunited, he practically lead them to the top, only to discard them once there was nowhere else to go. His behavior resurfaced when he turned on Orton and it can be argued he has been manipulating the Authority all this time.

But instead, WWE really wants to make Rollins an almost comedic character. His promos can sometimes be way too broad (like when he talked trash about Christmas). His running was practically a running gag and even though he is practically in the title scene, WWE continues to put Reigns and Cena over him. But am I the only one who feels this way? Do you think cowardly Rollins is enough?

 

[mral82]

In my opinion Seth Rollins will be the Next Top Dawg of the WWE after Cena becomes a Part-Timer. As this Seth Rollins is the same Tyler Black character he had back in ROH but done WWE style. He's not playing the coward but a Mastermind as that's why they've dubbed him "THE ARCHITECT". If you haven't noticed all Major Heels have a Posse that have their backs while the Faces have nobody. So like I've told many others I'll tell you the same SETH ROLLINS will be THE NEXT FACE OF THE WWE (btw the Top Guy doesn't have to be a Good Guy just look at Stone Cold as he was more Neutral than Good or Evil). Go back and listen to his Farwell Addresses in ROH as he stated that he'll be taking over for Cena or whomever is at Top. Also look at the Path of The SHIELD as Reigns and Ambrose were just helpers to his rise so I promise you that by April SETH ROLLINS will be the WWE Champ and last longer than Punk did and lose it to the Next MITB Case winner the late Spring of 2016.

 

[John McCass]

No, Rollins needs to be the cowardly type heel. He has not that physique to become a dominant heel. Speaking of physique, I want to say that Rollins is an average looking wrestler with great in ring abilities. His moveset consists of high flying moves. So,he can either play cowardly heel or babyface. As for now, Sheamus and Bray Wyatt can play the dominant heel as they have the physique and the strength.

 

[kadroan]

I'm aware everyone will probably disagree with me, but while I think Rollins is an excellent performer, I don't think I can buy him as a potential champion. He his tendency to flee has gotten old and I don't like how he has been carried by the authority. You can fire back that it's a great way to get heat, but I'll point to Randy Orton. He was playing the same character only a year ago, but the difference is that Orton seemed to win the majority of his PPV matches. He might cheat, but even though much of his story arc was built around him being carried by the Authority, this was around the time when the Authority was being neutral.

In fact, they were annoyed at the antics that Rollins is showing right now. The end result is that Orton had to win the matches himself, showing he has good enough to have the belt even though his constitution was weak enough for him to make a slimy villain. Rollins doesn't even really win his matches, as Bray or Kane tended to do the work for him.

However, I think Rollins is perfect as the deadly heel. One of my favorite moments was when he got the Authority back, as his apparent willingness to "kill" Edge was terrifying and brilliantly devious. He sporadically shows that edge, such as the last RAW. In a way, he reminds me of Triple H when he began the cerebral assassin angle. There is just something so cold blooded about him that you fear for his opponents. I'd rather Rollins go down that route.

While some complained about Rollins turning heel, when Ambrose seemed like the natural choice, his time in the Shield did foreshadow how ruthless he could be. During promotion for the Rumble (2014), he casually admitted he'd turn on his teammates, although most of the attention was on how Ambrose was acting. Furthermore, his abandoning the Shield during the Wyatt feud takes on a different light in retrospect. His 'brothers' were holding him back do to their own egos, while he was only concerned with how they fed his own. When they reunited, he practically lead them to the top, only to discard them once there was nowhere else to go. His behavior resurfaced when he turned on Orton and it can be argued he has been manipulating the Authority all this time.

But instead, WWE really wants to make Rollins an almost comedic character. His promos can sometimes be way too broad (like when he talked trash about Christmas). His running was practically a running gag and even though he is practically in the title scene, WWE continues to put Reigns and Cena over him. But am I the only one who feels this way? Do you think cowardly Rollins is enough?

I think Rollins' character is perfect for him. He's the top heel in the company. His gimmick is believable. He's usually not the biggest guy in the ring against his opponents, he's a heel.

Last night showed even more depth to his character. He wasn't afraid to get in Brock's face. He wasn't afraid to take out Cena and Brock at the end of the show. He's pretty much a modern day opportunist like Edge in his prime.

 

[MartialHorror]

I don't get "He's not the biggest guy" justifications. Stone Cold Steve Austin wasn't the biggest guy either and looked almost out of shape compared to Triple H and the Rock and...he was sort of a big deal. Same with Edge. And Rey Mysterio. Even Orton isn't that much bigger than Rollins.

 

[Zycho32]

When you run a betrayal arc, like when Rollins turned his back on the Shield, it tends to be more satisfying from a mark's perspective if the betrayer really is the cowardly douchebag who has to be protected at all times, as it will ideally raise the crowd to a fever pitch when the wronged man finally gets his hands on the guy. Granted, that's if you see the storyline through. The fact they kept teasing Ambrose/Rollins and Reigns/Rollins to a decided lack of resolution hints that they want the 'justice' to occur in a big event.

I will say this; as much as I want Rollins to stay cowardly- because the mark in me is pretty sure that if he evolves BEFORE payback is given, then the payback won't happen- he's certainly taking an evolution of sorts. In fact, I dare say it's Haitch-ish in its execution. That's ideal for the Top Heel in the game, and maybe serves to elevate that moment of 'justice' when it finally occurs. If it finally occurs. If the Shield gave me blue balls over 'payback' then Seth Rollins damn sure will.

 

[THTRobtaylor]

In my opinion Seth Rollins will be the Next Top Dawg of the WWE after Cena becomes a Part-Timer. As this Seth Rollins is the same Tyler Black character he had back in ROH but done WWE style. He's not playing the coward but a Mastermind as that's why they've dubbed him "THE ARCHITECT". If you haven't noticed all Major Heels have a Posse that have their backs while the Faces have nobody. So like I've told many others I'll tell you the same SETH ROLLINS will be THE NEXT FACE OF THE WWE (btw the Top Guy doesn't have to be a Good Guy just look at Stone Cold as he was more Neutral than Good or Evil). Go back and listen to his Farwell Addresses in ROH as he stated that he'll be taking over for Cena or whomever is at Top. Also look at the Path of The SHIELD as Reigns and Ambrose were just helpers to his rise so I promise you that by April SETH ROLLINS will be the WWE Champ and last longer than Punk did and lose it to the Next MITB Case winner the late Spring of 2016.

He won't be... in fact I can still see this being a Shield masterplan... perhaps if they decide to have Reigns go heel instead, which is possible and perhaps a better option at this point then they can have him not play ball/get jealous of the other 2, especially if Ambrose wins the Rumble by elmination Reigns last...

Long term he's not a cowardly heel, it's just a means to an end right now, everything about him screams face star... but smaller guys generally have to get to the top as heels... Shawn did, Jericho did, Bryan, Edge and Punk all had to...

 

[Mustang Sally]

But instead, WWE really wants to make Rollins an almost comedic character.

In many ways, it does seem that way, as if we're all indulging him by saying: "Yeah, yeah Seth, you're riding high now, but just wait 'til you don't have your entourage behind you and have to fight battles by yourself."

It adds an element of zest to his persona because we're not talking about a Ric Flair in WCW, who had his Four Horsemen to look after him....Flair was a battle-tested veteran who had handled things on his own for years and years. Instead, the beneficiary of all this protection today is Seth Rollins, a singles rookie, whose only exposure to the big-time previous to his Authority connection came in a 3-man vigilante force, the Shield.

It's funny.....for the same reasons it's not funny. It's not so much that it makes Rollins a joke as much as it seems he's putting the joke over on us.

In that regard, how can Seth be anything but a cowardly heel? You figure he can either let his entourage keep him safe.....or he can handle any trouble himself. It's obvious which choice he's made, right?

He can't have both....so, for now, this is what we're going to see from him, but frequent glimpses into how well he's handling his role are going to spell juicier parts for him to play. He's already got the ability and the look.

Seth Rollins is the future.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

As I've said in some other threads, I think that Vince has certain ideals as to how certain types of wrestlers should be used in terms of their personas. For instance, Big E & Ryback are a couple of guys with some huge muscles, tremendous muscular development and are legit powerhouses so he believes that they should be a couple of one dimensional meatheads. In Rollins' case, he's a 6'0" 215 pound guy, so maybe Vince feels he should be a cowardly heel who has an entourage to do his dirty work for him. I believe that Vince feels that if you have a certain type of look or a certain type of build, then you should be pegged into a very specific category. If so, then it's a perfect example of the kind of long run damage Vince's insane micromanagement style is: everything has to be exactly as he feels in exactly the right place with exactly the right amount of this or that according to his personal belief.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

I don't know if he is that cowardly. He is more just a jerk who has no respect for others or the sport of professional wrestling. He just wants to win and doesn't care how. The good news in all of this is that he hasn't been made to look too incompetent in the ring. He has at least looked somewhat competitive with the likes of Cena and Reigns.

That all being said, I dislike the fact that he may win his first title with the briefcase or in a silly triple threat match where he can squeak out a victory thanks to someone else's work. It is a waste of a moment for a guy with promise.

 

[Bockwinkel's Class]

Heels are supposed to be chickenshit. Part of the problem the WWE has right now us nobody wants to play a real heel: They all want to be "cool" heels.....which screws up the whole face/heel dynamic. If the heel isn't getting booed out the building he's doing a sucky job of being a heel.

 

[Mustang Sally]

Part of the problem the WWE has right now us nobody wants to play a real heel: They all want to be "cool" heels.....which screws up the whole face/heel dynamic..

That's true, and it defines what pro wrestling has become since the 60's and 70's when it was easy to tell the good guys from the bad.....and when someone changed from one side to the other, their entire countenance and ring style changed; a guy who had been bad his entire career suddenly became virtuous in every respect, from following the rules to respecting his opponent and the fans.

Today's portrayals are a lot more realistic, imo. Take Seth Rollins and Brock Lesnar. Neither has anything resembling "face" qualities, right? Yet, even while Seth can hardly be called a 'tweener (another concept that didn't exist 50 years ago), he doesn't seem as "bad" as Brock, does he?

Yet, shouldn't he? After all, even when considering Brock to be more of a villain than Seth, there's nothing cowardly about Brock.....while by definition, Seth is nothing but cowardly. Brock fights his battles strictly by himself; he has no allies in the company and doesn't need 'em. As a result, it's harder to hate him than Seth, who seemingly can't manage to get anything done by himself. Of course, you can argue that if you had the most powerful group of people willing to watch your back (The Authority, including it's minions Mercury & Noble), wouldn't you take advantage of it?

So, I think Seth Rollins should be a cowardly heel.....for now. But the day is coming when he'll be handling his own shop, and he needn't even turn face to do it.

It's ironic that so many look at today as a terrible time for pro wrestling .....because of the complex characterizations we see today, I think it's better than ever.

Good is good and bad is bad.......except when they aren't.

 

[MartialHorror]

I'd say Brock doesn't seem as bad as Seth.

Brock is portrayed as just a violent jackass with mercenary tendencies. He might be a jerk, but that's it. Seth, on the other hand, seems more keen on ending careers- and in the case of Edge, risking lives- while also being more of a cheater. Furthermore, Seth's discarding of the Shield shows he's a manipulator, whereas Brock is more of a loner. Seth seems like a sociopath while Brock just seems like an A-hole, so I think Seth is the greater of two evils when it comes to evil...It should be very interesting to see what happens when he turns face.

Wait, did I just praise Rollins' heel antics in a thread I created to complain about his heel antics? NOOOOOO! My opinions have the continuity of a WWE storyline!

 

[Stan Hansen]

He's wonderful in the character he's in now. He fits it beautifully and he's getting better and better all the time. He's the next big thing if they want him to be, heel or otherwise. He's beyond talented, he has charisma, he's big enough, he can work, he can do it all. I don't see any reason to change him now. The guy is a young Randy Orton, he has that type of potential if they allow it to happen. I see now reason or sign they won't allow it to happen. He's going to be a WWE Heavyweight champion sooner than later and deserves it.