I half agree with Reddannihilation and half Davi, but i'll only address Reddannihialtions post.
Lost his only title 2 weeks after winning it. Is one of the most over faces, yet his only success has been a 2 week reign as US champion.
Is R-Truth really that over? I obviously need to turn my TV up because i'm not hearing massive pops when he does ANYTHING. Just because people sing along to your theme music doesn't mean you're one of the biggest faces on the brand, otherwise Al Snow was a hugely over face.
Ron Killings got over as a face about 3 weeks into his WWE run and he's accomplished what exactly? He's in a 7 man team for a PPV. WOW what a fucking achievement.
I've not seen SSlam yet, but i bet he got beat with a shit move in about 2 minutes right? As much as it is the ME of Summerslam of all PPVs, being in a match where the majority of your involvement is standing on the ring apron and getting eliminated immediately after say, a clothesline does not reflect well on you in the eyes of the audience.
And he wasn't put in that match due to star power was he, really? It was because they needed 7 guys for a tag match and only had Edge, Jericho and Cena as actual ME talent to use, so they needed 4 more guys. When one if Bret 'The Cripple' Hart and originally The Great Khali (yes there was a swerve, i know, but still) that makes Truth and JoMo look like C-listers, alongside the novelty act and the KissCam giant.
Yeah he won a ladder match and wasn't even in the match were he lost the title, he has arguably the best feud in the past 3 years with the most over face in the company and is crushed in a squash match 2 months later.
You're talking about both his 1st two reigns at once here aren't you? It's confusing.
He won MiTB........ so? That means he got the instant title reign award just to see if he could draw with it. So they weren't saying 'we know he'll do well as champ' it was 'let's see how well he does as champ'. And then jobbed him out repeatedly throughout the reign. He didn't actually beat anyone during that title reign except JBL. Every other match ended in DQs or run ins.
His second MiTB win resulted in him jobbing to Kane and Umaga in succession and then suddenly becoming champion. So i've got to agree, Punk's been given a golden opportunity, but also had his legs taken out from him with shitty booking decisions. I don't think it's Vince doing a 'I'll prove the TNA stars can't get over like my WWE stars' attitude, but the way they booked Punk during that time frame was fuckin' stupid.
And Jeff may have been
one of the most over, but he definitely wasn't
the most over.
Now he's a mid-carder facing off against another mid-carder in a faction vs. monster angle. Remind me how again how well treated he is?
Just be thankful he's actually on the PPV.
He's got more mic skill than every person in the WWE,
No he doesn't. He's as good as guys like Edge and Jericho, but he's certainly not better than them.
he's got better in-ring skills than everyone currently employed by the WWE,
Well we'll never know really, since no one is really able to show their true capabilities in the 'E' these days. I hope you're not saying that because he has semi-flashy moves list. His ring psychology isn't always great, but then who's is these days?
yet he's not on the top show and he's routinely made a bitch. Certainly CM Punk is treated with the same level of respect as the inferior talents made by Vince.
The fact that he's actually leading a stable and is given a microphone frequently AND wrestles ME talent on a regular basis, completely contradicts that statement.
Read again ******, he only rewarded guys who jumped and helped him beat the competition.
Vince rewards those who he thinks deserves it (fuck knows what Swagger did to earn a Title reign, but anyway....). Big Show, Steve Austin, Mick Foley, HHH, Booker T, Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, Rey Mysterio, RVD and Jeff Hardy are examples of guys who jumped ship and busted their asses for ages before they became World Champions working for Vince McMahon.
Steve Austin, their biggest talent ever (arguably), still spent a year as The Ringmaster, and then another 2 years trying to shake that terribel gimmick before they put the belt on him.
Foley had to damn near cripple himself 50 odd times before Vince made him the champion.
Benoit and Guerrero had to wait 5 years a piece before becoming champions.
Jeff had to prove he was reliable for 2 years before he became champion and then what? The ******** went and jacked it in didn't he? From the moment they had that Survivor Series match where he and HHH teamed up in '07, Jeff Hardy WAS the ME scene in the WWE. And where had he been just prior to his return again?.......
Light heavyweight championship, intercontinental championship, tag championship, european championship, hardcore championsip.
Only 2 of those 5 titles actually exist anymore and aren't really worth acknowledging, especially as they were simply invented so that WWE could say they actually pandered to the cruiserweight and hardcore wrestling fans. Once those styles of wrestling became less popular and the other companies were gone, Vince got rid of them almost immediately.
Intercontinental, tag and world.
World title x3 after 2 years as a ME'er, compared to how many years where he only ever had one title shot?
Last I recall he was in a rather acclaimed match in 2002 for the Undisputed Title and it was at a time when he was only a mid-carder.
It's only acclaimed because so many Hardy fan boys thought he'd actually win it for a few seconds so therefore it must have been an amazing match.
It's 15 minutes of Jeff doing
half of the same old crap he usually does, and the rest of it is him getting his ass handed to him by Taker. It's not
that great a match.
Not to mention that Hardy's first TNA run was relativly eventless and never drew attention away from the WWE.
At that stage in Jeff's career and TNA's existance, why would it have?
Not to mention that Hogan was pretty willing to lose clean to The Rock, HHH, Kurt Angle, The Undertaker, Brock Lesnar, etc. during his second run.
But not Orton, who needed the rub more than anyone else out of that list you just gave.
hmm, Jericho didn't he just lose 2 matches to Evan Bourne? Didn't he go from WHC to jobber in the span of 3 months? Yeah, remind me again how Jericho isn't a fucking door mat by comparison to guys like HHH?
I respect Jericho for that. Here's Evan Bourne, who Vince probably resents pushing because he's small but does because Cena and a few others think he has talent, and Jericho is willing to help him get over and help prove to Vince that Bourne's a valuable asset. HHH rarely does that. In fact Sheamus might just be the only person he's ever done it for.
Now i know someone's going to mention dropping the IC belt to Jeff, but seriously? Why was HHH even wearing that belt then? Just so he could pair up with Austin? And didn't he just take it straight back?
No, that'd be your post. Being put in a main event match doesn't mean you get the best treatment possible. Booker T was in the main event against the Rock in Summerslam 01, he was also partnered with Goldust a year later, but I guess that doesn't matter. According to you, anyway.
And yeah, i have to agree whole heartedly with that. Being in one ME doesn't mean you're not going to be jobbing to Santino somewhere down the line in your career or trying to get audiences to give a shit about you fueding with Jerry Lawler over nothing.
