How to make midcard titles more legitimate

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WWE has been slowly growing legitimacy on the Tag Titles since unifying them. I don't think its because the time or matches in the division, but its the added stipulation that the team can show up on either brand whenever they want. A lot of you complain about how the midcard titles are lost and feuds are getting stale as late because of the lack of legitimacy and interest. A change is needed to add interest to these titles once again... which bring me to the point of this thread.

Add the same stipulation to the midcard titles that the Tag titles have. If you want to give a certain character more TV time, have them win a midcard title. They will get over quicker and if its a failed experiment, WWE can simply take the title off them. If they are so into the idea of building stars, this would be a nice little ace up their sleeve so to speak in building process.

Thoughts?
 
If you want to give a certain character more TV time, have them win a midcard title. They will get over quicker and if its a failed experiment, WWE can simply take the title off them. If they are so into the idea of building stars, this would be a nice little ace up their sleeve so to speak in building process.

What you've said here is not a means of making the IC/US/Divas/Women's title any more 'legitimate', you've actually just explained the whole purpose of having those title belts. To help promote certain talent.

Mid card belts are there to make the talent themselves seem more legitimate, so that if Raw was ME'd by HHH vs JoMo, then people wouldn't immediately say 'WTF?' because JoMo's held just about every mid-card title, so by now, he should be stepping up to the ME anyway (ya know, if wrestling were a real sport).

The reason that the mid card titles don't seem important to some fans, is because the wrestler themselves act as if they don't actually give a shit about them either. Back in the day, less than 10 years ago, guys like Jeff Jarrett and D'lo Brown used to talk about being the IC/European champions as if they were the only belts that mattered to them.

Crash Holly was so proud of being the Hardcore Champion, that he invited all challengers to take him on 24/7, and he didn't show any interest in any other belt.

Guys like Chavo and Rey and obscure cruiserweights like Tajiri and Jerry Lynn that popped up in the 'E', were only interested in the cruiserweight title.

How often did you see Bubba Ray Dudley or Headbanger Trasher waltz into Vince's office demanding a WWE title match? Never, because they were strictly tag team guys, and they only cared about tag team gold.

10 years later, and it seems as though in the mid-card, no one but the tag champions gives a shit about their own titles. Miz has shown more interest in being the US champion than anyone else has in the last year.... mainly because he's the only one to be given a mic, and when do you ever hear any of the Divas actually talk about striving to become the champion? Never, because they're too busy playing out typical stereotypes about females instead of focusing on getting us interested in the 'wrestling' portion of world wrestling entertainment.

Just a promo every now and then with challengers instead of the champions, would probably do wonders for the mid-card titles and actually remind the audience that there is a point to them being there.

I see Miz talking a lot about being US champ, and then suddenly some GM will come in and say, 'ok, you're defending the belt against MVP........... (again!)' and then do they bother to go talk to MVP? A man who's had like 5 or 6 US title shots and lost them all? Don't you think he may be fired up or have loads of passion about possibly becoming the US champion again? Well, we'll never know because they never fuckin' ask do they?

The champions are being made to make the belts look important when it should be the other way round. Simply having talent show interest about having any sort of title reign will help the image of the mid-card belts. Having the champions try to convince us that there is in fact a division that cares out there in the back somewhere, obviously doesn't.
 
Great thread , for me to add prestige to any title you should put them with people that arent like Colin delany or rey rey, im not saying there weak but i canttake rey rey serouisly as a champ in a division with kane morrison and y2j, They should be champs one more thing make the intercontinental championship more prestige before world championship it was second most prestige title.
as for your idea its not a good idea the u.s championship is raw and ic is SD if they were Unified then for sure
 
It is hard not to agree with The Mark of Zur-En-Arrh...many good points.

My problem with the midcard titles is that there is no real passion associated with them anymore. I remember Ricky Steamboat clutching the IC strap after WM III, Razor and Shawn battling with the ladder(s) for the coveted gold, Kurt Angle bragging about being the Euro-Continental champion. The emphasis is not on these straps anymore...and it is sad because they used to mean something.

Miz is bringing a passion back to the US title. But a "fella" like Drew McIntyre is the IC champ and only talks about how he is the chosen one to one day be world champ. He doesn't care about the IC title or the history behind it.

As much as it pains me to say this and it will contradict some of my previous posts...you have to put the title on somebody that will act like they will care...like...Matt Hardy (UGHHH). Or Evan Borne. Or anyone else that will be enthusiastic with the belt.

If a champ talks about the US or IC title like they are big deals, then the viewers will come to see them as big deals.
 
Good points.

By adding the flexibility to show up on any show will add to the enthusiasm of wanting to win these titles, thus giving them more prestige. Also, by letting the champs show up on both shows the belts gain more exposure and competition for the champion.

I REALLY don't think unifying them is good idea... Intercontinental and US titles have a great history to them and their respective divisions just need a little more time in the spotlight to be relevant again. Having both of the titles on both shows would do that. If Drew was to show up on Raw and Smackdown that would give him AND the title more exposure... same thing with the Miz and it would mix up the competition. Think of seeing matches like Miz vs Mysterio for the U.S. Title or Drew vs Ted DiBiase Jr. for the IC title. The options would be endless.
 
I totally agree

it seems like even now the million dollar belt which REALLY means nothing seems more important than the US or IC because Dibiase has been talking about it, lol

and btw that backstage promo where truth said dibiase wanted a virgil was awesome lol
 
I think I know where ur coming from but I think the only way to make the mid card titles have more meaning is to unify them and have them deffended on both shows, I however dont like the brand seperation, never have, never will. I think having ur company divided in half, especially with seperate championships on each show, devalues the talent and the championships. I think all championships should be unified.
 
I think a rivalry between THE MIZ nd JoMo could be the one that people will be pulling off for....THE MIZ nd Morrison never faced each other for single championships...it wud be a gr8 Box office nd also raise the value for the U.S championship...proper storyline cud end up making THE miz nd JoMo...the stone cold nd the shawn michaels of the current generation....
As far as the IC title is concerned superstars like kane and matt hardy need to hold that championship to raise its prestige....McIntyre is good but you need top card superstars 2 hold it....
nd bringing back the million $ championship took me by surprise as that championship was unsanctioned...nd the segment between DiBiase nd truth was done well nd a rivalry between them can be fun 2 watch...nd also superstars like bourne,truth,DiBiase,MVP nd even zack ryder can been given a reign or 2 for the million $ championship as a push towards the ME
 
The best way to make the midcard titles more legitimate is to actually write storylines that make them matter. Remember during the attitude era when EVERYONE on the roster had something to do and it was not just focused soley around the World Title? People actually gave a damn about who the IC champion was because they would probably fall in line for a title shot somewhere down the line. The Rock/HHH feuded for the IC strap and people cared. And correct me if I am wrong, they also had Undertaker and Austin fighting for control of the then WWF title.

In recent memory no one who has held these titles has become a serious contender anytime soon following their reign as champ. Kofi, JoMo, MVP just to name a few. These belts are just there to hold some TV time.

At some point the writers need to step up and quit slingshotting the title onto some new guy that people could give a damn less about. It's never about someone hunting the US or IC title to use it as a stepping stone anymore. It's about "we will give him this belt and let him talk about how he deserves better things until we take it off him."
 
good thread. lots of good points brought up here.

i'm also not a fan of the brand separation. it has made for some good television but it has also made for a lot of bad things to happen.

unify the belts. less is more. one world title with lots of guys in the hunt is a good thing. competition is always good. and with MITB and Royal Rumble and if we got back to King of the Ring as a title shot, there are plenty of opportunities for guys to get a break.

one mid-card title, the IC belt. and besides having it talked about more by both the champ and the challenger, actually have it defended more. seriously, do these titles even get laid on the line at pay per views any more or not so much?

same with the Tag Titles. now they're unified. great! so let's get some teams that only care about the Tag Titles and fight for them on tv and on pay per view. get some feuds going and get some exposure.

all one brand but with three shows; Raw, Smackdown and Nxt. let Smackdown continue what happened on Raw and let Nxt be its own thing with rookies and pros. the splitting of the brands and belts literally cuts the possibilities of feuds and matches in half. put them all back together again!

to summarize: how to make midcard titles more legitimate, or any title for that matter? exposure! get the champ and the challengers to care about the belt, talk about the belt and fight for the belt. get us to care by having wrestlers that care for each belt respectively.
 
I agree with what everyone here is saying (and loved the promo with Ted and R-Truth as well..."You want another Virgil.." was fantastic.

The main difference between when the IC and US title meant something and now is that back in the day there were talented performers who's whole GOAL was to win the IC or US belt (been mentioned by others here as well).

I think in the past the roster was always segmented and it worked better (and was also more exciting when you occasionaly had that cross-over between levels...if you know what I mean).

You had the main guys going after the WWE Title, then the mid-carders going after the IC and US belts and you had Tag Teams vying for those belts. It really isn't that tough.

Look at the rosters now. You have the WWE title on Raw and the compeition for that should be between Cena, Orton, Edge, Jericho, HHH, Sheamus and Batista (until he leaves). You have the man with the strap feuding with one or two at a time and the others feuding between each other trying to get in to the title picture.

For the US title you have Miz, R-Truth, Morrison, Dibiase Jr., Rhodes, and probably Bourne.

On Smackdown you have the WHC with Swagger, Undertaker, CM Punk, and maybe the Big Show. Not as deep as Raw, but still muliple people to feud with.

For the IC it is more interesintg. We have McIntyre, Ziggler, Christian, Kofi, Hardy, and I would include Mysterio to give it that sense of prestige, since he is the biggest name of the bunch. Adds credibility. You could even start the storyline between Christian or Rey and Drew as "You have had the IC belt for a while and don't even care...look at who has held it in the past...you don't deserve it...etc".

For the Tag Belts they really need to make tag-teams that stay together. Throw Ezekial Jackson and Shad together and you have a team that would just beat the crap out of people and would be a perfect heel team. Give Gallows a partner (the guy that keeps running in would be a good bet) and now the SES has a tag-team to go after those belts. Also, there are some interesting options on NXT to make into a tag team (Slater and Gabriel for one).

Also with a few of the NXT guys looking to be in line for mid-card type pushes (Bryan, Otunga, Barrett) that would allow for other mixing and matching.

Bottom line is that they need to stop making it seem like you are either going for the WHC or WWE Title or you are not involved at all.
 
One easy step you could take is to actually have them defended. Neither the US or IC titles were defended at Wrestlemania or Extreme Rules. Hopefully, this will change with the Miz losing the tag titles and both RAW & Smackdown getting more mid-card competition through the draft. The Miz could feud with R-Truth or Morrison, and McIntyre could feud with Kofi Kingston or Christian. I think a Chtistian/McIntyre feud would be really good actually. Cody Rhodes was drafted to Smackdown in the supplemental draft, so you could throw him in the mix as well.
 
Evolution RKO just hit the nail on the head. In order to establish the mid-card titles, there has to be a division of sorts.

The mid-carders should be proclaiming that there goal (at that time) is to win the US/IC title and make sure that it means something. Have someone like Kofi, Rey or Christian talk about the prestige that the IC title has had over the years and how they want to bring that back. (I know Rey did it when the History of the IC Title DVD was about to come out but it seemed very lackluster). One of the three wins the title and has a decent reign with it to the point where the mid-carders from both shows are trying to dethrone them. Instant prestige.

You could even tie in the Miz, who would be holding the U.S. Title. (*crosses fingers*) Have him proclaim that everyone is afraid of him and they're running to that "other show" because they think they have a better chance trying to become the caliber of champion that he is. There's the possibility of some really good matches coming out of that.
 
Evolution RKO is completely right, except he only had 4 ppl in the WHC picture I say push christian there, he deserves it and is good enough and pushing him to the main event could lead to some great fueds, Randy Orton Christian would make me think of Stone Cold Rock, then Edge Vs Christian would be interesting.
 
the splitting of the brands and belts literally cuts the possibilities of feuds and matches in half. put them all back together again!

to summarize: how to make midcard titles more legitimate, or any title for that matter? exposure! get the champ and the challengers to care about the belt, talk about the belt and fight for the belt. get us to care by having wrestlers that care for each belt respectively.

Agree with your summary, however I feel differently about merging all the belts. Yes, the split does limit feuds, but so will a merge. Do you think guys like CM Punk, Swagger of even Jeff Hardy would've had a shot at the top belts if it was for the E having two different belts?

How do you make the singles midcard champ situation work if he's bouncing between brands? It was simple with the tag belts because there really wasn't that many tag teams. How would the feuds work with the amount of midcard talent that the E now has? Example, Drew is feuding with Kofi on Smackdown, comes to Raw and is feuding with Miz who wants more gold, who gets a title match at the upcoming ppv w/o the other challenger crying foul? There's only so many triple-threat matches that the fans can tolerate.
 
There are a lot of good points made..

Superstars simply don't talk about them as being great belts anymore.. the Miz hasn't defended his in how long? The IC has a bit more esteem but again all they talk about is it being a stepping stone.

If they came out like say the Rock did when he was IC champion, mentioned how they are the best, how because they hold it it's the most prestigious belt, etc.. it would put a lot more stock in them.

Then having 2 complicates it.. there is plenty of competition now on SD with the draft but the US title is going to have very little time IMO.
 
One easy step you could take is to actually have them defended. Neither the US or IC titles were defended at Wrestlemania or Extreme Rules. Hopefully, this will change with the Miz losing the tag titles and both RAW & Smackdown getting more mid-card competition through the draft. The Miz could feud with R-Truth or Morrison, and McIntyre could feud with Kofi Kingston or Christian. I think a Chtistian/McIntyre feud would be really good actually. Cody Rhodes was drafted to Smackdown in the supplemental draft, so you could throw him in the mix as well.

Fantastic freaking point!!!

When's the last time you actually saw a title match for either the US or IC belts? And as it's been stated before, when's the last time you even heard McIntyre mention the IC strap?

I don't know about unifying the belts since there are a lot of midcarders on both RAW and Smackdown and it seems the writers have enough problems making storylines with two championships to compete for as it is.

I would definetly say that with the Draft being over, its time to start pushing some stars like JoMo, Kingston, Christian, etc. into the semi-main event/main event picture.
 
What they are doing now with drew and miz, they've held the titles for quite a time now, we havent really seen that in wwe for a long time, since hardy held it last, the ic and us back in the 90's were just behind the world titles of wcw and wwe, we used to have long reigns, title changes only at ppv's, thats what we need now, they need to take it back to the 90's, maybe even 80's.

i think they have started that up again, do i see miz and drew as world champions in the future, of course i do..
 

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