How much longer

[aliasv2]

This is my first created post so bare with me guys.

Anyways, we all know the Ryder Revolution is a fullblown hit (Yes its a Zack Ryder post)

And after not seeing him wrestle(I mean entertain) on raw last night, how much longer will the WWE wait until he is on RAW wrestling(entertaining)

I read a report that We want ryder chants were breaking out, he had the biggest pop there, yet no match.

So my question is how much longer do you think the WWE creative will hold him back, I'm sure if he was given the ball he would would run miles with it and be a huge success

 

[longlivetheBrood]

They may be trying to figure out exactly what to do with him since the wrestling (entertainment) fanbase is so fickle. Remember a few years ago when everybody couldn't get enough of that new up-and-coming rookie that was full of "ruthless aggression" (John Cena)? Or the "we want Y2J back" internet crusade that fizzled and resulted in him not getting any reaction just 6 months after returning? Its a tricky proposition, pushing somebody just because its what fans want this month, which is maybe one reason why WWE appears to not care about what we want.
Who knows, just a thought.

 

[aliasv2]

Very true, It's just hard to understand why, after all Zack is hugely popular at the moment. Maybe it will be a few more cameo's and a few more jobs then maybe he might start making a regular appearence. No doubt the IWC will get sick of him when creative shove him down our throats. But I say cash in on the popularity now

 

[HBKeith]

Honestly? I don't think he will ever get a serious run. I think it's one big middle finger from Vince to the IWC. The man deserves a shot, but I don't think he will ever get one b/c he has gained his popularity from social networks/wrestling forums etc. Total BS IMO...I mean...why give the customer what they want? Vince has always loved embarrassing talent, and I was surprised he didn't have Ryder job/kiss his ass last night in front of his hometown.

 

[Mustang Sally]

...after all Zack is hugely popular at the moment.

Is he? Or is Zack Ryder just making a lot of noise that is somehow convincing a lot of people that he's hugely popular?

It would be interesting to know what WWE thinks of his efforts at self-promotion. At first glance, it seems like the kind of thing they would order stopped, if for no other reason than the company wouldn't relish the idea of all their lower-card superstars (read: jobbers) publicizing themselves in an effort to build notoriety.

Maybe I'm just not seeing it. What is the basis for the popularity you folks are talking about? Is there something beyond the noise Zack is making himself?

Enlighten me, please.

 

[akrassikauda]

Your right about fans being fickle. When Ryder was split from Hawkins nobody cared, the guy got a horrible gimmick but those tights were awesome.

Ryder is doing something the best in the business have done. They put themselves over. But putting yourself over is not enough you need creative and the fans to help you get over and that is the problem. For those who watch Ryder we get it he's trying and poking fun at WWE at the same time. Hence some of Ryders antics on his show like taking a green crayon and "drawing money" or trying to climb a fence but "can't get over" and my fave a buddy pushies him and it's "don't push me bro, I don't get pushed".

The biggest problem creative has is on his show he comes off as a face but on Superstars he's a heel.

The crowd should have chanted we want Ryder during the live broadcast that would have got creative's attention. They can take away the signs but they can't censor non vulgar speech.

Side note: For a split second I thought it was Ryders dad (JoMo stalker) who attacked Jomo backstage. Hey they were in LI

 

[aliasv2]

I honestly think he is popular because he is reaching out to his fanbase, Interacts with us on a daily/weekly basis. And he is doing something that many top former superstars have done. And that is to grab the spotlight not just sit there calmly and wait for it.

Zack is doing his utmost best to be noticed, and I cant blame him for being agitated at times by poking fun, I mean wouldnt you?

 

[martymcfly]

I just looked at the main raw page in this forum, and there are three threads devoted to ryder alone.

Personally, I don't care much about him, and I hate to say it, but it's because the WWE has not given me a reason to care. I have not seen his web videos that people on this forum rave about, and to be honest, I would not even know that they existed if I didn't read posts on this site where people have mentioned them.

I certainly applaud what ryder is doing, and I hope it works for him, but I think it's a little premature to base his popularity on what a few folks on this site say, since I'd be willing to bet that the majority of WWE fans don't even know about his web videos.

 

[steveom07]

Jack Ryders show gets approx 100, 000 veiws per week. WWE Raw gets approx 8 million veiwers per week worldwide (UK source www.barb.co.uk).

Doesnt take a genius to work out thats 1.25% of the WWE audience that give a shit about Jack Ryder.

Jack Ryder getting a massive pop last night wasnt because he was popular, in terms of being a top superstar, but because he is from Long Island.

His match on Raw last week was decent, but the crowd was dead, I swear I heard crikets. There was no pop what so ever. If he comes out next week to a big pop ill hold my hands up and say he's popular

 

[laddclan]

Jack Ryders show gets approx 100, 000 veiws per week. WWE Raw gets approx 8 million veiwers per week worldwide (UK source www.barb.co.uk).

Doesnt take a genius to work out thats 1.25% of the WWE audience that give a shit about Jack Ryder.

Now that you've compared apples to oranges, let's do a little apples to apples comparison.

WWE Superstars uploaded to YouTube on June 9th as of this moment has 11,462 views. Zack Ryder didn't wrestle on the June 9th program. The previous week, 23,990 views. Ryder did wrestle.

Z True Long Island Story uploaded on YouTube on the same day: 91, 692 views.


Zack Ryder has roughly 17,000+ unique subscribers on YouTube, followers on Facebook.

17,000 different individuals subscribe to at least one of his accounts.

That is a "sellout crowd" in many arenas around the United States.

Following your logic, 98.75% of the WWE love watching the Divas wrestle every week because they tune into Raw, which always features a Divas match.

Of course, I don't think anyone believes that, and Raw is a package deal, you get the good, the bad and the ugly with that product.

I think what everyone, including Zack Ryder is trying to point out, is why NOT put him on Raw? He can't be any worse than anyone that's currently coming out through the curtain. And what's the worst that happens? He doesn't take off after a month or two of trying, and you ship him back to Superstars.

Or you make him into Jack Swagger.

 

[Mr. Artistic guy]

1) He was wrestling (entertaining) on Raw just last week or the week before where he lost in a competitive match. He could have been Yoshi Tatsu on Smackdown jobbing to Jinder Mahal. Instead he got a competitive match on the bigger show. That's something to take from recent weeks.

2) Raw was in Long Island. Ryder was always going to get a good pop there.

So my question is how much longer do you think the WWE creative will hold him back, I'm sure if he was given the ball he would would run miles with it and be a huge success

There is no holding back going on here. What possible reason could the WWE have for 'holding back' a guy like Zack Ryder who, for all we know, has done nothing to piss of the corporate bigwigs backstage? See perhaps Ryder isn't quite as ready as all his bros like to believe. Perhaps he isn't being 'held back', more made ready for TV. Maybe he doesn't have what it takes quite yet.

It's easy to sit there and tell the WWE to push a guy. It's a different story being in the WWE first-hand and seeing his attributes and abilities up-close. People judge him based on a pre-recorded internet show which is less than 10 minutes long. From that you can draw the conclusion that he is funny, that is all. It's very difficult to say that what he shows us in his little show would get him over in a wrestling world.

People like to say that a certain guy should be pushed because they have an internet following. Little do they realize that once the push comes, said superstar may not be up to the challenge of competently performing in front of the WWE universe week-in and week-out. I'm afraid you just don't know this. Like I said, he had a competitive match the other week with one of the WWE's biggest superstars. They are testing the water. Be patient.

 

[Swamp D.]

He Sucks...... Period

 

[VinnieSunshine]

Honestly? I don't think he will ever get a serious run. I think it's one big middle finger from Vince to the IWC. The man deserves a shot, but I don't think he will ever get one b/c he has gained his popularity from social networks/wrestling forums etc. Total BS IMO...I mean...why give the customer what they want? Vince has always loved embarrassing talent, and I was surprised he didn't have Ryder job/kiss his ass last night in front of his hometown.

Vince doesn't care that the IWC think. Its a VERY small portion of wrestling fans.

To be honest I've never cared for Ryder. I see this reach out like Matt Hardy was doing before WWE gave him his last push. Ryder hasn't had the chance to shine because Vince and the other agents probably dont see anything in him. It would not surprise me if he is let go soon. If WWE hasn't done anything with him yet after having him around for so long...they probably wont.

 

[Captain Morgan Freeman]

At the end of the day WWE rarely put him on raw and yet his t-shirts(appartently) sell out all the time so if it aint broke dont fix it i guess is what vince thinks.

I agree with prince iaukea though they may be waiting for him to develop more. I'd rather see WWE take their time and give him an angle that works for him rather then rush through with something that doesn't suit him and fizzles out after a few weeks.

Personally i would have put him on smackdown by swapping him with Alex Riley and given him a five minute slot every week like what cody rhodes had with his fashion tips a few months back. Let him show his funny side on smackdown and build up popularity with the wrestling fans who arent familliar with his youtube videos. Raw is definatly too crowded with established stars at the moment for Ryder to get any room to shine.

 

[LegendK1ller]

Doesn't it say on the main page that Ryder got the best ovation of the night? He topped every other wrestler. So, why would WWE fuck this up?

 

[JBK2008]

The guy is busting his butt to get a shot and Vince won't pull the trigger? Fine whatever you want Vince. I'd personally cash in while the iron is hot. Heels shouldn't get cheered for and Ryder's gimmick warrants heel status but he's cheered...so what. The fans want him and in some capacity every week it should be done.

No title run for now, but make him somewhat relevant and get him on the screen Vince!

 

[xoxo French Kiss xoxo]

Ryder is entertaining don't get me wrong. He's also doing an awesome job at selling merchandise via his youtube show. His shirts sell out on a regular basis, and I bet if the WWE had WWWYKI headbands those would sell out as well. Ryder could be a great middle carder with a decent push. The WWE needs to turn him face. If the kids love Ryder, Ryder would get over. Kids eat up those Cena wrist and headbands, they used to eat up the Hardy merchandise, and they eat up the Mysterio and Sin Cara masks. With the right push he could get over big time, but I just don't see it happening

 

[Dream Machine]

while no one disagrees that Ryder got the loudest ovation last night, no one wants to mention that the reason was because it was his hometown. This is no different then Raw being in Chicago and Punk getting the loudest ovation or St. Louis and Orton getting the loudest ovation.

You are making more out of this then there really is. Truthfully, I would have been stunned if he went to Raw and didn't get a loud ovation.

Personally, if Ryder was as popular and as over as the IWC thinks, then why did the "We Want Ryder" chants start during the commercial break and end at the end of the commercial break and never get any momentum on Raw when it was actually on television.

 

[CMZombie]

If you promote Ryder, who are you dropping from the card to let him in?

 

[RD_21]

Vince doesn't care that the IWC think. Its a VERY small portion of wrestling fans.

To be honest I've never cared for Ryder. I see this reach out like Matt Hardy was doing before WWE gave him his last push. Ryder hasn't had the chance to shine because Vince and the other agents probably dont see anything in him. It would not surprise me if he is let go soon. If WWE hasn't done anything with him yet after having him around for so long...they probably wont.

You see, that and the "He suck period" or "I hate him" or other comments like that makes me angry.

Personnally I think we should all root for him even if we don't like him because it's our opportunity to be heard whether you like the guy or not, even more after the Christian incident who can't get over as a heel and outpop Orton when the show is live. Some people are getting tired being told who and what they should root for and want to think they have an input on the product and that's the perfect example.

Letting Ryder off the show in Long Island is just dumb and it was clearly WWE being scared of the pop he may get that night in Long Island. What if it works, we will be stuck with an Internet sensation. The WWE was scared to put him on TV, come on it's a 3 hour show try to tell me that they couldn't squeeze him in a match this week when we see Sheamus vs Santino... REALLY? Does anyone still care about Sheamus or Santino? I mean the only thing sheamus had going for him was that he was scary white, now that novelty is gone and people don't care about him, at least I know I don't.

They were scared to put Ryder on the show because it might have work.

 

[Crispo]

Ok let me clarify here, I'm the person who reported the off air notes. Let me get a couple things out there.

1) Ryder was NOT always loved on Long Island, in fact, this time last year, when Fatal 4 Way was at Nassau Coliseum, Ryder was in the dark match and got booed to oblivion, even more after cutting a heel promo. Last night was actually the first time ive seen him get cheered on long island.

2) I was mistaken as my fiancee pointed out to me, I had missed a few "We want Ryder" chants, while hitting concession stand and the restroom. The chants were going all night, I apologize for that mistake, as when I got home it was 1245 and I had been up since 7 that morning and was tired.

Ryder's chants during his Superstars match was deafening, I dont know how it will come out on the youtube edit, but it was easily thr loudest chant of the night.

Random note, I forgot about Sin Cara's pyro and since I was so close, it surprised the crap out of me and I dropped my $6 popcorn ; ; and yay first post

 

[xoxo French Kiss xoxo]

If you promote Ryder, who are you dropping from the card to let him in?

Swagger - he does nothing, yes he's good in the ring, but he's not good at anything else, its hard to even see how he was WHC last year at this time

Bourne - he's in the same place as Swagger lost in the middle card shuffle on Raw

Santino - yes he's funny as hell, he's also over, but he's been doing the same thing for the past 2 years

McIntyre - Its only a matter of time before we see "good luck in your future endeavors"

Kingston - I don't care if he's champ, he blows the quicker this spot monkey is gone the better

Ryder wrestles on Superstars week end and week out, and he's got more momentum then all of the people Ive listed. He just needs pushed. Swagger and McIntyre have been given plenty of chances. Kingston will soon have more IC title reigns than Jericho at the rate he's going. No one can honestly say they care about McIntyre and make it believable. Santino is funny, but we need to push credible stars, not comedians

 

[RD_21]

while no one disagrees that Ryder got the loudest ovation last night, no one wants to mention that the reason was because it was his hometown. This is no different then Raw being in Chicago and Punk getting the loudest ovation or St. Louis and Orton getting the loudest ovation.

You are making more out of this then there really is. Truthfully, I would have been stunned if he went to Raw and didn't get a loud ovation.

Personally, if Ryder was as popular and as over as the IWC thinks, then why did the "We Want Ryder" chants start during the commercial break and end at the end of the commercial break and never get any momentum on Raw when it was actually on television.

Sorry but if you get the Brooklyn Brawler out in New-York he won't be getting the biggest ovation of the night. Sure it was his hometown (or at least the one of his character, is he really from there?) but if you put an unknown jobber out there even if he is from the home town he wouldn't get the biggest ovation. So it's a little of both. He is getting more popularity and he was in his hometown but one doesn't work without the other.

 

[chetdawg]

I believe its a whole combination of things as to why he doesn't/didn't get a bone from WWE yet (other than the non title US title match, and im afraid to even think of what his friend DZ had to do to get him that match). He didn't even get his usual fist pump with John Cena this week. I really really think WWE just has no idea how to handle this, as they are barely credible with handling regular day to day tasks, let alone a brand new fad. I am not above the thought that Vince purposely buried him last night in hopes of killing the revolution, and i wouldn't be shocked if Zack is released soon.

 

[Dream Machine]

Sorry but if you get the Brooklyn Brawler out in New-York he won't be getting the biggest ovation of the night. Sure it was his hometown (or at least the one of his character, is he really from there?) but if you put an unknown jobber out there even if he is from the home town he wouldn't get the biggest ovation. So it's a little of both. He is getting more popularity and he was in his hometown but one doesn't work without the other.

I agree with you, but it is not implausible to say that in NYC that Brawler gets a better reaction then he would if he was in Portloand Oregon regardless of status in the company.

How many times have you seen a wrestler go aganist a jobber that just coincidentally comes from the same town that they are promoting in. Does the hometown reaction make the jobber more popular then he really is or is it because people cheer louder for the hometown person because of the idea that someone from "our town" made it and wqe choose to acknowledge that in louder cheers than he would normally get.