Hey, TNA marks...

[ZeroVX]

Dude, it's TNA. I thought it went without saying that kayfabe wasn't important to them.

Yeah, but I'm pretty sure it's the first time Hogan actively said "fuck kayfabe" in TNA.

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First few seconds of the video.

 

[Coco]

Not to mention the fact that Jarrett, after years of being in the pro-wrestling business, is now a master of MMA and gets his own horrifically boring segment that takes television time away from tons of more important aspects of the show.

That segment was superb. Jarrett is pretty much the only reason I record iMPACT on a weekly basis at this point.

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

No I said that was the only place I could see week to week in the immortal storyline and that there was a reason for it. Since they have become immortal everyone has been continuing conflicts that developed a while ago. How that spells week to week I have no idea. You have still yet to provide an example of what is week to week. Can you at least explain this because it is anything but obvious IMO.

If you can't understand it by now, you never will. Arguing with you is like bashing my head against a brick wall, over and over again. It's painful and pointless.

Another cop out. Shocking? Not so much.

Calling you an idiot isn't a cop-out. You've clearly proven this to be true time and time again in this very thread.

I think they have had him as the planned lead for sure for a couple of months before hand and as one of a possible few before that. There is a clear and coherent story from the whole f'in show to bfg in my opinion. Originally I think they wanted to do something with RVD but that was scrapped months ago.

Possible, but that doesn't mean they aren't erratic as hell over there. Morgan and Williams already out of Fourtune? I don't think Fourtune ever needed more than AJ, Beer Money and Kaz, but changing shit around that quickly is an example of chaotic booking. And please tell me you don't believe Fourtune was apart of the Immortal plan the entire time?

So the guys in nexus never fought eachother during nxt? Constant battle is an overstatement and you know it. There were one or two incidents and one that was a fake out kayfabe. Hardly the end all.

The guys in Nexus also never acted as though the invasion of Raw was a plant from the start! Hogan has said several times this "master plan" has been planned since his arrival, and we all know that's bullshit.

Your definition of beating the hell out of one another is funny as hell.

Your idea of a good wrestling show is even funnier.

Whether you agree or disagree about the motives, given the history, there is a clear story that is at least feasible and they stuck to it.

Stuck to it? By already losing two members of the group? You honestly believe that was part of the master plan? I hope not.

That was many months before BFG. People act like a bad angle was never dropped in wrestling before.

I don't really care that it was dropped, but it is a hole in the plot whether you like it or not.

Actually the last of these supposed incidents took place over a month before BFG. Hardly week to week even if I bought into them. The whole tournament, that everyone bitched about lasting for MONTHS, had no planned end in your scenario. That is simply ridiculous.

NOTHING in TNA has a long-range, planned-out scenario. Nothing. And even when something is planned long-term, it seems to be scrapped before it can happen (an example being the Samoa Joe kidnapping, that you keep insisting we should just forget about).

Actually if you take out blind, idiot, stupid and because I said so you have no ground to stand on. This idea that all I do is say wwe did it and nothing else is ******ed.

You just pointed out Nexus, once again, when this thread is clearly about TNA. You're proving my point for me.

How the hell can this be only saying wwe did it? Anyone who only sees that here is legit blind.

Debating with you is a tough job. Not because you're good at it, but due to the fact you are as erratic as TNA's booking.

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

That segment was superb. Jarrett is pretty much the only reason I record iMPACT on a weekly basis at this point.

I also enjoyed this segment. Jarrett was rather entertaining last night.

 

[DirtyJosé]

Yeah, but I'm pretty sure it's the first time Hogan actively said "fuck kayfabe" in TNA.

A bit more heavy handed than I thought it'd be, but I'm still not surprised. Wasn't he also going off about "All shoot, brother" or something like that?

 

[The Doctor]

Yeah, but I'm pretty sure it's the first time Hogan actively said "fuck kayfabe" in TNA.

[YOUTUBE]YLmLpaapZyg[/YOUTUBE]

First few seconds of the video.

Oh hey there late-WCW, sup?

 

[ZeroVX]

A bit more heavy handed than I thought it'd be, but I'm still not surprised. Wasn't he also going off about "All shoot, brother" or something like that?

Ayup, because worked shoots are all the rage, brother!

 

[DirtyJosé]

Keep this under wraps, boys. Don't let the marks know that we're on to them.

 

[shattered dreams]

And please tell me you don't believe Fourtune was apart of the Immortal plan the entire time?

More than week to week yes. Since whole f'in show at the least.

Stuck to it? By already losing two members of the group? You honestly believe that was part of the master plan? I hope not.

WTF does losing members of fortune after BFG have to do with the flair-hogan dynamic leading up to it? Should have just skipped this one and wrote idiot or whatever you did for the ones you didn't know how to answer.

I don't really care that it was dropped, but it is a hole in the plot whether you like it or not.

A plot hole from 6 months before BFG does not prove week to week booking. Not sure how I am not admitting it when I am the one saying they dropped it.

You just pointed out Nexus, once again, when this thread is clearly about TNA. You're proving my point for me.

OMG I talked about nexus the world is over. Do you not see the wool? You bitch about Morgan and Doug williams changing after BFG but conveniently overlook Daniel Bryan the next week? The point of bringing up nexus or any other angle of this type in history is that the things you are claiming kill it clearly do not always do that. Bischoff got choke slammed off the stage. How did that nonsensical twist work out? Sure was a ratings killer. OMG he brought up WCW! Every long running story has its issues, nexus, they, immortal, nWo you name it. If you want to break it down incessantly they all fall apart as does pretty much every other prowrestling story. Immortal is no worse than any before it.

The week to week thing is bullshit and you know it. You can have your opinion about how much sense things make but you look dumb overstating your points. Making sense, believability and long-term planning are all different things and the first two are obviously subjective.

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

More than week to week yes. Since whole f'in show at the least.



WTF does losing members of fortune after BFG have to do with the flair-hogan dynamic leading up to it? Should have just skipped this one and wrote idiot or whatever you did for the ones you didn't know how to answer.



A plot hole from 6 months before BFG does not prove week to week booking. Not sure how I am not admitting it when I am the one saying they dropped it.



OMG I talked about nexus the world is over. Do you not see the wool? You bitch about Morgan and Doug williams changing after BFG but conveniently overlook Daniel Bryan the next week? The point of bringing up nexus or any other angle of this type in history is that the things you are claiming kill it clearly do not always do that. Bischoff got choke slammed off the stage. How did that nonsensical twist work out? Sure was a ratings killer. OMG he brought up WCW! Every long running story has its issues, nexus, they, immortal, nWo you name it. If you want to break it down incessantly they all fall apart as does pretty much every other prowrestling story. Immortal is no worse than any before it.

The week to week thing is bullshit and you know it. You can have your opinion about how much sense things make but you look dumb overstating your points. Making sense, believability and long-term planning are all different things and the first two are obviously subjective.

^^That would probably be less painful than continuing this debate with you.

 

[X]

Impact was fucking terrible. I shake my head. I simply shake my head.

 

[PsychoBlack]

I forgot to mention how bad the Hardy vs Raven match was. Heres how it went, Raven kicks Hardy's ass. All of a sudden twist of fate, Swanton it's over. WTF!!! You have two guys out there who can at least have an OK match and we go that?

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

I forgot to mention how bad the Hardy vs Raven match was. Heres how it went, Raven kicks Hardy's ass. All of a sudden twist of fate, Swanton it's over. WTF!!! You have two guys out there who can at least have an OK match and we go that?

I'm impressed someone has this much faith in Raven, here in 2010. I think Raven was moving pretty slow out there, and looked like a hobo.

 

[Alastor]

Impact was enjoyable for me because I watch it with the same expectation I have for NXT s3. Mickie and Angelina match was fun and the casket match was fun until the ending.

 

[Hulk Hogan's Brother]

That's not a shock. There really isn't much depth to you at all, is there. You are so marky and predictable. "Cena no sold an RKO"? Don't use smark terms that you have no understanding of. A Cena heel turn is pretty damn predictable at this point. I'd be more surprised to see him get out of this with his job and his face rep.

Dude you call me marky when you do not get a thing of what I have written. I want Cena to finish this Nexus angle as a face. Do you even read my posts or I guess you don't have enough brains to comprehend it?

And yes Cena no sold the RKO. Almost everyone here has agreed to it. Whether the no sell actually mattered or not is another thing.

I hope this is not the way you debate or else you suck.

 

[shattered dreams]

^^That would probably be less painful than continuing this debate with you.

I am pretty sure that could only upgrade your IQ. You have some screws loose. Critical thinking doesn't hurt most people.

 

[LitasRevenge79]

the more disturbing part is especially the fact when you realize hulk and bischoff's bathroom fetish when seeing Abyss and Lacey's constant trips in there with a camera person in there at ALL times...pretty weird stuff...

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

I am pretty sure that could only upgrade your IQ. You have some screws loose. Critical thinking doesn't hurt most people.

Yeah, I'm sure YOU can upgrade another persons IQ. I'm pretty sure I could wipe the floor with you in just about any subject related to wrestling (as I did all day yesterday).

 

[DirtyJosé]

Dude you call me marky when you do not get a thing of what I have written. I want Cena to finish this Nexus angle as a face. Do you even read my posts or I guess you don't have enough brains to comprehend it?

Your post was:

I actually want Cena to turn after this storyline is over. It'll be a much bigger shock to the fans that way.

Where in there does it say face? Nowhere, that's where! You lose.

And yes Cena no sold the RKO. Almost everyone here has agreed to it. Whether the no sell actually mattered or not is another thing.

I must have missed that, because (as KB pointed out already) I don't think laying out for 2 mins is "no selling".

I hope this is not the way you debate or else you suck.

Lulz. Good luck getting people to care about your non-spam, dude. I save the good debating for good debaters. The rest of the schmucks like you get only slag.

 

[shattered dreams]

Yeah, I'm sure YOU can upgrade another persons IQ. I'm pretty sure I could wipe the floor with you in just about any subject related to wrestling (as I did all day yesterday).

I didn't say anything about me doing it, I said you hitting your head against a brick wall would be an improvement. Ah yes, the D-man proclamation, claiming you had such an awesome debate without actually ever doing anything to prove it, like say sticking to the topic instead of dodging stuff you can't answer with lame personal attacks.

 

[Coco]

Out of doors misses you all.

 

[Hulk Hogan's Brother]

Your post was:



Where in there does it say face? Nowhere, that's where! You lose.



I must have missed that, because (as KB pointed out already) I don't think laying out for 2 mins is "no selling".

No dude I said that Cena should turn heel after he is finished with Nexus. In some other storyline. That way it will be a much bigger shock because people will think that now that he did not turn heel in this storyline he will never turn heel. That is what I meant. So sorry but you LOSE. BIG TIME.

Just look at my OP "I actually want Cena to turn after this storyline is over. It'll be a much bigger shock to the fans that way. "

What does after this storyline mean dude?

And to be honest it did not even look like Cena laid for 2 minutes. I'll have to clock that to see if its true. And KB is not the gospel of wrestling

 

[One Punch Doug Crashin]

No dude I said that Cena should turn heel after he is finished with Nexus. In some other storyline. That way it will be a much bigger shock because people will think that now that he did not turn heel in this storyline he will never turn heel. That is what I meant. So sorry but you LOSE. BIG TIME.

Just look at my OP "I actually want Cena to turn after this storyline is over. It'll be a much bigger shock to the fans that way. "

What does after this storyline mean dude?

And to be honest it did not even look like Cena laid for 2 minutes. I'll have to clock that to see if its true. And KB is not the gospel of wrestling

Maybe not but he's pretty damn knowledgeable

 

[DirtyJosé]

No dude I said that Cena should turn heel after he is finished with Nexus. In some other storyline. That way it will be a much bigger shock because people will think that now that he did not turn heel in this storyline he will never turn heel. That is what I meant. So sorry but you LOSE. BIG TIME.

Not my fault if you can't explain yourself properly.

Just look at my OP "I actually want Cena to turn after this storyline is over. It'll be a much bigger shock to the fans that way. "

What does after this storyline mean dude?

Means you want Cena to leave this storyline as a heel. Or at least looks that way. Why not have said "I don't want Cena to turn now, I think he should turn after this is finished"? Or how about "I think Cena should stay face through all of this, only to turn heel later once he's destroyed The Nexus"? Of course, properly explaining yourself would be too easy.

And to be honest it did not even look like Cena laid for 2 minutes. I'll have to clock that to see if its true. And KB is not the gospel of wrestling

But you were the one who tried to shush me by saying "almost everyone" agreed with you when I tend to take KB's opinion as slightly more valid than "almost everyone".

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

I didn't say anything about me doing it, I said you hitting your head against a brick wall would be an improvement. Ah yes, the D-man proclamation, claiming you had such an awesome debate without actually ever doing anything to prove it, like say sticking to the topic instead of dodging stuff you can't answer with lame personal attacks.

Coming from the guy who can't talk about TNA for 10 seconds without bringing up WWE. You are a walking, talking, shit-spewing contradiction.