Here's Your Winner and NEW UNITED STATES CHAMPION!

[Notorious718]

Cool, I guess. I totally forgot Swagger was even the US Champ until he dropped the title to Santino. I'm quite curious where Santino will go now. It seems that John Laurinaitis wan't happy about Santino winning the title and once he's back in control of Raw next week, I'm sure we'll see him doing something about it. At the very least, we'll see the US title on the show every week since Santino is on television every week. I'm just glad Swagger isn't champ anymore because he was doing absolutely nothing with it.

 

[Honkey_Kong]

Santino getting the strap was just ******ed. What purpose other than a cheap pop does him getting the US title fulfill? There was no build for the belt, and he's a joke. Thus making the US title even more of a joke than it already is.

Now you guys saying Santino deserves the US belt, no he doesn't. Nobody deserves championships in a sport where the outcomes are pre-determined. The only thing he deserves is the paycheque he gets. The titles are supposed to be props for stories with the top guys in their respective divisions. Is Santino a top midcarder? No, he's a comedy jobber.

 

[WhatAboutRaven]

First thing first, santino will bring meaning back to that title just as Cody did for the IC title.

You mean the IC title he hasn't defended in I don't know how long? Yeah, really bringing back meaning there. But that's for a different thread and a different time

as for the topic at hand, I'm not sure how I feel. On the one hand, I'm honestly glad they are doing something with Santino. I mean yeah, the guy is a comedy character, and it's easy to write that person off as a nothing (as some have done just for that reason) But he's also one of the more over superstars they have at this moment, and as it was well deserved. I'll admit, that while I'm not Santino's biggest supporter, honestly he can't be any worse then Swagger right now

Did Swagger even have a title defense before this? Honestly I can't remember...show's how good of a champion he is, I fear

Hint: Not a good one. and I'm actually a fan of Swagger...but I'm also a ADR fan, so that says a bit more about me I think. MOVING ON Swagger is forgettable. He's been nothing more than an afterthought ever since his WWECW title run, and it's a damn shame because he could be something, but he's as bland as dirt. he's the same as Ziggler in my eyes...which is why I support teaming them up? Who's it gonna hurt?

 

[TheHeartbreakPunk]

I personally love santino. I get the fact that his character is used for comedy, and not much else, but is not that bad in the ring. He rarely messes up, he sells his moves, and hes been at this thing for years now. Its time that he gets moved up a bit. I dont know where this storyline is going, but im glad that he is champion

 

[lunarseed]

I think every post on this forum should be prefaced by some sort of reminder that it doesn't matter how good of an in-ring performer you are. It's your ability TO SELL MERCH. You sell merch, you'll be in the title picture. You don't, you won't. End of story.

That being said, does swagger even HAVE merch?

 

[The Crock]

I love it. The title was pretty much fading into irrelevancy with Jack Swagger as champion, maybe Santino can re-invigorate the title? Look, it's not going to be the most prestigious championship, but if we can see Santino defending it, it'll be better than Swagger holding it. Santino's really over with the crowd, he's really good at what he does, and I just don't see any reason he shouldn't have this championship. It'll be entertaining and that's really what it's all about, isn't it? It's simple, if Santino can make the championship mean something, by whatever means he prefers, then this move will have been a success.

People love to overreact about how much of a travesty things like this are, but I don't see it that well. Hell, this is a pretty safe move, all things considered. People will eat up Santino as champion, just like they've been eating him up on a week to week basis for years now. Did anybody see the reactions Santino got in the Elimination Chamber? People were ready and willing to accept him as the World Heavyweight Champion, much less the United States Champion. Santino is a great fit for this championship, especially with what it has been since Jack Swagger became the champion.

The title change will, in all likelihood, be a way to add more fuel to the fire between Long and Laurinaitis. It was obvious by just looking at the match last night. That being said, I don't think Santino will drop the belt back to Swagger any time soon. Swagger's very physically gifted, but he's just not very good. Even from a storyline standpoint, I can see Santino pulling out a few miraculous victories with all the odds stacked against him, much to Johnny Ace's chagrin. It's a great move and an easy way to drive a few different storylines forward.

 

[scomvp316]

This is a disgrace to such talenst as Luger,Windham,Dusty,and Flair. This is the type of "entertainment" crap that has turned loyal WWE fans away to the UFC. Which is worst Santio as US Champ or Arquette as WHC?

 

[WhatAboutRaven]

Which is worst Santio as US Champ or Arquette as WHC?

..This is a joke right? You have no idea how much I hope this was sarcasm, I can't even really put into words why you would write that question out even if it was a joke.

"Oh, a shitty actor winning the world title of our company."

"Oh, an actual competitor winning a title in the company he works for"

/should go on before I give myself an aneurysm trying to figure out what on earth made you think that was a good and fair comparison

also, Hornswoggle as Crusierweight champion is by far worse than any title run Santino could ever have. I'm just sayin'

 

[Arsenal]

I love it. The title was pretty much fading into irrelevancy with Jack Swagger as champion, maybe Santino can re-invigorate the title? Look, it's not going to be the most prestigious championship, but if we can see Santino defending it, it'll be better than Swagger holding it. Santino's really over with the crowd, he's really good at what he does, and I just don't see any reason he shouldn't have this championship. It'll be entertaining and that's really what it's all about, isn't it? It's simple, if Santino can make the championship mean something, by whatever means he prefers, then this move will have been a success.

People love to overreact about how much of a travesty things like this are, but I don't see it that well. Hell, this is a pretty safe move, all things considered. People will eat up Santino as champion, just like they've been eating him up on a week to week basis for years now. Did anybody see the reactions Santino got in the Elimination Chamber? People were ready and willing to accept him as the World Heavyweight Champion, much less the United States Champion. Santino is a great fit for this championship, especially with what it has been since Jack Swagger became the champion.

The title change will, in all likelihood, be a way to add more fuel to the fire between Long and Laurinaitis. It was obvious by just looking at the match last night. That being said, I don't think Santino will drop the belt back to Swagger any time soon. Swagger's very physically gifted, but he's just not very good. Even from a storyline standpoint, I can see Santino pulling out a few miraculous victories with all the odds stacked against him, much to Johnny Ace's chagrin. It's a great move and an easy way to drive a few different storylines forward.

The title was fading into irrelevancy because he didn't have even 1 title defense before facing Santino. How is the title supposed to be relevant when it's never defended? I'm not saying it's a mistake to put the title on Santino, but it's a joke to blame Swagger for anything when he was never booked to defend the title. The blame, as usual, falls on "Creative".

 

[WhatAboutRaven]

but santino's reign comes in at a very close second.

THE FUCK IT DOES.

Alright, look. I honestly don't care if someone likes Santino or dislikes Santino, personal opinions, different tastes, blah blah blah. But to say Santino's (who's an actual wrestler, btw) winning the US title comes anywhere close to fucking David Arquette's "winning" WCW's wold title is a fucking joke. Especially since I can name several others who have won titles that are fucking worse than Santino.

I mean bret hart won the us title for like a god damned day. But no, Santino is clearly the worst thing to ever happen to the US title. I gotcha

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

It hink that those of you who think this is a shame for Swagger don't understand the modern context. NOBODY believes it's legit. It's all about characters. Listen to the reaction. People LOVE santino. Swagger is okay, but he's fairly bland. santino is exciting and over. Plus it's not like santino's in ring skills are seen as horrible. He's actually really good and had a great run at EC. He's a cinderella story, and everyone loves that.

The AustinHartLesnarAngleIthinkIunderstandtechncialprowrestlingbuthaveneverbeentrainedsowhatdoIknowIcouldn'texplaincrowdpsychologyifIhadamanualandjustbuyintowhoevertheytellmeisagreattechnicianandfollowalloftheoldIWCtrends guy is a prime example of someone who doesn't get it. Santino is OVER. Massively fucking over. The crowd EXPLODED when he won. That's pretty much all you need to know. A pro wrestler's job is to get over and to be safe in the ring. Santino does both. More people will watch a Santino match and more people will care about a Santino match than a Jack Swagger match. Also, if you love technical wrestling so much, you should love Santino. Most guys say he's damn good. In fact, they compared him to Angle when he first came in.

 

[Suibon]

The title was fading into irrelevancy because he didn't have even 1 title defense before facing Santino. How is the title supposed to be relevant when it's never defended? I'm not saying it's a mistake to put the title on Santino, but it's a joke to blame Swagger for anything when he was never booked to defend the title. The blame, as usual, falls on "Creative".

There are many ways in which a titleholder can be relevant even if he doesn't defend it, or defends it sparingly. I mean, look at Cody Rhodes - he beat Zeke Jackson for it, then defended it against Booker T: two title defenses in the one of the longest title reigns in recent memory. And yet he's over.

Of course Cody has been in more non-IC title matches than Swagger, but at least Cody really has improved since Legacy disbanded. What about Swagger? Giving him a world title reign, a mascot, a top-notch heel magnet and a rising young star, even a US title run - eh, didn't work, still could not get over.

It's not creative's fault Swagger couldn't get over; they've done everything they can AND he still isn't relevant.
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[Mustang Sally]

I love it. The title was pretty much fading into irrelevancy with Jack Swagger as champion, maybe Santino can re-invigorate the title?

Well, that's a thought. As I see it, Santino gets pops, but they're clown pops (which sounds like a breakfast cereal). I never would have thought they'd be hanging a championship on a guy whose forte in the ring is acting like a jerk.

On the other hand, if Santino can get people talking about the U.S. title again by being himself and carrying the title belt as if it mattered, all the power to him. Personally, I don't see this as a way to bring prestige back to the belt, but maybe Santino knows something the rest of us don't.

 

[Suibon]

As far as I know, Sally (and forgive me if I'm wrong), Santino's second IC title run (featuring the Honk-A-Meter, Glamarella, and the duo of Pasquale and Francesco) was mighty fun. I'm not sure if it could be counted as 'relevant', but what the heck, he was over as a comedy heel.

Maybe it's my marking for Santino, but I'm hedging towards him knowing something the rest of us don't.
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[SD619]

Well, that's a thought. As I see it, Santino gets pops, but they're clown pops (which sounds like a breakfast cereal). I never would have thought they'd be hanging a championship on a guy whose forte in the ring is acting like a jerk.

At the end of the day, it is the US title. Ever since Ryder was "pushed" by Kane, the title is more irrelevant than the Divas title.

I don't really care about Santino winning the title as it is most likely just a part of the bigger Long-Laurinitis feud. Santino will probably drop the title before or soon after Wrestlemania.

 

[Superyoda]

I think this victory for santino is them testing the waters to see if he can start wrestling full matches and stay relevant

What is lost in all of this is the fact that swagger looks worse than ever considering he is a former world champ

 

[WhatAboutRaven]

I think this victory for santino is them testing the waters to see if he can start wrestling full matches and stay relevant

What is lost in all of this is the fact that swagger looks worse than ever considering he is a former world champ

I'm sorry, but I just don't see how losing to a former two time IC champion and former tag champion makes Swagger look bad.

surely his inability to get over does more damage than Santino

 

[King Patrick Star]

I’m happy about this Title change.

I think it’s time to bring back the Honk-A-Meter. This time, let’s call it the Lex-A-Meter and have him try to beat the longest single reign record of 523 Days held by Luger during his 3rd US Title run. “Lex Luger held the Title for 75 weeks. Santino so far, 1 weeks!!”

Now is a great chance for Santino to turn Heel, form a Stable with Sheamus, Wade Barrett, Drew McIntyre, William Regal, and for $#!+s and giggles, Mason Ryan named United Europe, and bring back the European Championship.

All kidding aside, I just hope Santino doesn’t lose the Title in less than a month.

 

[Hulk Hogan's Brother]

I am not really sure how long the title reign might be. If anything, it might be over by this Friday when John Lauranitis is booking Smackdown and the US title might end up being used as a prop in this Lauranitis/ Long warfare. Either way, I'm fine with Santino winning the title. All the talk of Swagger looking bad is bullshit. I mean he lost to a fucking roll up and was on the offense for the majority of the match. Santino's was a fluke victory and one which gave the fans something to cheer about while at the same time hurting no one. If Santino has a lengthy title reign, then the heel that takes the title from him will get some great heat from the fans. Solid boking here.

 

[Dmbfantomas]

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I'm guessing he said McIntyre because he has the ability to watch things and see how they are obviously panning out... Long fired McIntyre, but Laurinaitis is running Smackdown this week. If Laurinaitis really wanted to do something to piss of TLo, it absolutely makes perfect sense. At the very least he could re-hire him to the Raw brand and let him job there. Rumor has it he's in for a gimmick change though, so...

Unless I misread it, he put Drew on Teddy's team. That's what made absolutely no sense to me, that Teddy would put a hump like Drew on his team. It's not like JL gets to pick Teddy's team, so how would Drew end up on the team for Teddy's control? Teddy can't stand Drew, why would he risk his job on someone who can't win?

 

[Xemmy]

Jack needs to get revamped somehow. But I don't mind one bit having Santino as the United States Champion. He's over. He's entertaining. Let him have some gold. I don't see anyone having a serious feud with Santino- but then again, it's Wrestlemania time, and they haven't been building up anything for the title anyway. And if it's played right, maybe after Mania, Jack can get some real heat against him.