How Do You Think Kurt Angle Feels About Working High School Gyms?

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I really wonder about that. Kurt Angle has teased leaving TNA a lot of times, but they never were touring high schools. Do you think he feels small league and will finally want to jump ship?

I just saw a picture and saw that they didn't even fill up the high school live event. It's kinda sad. Sting LIKES being small-league, so I don't think he'll ever jump, but Angle doesn't seem like the kind of guy who gets complacent.

So anyone else want to take a crack at shamelessly guessing what's going through Angle's mind?
 
I can't even believe that this is a thread but here we go..

To someone like Kurt Angle he has accomplished everything in the wrestling business except for receiving the WWE Hall of Fame. It's a know fact that the schedule is lighter in TNA which is favorable to guys like Sting and Kurt Angle.

I honestly believe that Kurt staying in TNA is because he's trying to help elevate a company and younger guys while remaining a top star in the company. Plus whether it's in a High School Gym or Cowboy Stadium at the end of the day he's getting a paycheck and a pretty decent salary
 
I can't even believe that this is a thread but here we go..

To someone like Kurt Angle he has accomplished everything in the wrestling business except for receiving the WWE Hall of Fame. It's a know fact that the schedule is lighter in TNA which is favorable to guys like Sting and Kurt Angle.

I honestly believe that Kurt staying in TNA is because he's trying to help elevate a company and younger guys while remaining a top star in the company. Plus whether it's in a High School Gym or Cowboy Stadium at the end of the day he's getting a paycheck and a pretty decent salary

I like your points and it's an interesting conversation. Frankly, I don't get why you have to attack the existence of the thread and then follow it up with some pretty decent points that prove the conversation is worth having.

I get that Angle wants to elevate a smaller company, but that was his goal 8 years ago. He's officially spent more time in TNA than he has in WWE and TNA has only gotten more small-time. He wasn't wrestling in high school gyms in 2007, that's for sure.

I'm sure he's happy about his limited schedule and his paycheck, but WWE could top both of them. Look at how RVD works for 90 days and then disappears. If they went out of their way to please RVD imagine what they would do for Kurt.

When asked whether he would return to WWE, Kurt mentioned on Twitter that his contract is up in 8 months. I'm guessing that's more of a power play for negotiations, but it's still an interesting reply. He might be unhappy to end his career on such a small stage.
 
Oh please, TNA is not going to any High School Gyms so clear you're a hater''.

From what I can find they ran a show at a high school gym both January 3rd and January 6th.

That's from a TNA site (not their official one) that had links to buy tickets for the events from the official TNA site.

As far as Angle goes I'm sure he doesn't care at this point. He's probably more focused on his drinking issue that he's trying to take care of and his family.

Even if he did the 90 days on 90 days off thing that RVD did that's still a lot more travel in those 90 days with WWE than what he would do with TNA.

I wouldn't doubt there is a little piece of him that would like to go out on top but if that doesn't happen he can still look back on a great career. There's really nothing left for him to accomplish and him ending his career in TNA wouldn't diminish his career in any way. He'll still go out as one of the best of his era.
 
If Angle wants to go back to the WWE, and I'm sure that it'll happen at some point... he will. The schedule won't be an issue whatsoever. If Angle doesn't want to go on the road, then I'm sure they'd work out a schedule like Lesner's or the one HBK had where he doesn't have to. A guy with Angle's pedigree would be able to call his shots pretty well.
 
If Angle wants to go back to the WWE, and I'm sure that it'll happen at some point... he will. The schedule won't be an issue whatsoever. If Angle doesn't want to go on the road, then I'm sure they'd work out a schedule like Lesner's or the one HBK had where he doesn't have to. A guy with Angle's pedigree would be able to call his shots pretty well.

You don't think there's any residual bad blood after he left them high and dry in 07?? They did make nice with Brock so I guess anything's possible, but Brock didn't lie to them like Kurt did. Brock straight up said he was quitting because he hated it, Kurt said he needed to rehab an injury and spend time with his family and then jumped ship the following month.
 
I see Kurt Angle returning to WWE once his contract is up. Not so much because TNA has fallen so much the last year than because I don't see Dixie wanting to continue to write the huge checks.

Also, I'm sure Angle has seen all of these part times coming in to WWE and it has intrigued him. At this point in his career I'm very sure WWE would give him a contract similar to that of Jericho/RVD/Batista/Taker.
 
You don't think there's any residual bad blood after he left them high and dry in 07?? They did make nice with Brock so I guess anything's possible, but Brock didn't lie to them like Kurt did. Brock straight up said he was quitting because he hated it, Kurt said he needed to rehab an injury and spend time with his family and then jumped ship the following month.

No I don't think there is. Part of the reason why Angle left in the first place was because Vince wanted him working every house show, and Angle didn't think he could do it anymore with the condition he was in. He wasn't ready to retire for good though, so TNA was the obvious alternative for him.

Now from what I've read, apparently a couple years back when his last TNA contract expired, he did try contacting the WWE about a comeback, but that was right when he'd received his 4th DUI, and the WWE wouldn't even return his calls back then. I'd imagine that if they still didn't want him, that would be the reason why. A company like the WWE isn't going to risk having any employee, let alone a high profile one like Angle causing them negative publicity like that.

From the sounds of things though, Angle's been doing very well in his recovery, and as long as they feel confident in that, they'd take him back. Vince McMahon has shown an incredible knack in the past for letting bygones be bygones when it comes to business, and has given people who've done far worse to him than Angle ever did second, third and fourth chances.

Plus Angle's a draw. Don't ever underestimate that.
 
It's a TNA house show. It's drawing the same number as any other house show has done.

It's a small attendance, yes. But just what's the point of "mocking" it when we know their televised events draw larger audience? Especially their upcoming UK tour.

To me the only thing I think is going through Kurt's mind, besides "must not drink alcohol", is that it's business as usual.
 
It's a TNA house show. It's drawing the same number as any other house show has done.

It's a small attendance, yes. But just what's the point of "mocking" it when we know their televised events draw larger audience? Especially their upcoming UK tour.

To me the only thing I think is going through Kurt's mind, besides "must not drink alcohol", is that it's business as usual.

No offense, but the most recent high school show, in a place that could hold 2,000 and was heavily promoted... drew 500 people.

If that's the same numbers any other house show does, and it's just business as usual... then Angle's probably also thinking that's damn depressing.

Plus, let's keep in mind too that there is a small time stigma of even running shows in a high school gym. Granted, they're running pretty big high school gyms... but it is still a high school gym... just like the smaller independent's do. It's not the type of thing that guys who know they could still be headlining arena shows particularly enjoy.
 
No offense, but the most recent high school show, in a place that could hold 2,000 and was heavily promoted... drew 500 people.

If that's the same numbers any other house show does, and it's just business as usual... then Angle's probably also thinking that's damn depressing.

Plus, let's keep in mind too that there is a small time stigma of even running shows in a high school gym. Granted, they're running pretty big high school gyms... but it is still a high school gym... just like the smaller independent's do. It's not the type of thing that guys who know they could still be headlining arena shows particularly enjoy.

Look around. It's certainly not the first time TNA draws a 500 attendance. This time of course, it's in a smaller place. Meaning less money to rent it. They know they can do more. And they do so in televised events.
 
to me if its something you truly love, you will do it in front of however many will watch.he has been at the tippy top of the profession and i believe he enjoys wherever his career takes him. I cant help but think of Panteras lead, Phil Anselmo, he stepped back into the club scene and that was at the pinnacle of the Pantera machine. maybe not a good example, but that is what it reminds me of. i believe Angle will be back with the E, and finishing out a truly respectful and entertaining career as one of the best.
 
Kurt feels employed. How many wrestlers don't work in a high school gym or two at some point in their career? It's nothing to be ashamed of.

This is an interesting way to draw attention to TNA's house show situation, but when I look across TNA's roster I don't see anybody who's too good or too "Hollywood" to work in a gym. If anything it'll keep any potentially inflated egos grounded. It's good to work in a gym every now and then.
 
In 37 years of watching pro wrestling, no one has impressed me more than Kurt Angle.

I think if he could get the schedule he wants, he would jump at returning to WWE. The only problem I see with that is that he should become the World Champ, and his preferred schedule probably wouldn't allow that to happen.

He has though proven that he is happy to put over other wrestlers. (Remember his match with Amazing Red back in 2010?) He could give a boost to some of the mid card guys who can actually wrestle like Tyson Kidd or Antonio Cesaro.

And a feud with Swagger would be epic if booked right.

High schools? I dunno. Angle has wrestling in his blood and just loves to put on the best damn show he can.
 
I don't think it should really matters to any of the guys that they're working in a high school gym. Most of them have been there at some point in their careers as a wrestler and will probably go back to that regularly in the future. A guy like Kurt Angle has made a lot of money and can go back to WWE any time he wants to. WWE has had to go put on shows in high school gyms before, hell they even taped an episode of RAW in one. People never mention the hardships WWE has faced in the past. Times might be tough but they can always get better.
 
Have you seen the size and quality of these new high school gyms a.k.a. event centers? Some of them are pretty amazing. If the show pulled 500 audience members that is right on par with a typical TNA live event so no big deal.

I would like to point out WWE Super Stars put on bullshit performances in school gyms every week. It is called the “Be A Star” program.

As for Kurt returning to the E. The wrestling business is a dirty industry where individuals shit on one another all the time. However if there is big money to be made then all is usually forgiven. His contract is up later this year and I suspect he will be a returning performer during the WM XXXI season.
 
Look around. It's certainly not the first time TNA draws a 500 attendance. This time of course, it's in a smaller place. Meaning less money to rent it. They know they can do more. And they do so in televised events.

Yeah I did look around, and you're right... it's not the first time TNA draws a crowd that low. Not sure why you're just brushing that off like it's nothing though.

Also I don't know that they know that they can do more... and I wouldn't use TV as an example, because their TV numbers aren't usually anything special (2000-3000 on average), and TV is always going to draw more than a house show.

The fact that they're moving to places like high school gyms because of smaller capacities and lower rents... would be an indication that they realize they can't do better, so instead they're looking right now to minimize their losses on house shows. Otherwise, if they know they can do more than those 500 tickets, they'd do it.

Keep in mind too, for the show I mentioned, reports are they did promote it properly in the town they ran in, and had a good main event to help with that draw (Sting vs Magnus)... so they tried to do better and fill that place. They just simply couldn't. It's sad for the #2 company in the country.
 
High School Gyms, Boys Clubs, CYCs have long been homes to professional wrestling... even high profile promotions like *Gasp* the WWF

Just to name a few:

WWF @ Shamokin, PA - High School - March 26, 1993
WWF @ Wilton, CT - High School Fieldhouse - August 15, 1993 (800)
WWF @ Norwalk, CT - High School - October 24, 1993
WWF Wrestling Challenge Taping @ Carbondale, PA - High School - November 9, 1993
WWF @ Port Chervis, NY - High School - January 6, 1994
WWF @ Middletown, NY - High School - January 24, 1994
WWF @ Pittsburgh, PA - Mt. Pleasent High School - January 29, 1994 (charity show) (1,100)
WWF @ Meriden, CT - Platt High School - February 20, 1994
WWF @ Groton, CT - Grasso Technical High School - August 21, 1994

How does Kurt feel about it? Probably the same way Razor, Diesel, Michaels, Bret, Yoko felt about it in the 90's...like it was part of the business
 
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I'm sure he would like to be in bigger venues but as long as he's getting paid, I don't think he can really complain that much.

It's not glamorous but they got to make money.

It truly speaks for the condition the company is in right now though.
 
You don't think there's any residual bad blood after he left them high and dry in 07?? They did make nice with Brock so I guess anything's possible, but Brock didn't lie to them like Kurt did. Brock straight up said he was quitting because he hated it, Kurt said he needed to rehab an injury and spend time with his family and then jumped ship the following month.

Kurt Angle left WWE in 2006, not 2007. Kurt Angle was also released from WWE due to his drug issues at the time. He did not walk out on the company as you have suggested.
 
I truly believe, and I have always believed, that Kurt Angle will return to WWE for one final run before finally hanging up the boots and retiring. I don't say that as a slight against TNA in any way whatsoever, and I don't think that has anything to do with TNA being in high schools or suffering in the ratings or anything else like that. I feel that Kurt Angle came to TNA truly believing that he would be a difference maker and that he would elevate TNA significantly and be a big part of making them true direct competition to the big leagues. When it became apparent that this would never be the case, I felt then and there that at some point, he would return for a limited run in WWE in some capacity.

No one in the world not named Goldberg has an ego the size of Kurt Angle. That being said, he is going to want to go out with all the pomp and pageantry that frankly he deserves. He is going to want the financial windfall that a Lesnar-esque run will earn him. He is going to want induction into the WWE Hall of Fame. He is going to want to face some of the elite competitors that he either hasn't faced before, or hasn't faced for quite some time. And he is going to want to re-establish himself as truly one of the best ever, one of the elite competitors of his era, which he simply cannot do in TNA, especially in its current state.

It has nothing to do with "burning bridges" in the past. All parties involved will look beyond all of that if the dollars are in alignment. Lesnar, Warrior, Sable, RVD, Hogan, the list goes on and on of guys who have had significant problems with Vince and the WWE, and vice versa, who returned for mutual benefit. I have no doubt that Randy Savage, had he not prematurely passed, would have eventually mended fences with Vince and been inducted into the Hall of Fame as well. If Kurt Angle's contract expired, or if they let him out early, and Vincent Kennedy McMahon came calling with cheque book in hand, offering Angle a shot at the Undertaker at Wrestlemania, or a title shot, or winning the Royal Rumble, all parties involved, especially Angle, would be tripping over themselves to put it in action.

Sure, I've heard all of of Angle's pro-TNA rhetoric, and I fully believe what he says and that he truly believes what he says. I have no doubt that he has truly enjoyed his TNA tenure, that he is very appreciative of all they have allowed him to do, and that he really wishes he could have brought TNA to the heights his ego felt he would have. But at the end of the day, it's all about the Benjamins, the prestige, the legacy, etc., and I believe when all is said and done, it will be too enticing for Angle to pass up. He will be back, you can count on it, for a reduced schedule like has become commonplace for other guys. And he won't be alone. Especially if TNA is not able to right the ship and reboot their product, and soon.
 
The schedule won't be an issue whatsoever. If Angle doesn't want to go on the road, then I'm sure they'd work out a schedule like Lesner's or the one HBK had where he doesn't have to.

In the recent past, Vince McMahon's unbending insistence that anyone working for WWE follow a full-time schedule might have cost him the services of a few top flight performers. Now, it's all changed after concessions were made to people like Mark Calaway, Brock Lesnar and Rob Van Dam.

Once that door was opened, Kurt Angle was eligible to walk through it a few years ago when his TNA contract expired.....but didn't. Given the way he was medicating himself to work WWE's rugged schedule, it makes sense he left for TNA's less demanding schedule, although I hardly felt that way at the time.

But now, Vince McMahon probably looks at guys like Angle and Sting and realizes it's better to have their services at a reduced work rate than to not have them at all.

From what I've read of his own comments, Kurt Angle sees himself as a wrestling legend. If that's the case, I would think he'd feel that wrestling in high school gyms and state armories isn't worthy of him, although he couldn't admit it out loud without going back on the negative statements he made about WWE years ago.

I don't think he's a pro wrestling immortal but, ironically, might have become one had he remained in WWE. Still, he's surely a big enough name to warrant one of the "favorable" contracts McMahon seems amenable to giving out today.

Don't wait to see if TNA folds or not, Kurt. If it does, you'll have less bargaining power with WWE.

Make the move.
 

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