I suppose ive been a fan 10-12 years now of the wwe and have seen it all but ive got to say this current brand split while in one way i understand it - i just dont see how it works Cena red Orton Blue what it means is that for the next year we are guaranteed that either one or both are going to be invovled in the main ppv events. Ive read all the comments about the young talent being buried - well my friends its going to happen now on both shows and all ppv's . I mean look poor old christian given the title for 48hours . This is a classic example as why in my opinion there should only be one main title
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While you see a bleak path for the younger talent, I see opportunity. Cena and Orton will have opponents to defend their titles to, which creates unlimited opportunities for the younger talent that you claim are being buried. Anyone who steps up to Orton will gain a huge rub, and with Cena's association with The Rock, his future fueds can only propel his opponents further.
Look at where the Miz is now because of his title rivalries with both Orton and Cena. This is a great move by WWE to introduce the next batch of main-eventers.
Look at where the Miz is now because of his title rivalries with both Orton and Cena. This is a great move by WWE to introduce the next batch of main-eventers.
It'sMyYard
Dark Match Winner
unfortunately, it isn't just for TV purposes. Road schedule, running costs, locations are all factors... It was originally because the purchase of ECW and WCW meant there was way too much talent on one show. Though i have to agree, I'd like to see it end.
Tors Hall Rule
Straight Hedge(HOG)
Bahahaha.. Self-Contradiction at its best...
Would you kindly remind us when was the last time both Randy and John held the belt and then how they lost it and the title run of the guy they lost it to.. I agree that Christian is a travesty, but it allows Christian to go on the heel run and win it for a longer duration.. You people bash too much..
Also unifying the title.. That would mean that Orton and Cena would be in constant hunt if not together.. Then people are gonna cry and bitch even more.. Trust me, with PPV rates and product down, its better to have your two best men hold the fort rather than some newbies.. And Edge has just left.. Who has a better star profile to replace him as the top guy.. And kindly tell me, there are people that say that belts are nothing but props.. ROWDY PIPER NEVER WON A SINGLE CHAMPIONSHIP IN WWE... NOT CURT HENNING.. NOT JAKE THE SNAKE... Are their legacies tarnished?? Christian is a solid and respected performer... No one doubts that.. And I trust that he shall be champion once again.. But seriously you are just jumping the band wagon of "I AM AN IWC MEMBER!! I HATE WWE/TNA.. I KNOW BETTER THAN ALL THOSE FOOLS COMBINED".. Love to enjoy the product man...
Would you kindly remind us when was the last time both Randy and John held the belt and then how they lost it and the title run of the guy they lost it to.. I agree that Christian is a travesty, but it allows Christian to go on the heel run and win it for a longer duration.. You people bash too much..
Also unifying the title.. That would mean that Orton and Cena would be in constant hunt if not together.. Then people are gonna cry and bitch even more.. Trust me, with PPV rates and product down, its better to have your two best men hold the fort rather than some newbies.. And Edge has just left.. Who has a better star profile to replace him as the top guy.. And kindly tell me, there are people that say that belts are nothing but props.. ROWDY PIPER NEVER WON A SINGLE CHAMPIONSHIP IN WWE... NOT CURT HENNING.. NOT JAKE THE SNAKE... Are their legacies tarnished?? Christian is a solid and respected performer... No one doubts that.. And I trust that he shall be champion once again.. But seriously you are just jumping the band wagon of "I AM AN IWC MEMBER!! I HATE WWE/TNA.. I KNOW BETTER THAN ALL THOSE FOOLS COMBINED".. Love to enjoy the product man...
The brand extension is far for the problem, its the solution to WWE's reccuring overcrowding problem. The brands provide an alternative for the fans and two major titles rather than one help garner interest in those brands. Think of how much ratings oen brand would lose if the world title is on the other. Fans mainly tune in to see the champion, so its important that there be a champion to represent each respective brand. I would go as far to say that Superstars needs a title, since certain members of the roster arent going to be given the opportunity to go to a major brand anytime soon. As far as talent being buried I highly dissagree. Even when Orton and Cena were both on the same brand certain RAW susperstars like The Miz were able to make a name for themselves. As far as Christian goes he doesnt have the drawing ablility of guys like Orton and Sheamus who are on the same brand as him, so I dont think we should expect him in the world title hunt anytime soon. Hes not new talent by the way, hes had his opportunities and right now his job is to help promote the younger superstars. He was already doing that with Alberto Del Rio before his arm injury. Its the same thing Orton is going to do on SD. Hes going to find for himself what The Miz was for John Cena, a fresh face with lots to offer and a need to be pushed. Wether its Daniel Bryan, Alex Riley, or Sheamus we'll just have to wait, but its certainly not Christian.
LegendKiller716
I Had Sex With The
1 main title = less opportunity. I really think Orton should turn heel. If he does Raw and Smackdown can build main eventers in different ways.
Raw can have Cena have a huge run with a heel sneaking in and stealing the belt (ala Edge) and a new top heel is born.
Smackdown can have heel Orton with a long run and then build up a young face to finally overtake him (ala Cena) and we get that new top face.
IMO this would work better with Cena turning heel because I think there are better potential faces on Raw (Morrison, Swagger, Miz) and better heels on Smackdown (Christian, Barrett, Sheamus) but I think Orton is a better heel, and I have given up on Cena turning.
Raw can have Cena have a huge run with a heel sneaking in and stealing the belt (ala Edge) and a new top heel is born.
Smackdown can have heel Orton with a long run and then build up a young face to finally overtake him (ala Cena) and we get that new top face.
IMO this would work better with Cena turning heel because I think there are better potential faces on Raw (Morrison, Swagger, Miz) and better heels on Smackdown (Christian, Barrett, Sheamus) but I think Orton is a better heel, and I have given up on Cena turning.
I have no idea where to begin when it comes to picking this thread to pieces.
Firstly, you claim older veterains like John Cena (aged 34) and Randy Orton (aged 31) are stopping younger talent such as Christian (aged 37!) having a decent title run. I would love to say how stupid you have made yourself look here, but I don't want to make you feel any worse than you already must do.
Secondly, look at Miz or Sheamus. Would you have been able to take either of them seriously as champion if they had won the belt from McIntyre/JoMo/Daniels/Ziggler etc? No! They had to win the title off a genuine main event level star. WWE is short of people at that level right now, Cena and Orton are about the only two. If you want to make a new main event star then they have to prove themselves against proven main eventers so they can show they belong on the same level. Whoever takes the belt off either Cena or Orton looks a hell of a lot better, simply based on the person they had to beat to win the belt.
Firstly, you claim older veterains like John Cena (aged 34) and Randy Orton (aged 31) are stopping younger talent such as Christian (aged 37!) having a decent title run. I would love to say how stupid you have made yourself look here, but I don't want to make you feel any worse than you already must do.
Secondly, look at Miz or Sheamus. Would you have been able to take either of them seriously as champion if they had won the belt from McIntyre/JoMo/Daniels/Ziggler etc? No! They had to win the title off a genuine main event level star. WWE is short of people at that level right now, Cena and Orton are about the only two. If you want to make a new main event star then they have to prove themselves against proven main eventers so they can show they belong on the same level. Whoever takes the belt off either Cena or Orton looks a hell of a lot better, simply based on the person they had to beat to win the belt.
Ultra Awesome
Im standing in Brooklyn/
A number of people here are missing the point. Having Cena as the main face on Raw and Orton as the main face of Smackdown serves as the focal point to elevating the youth movement. How? Well, the simple fact that said wrestler will be facing Cena (or Orton) for the WWE title is enough to boost any amount of credibility that wrestler may have already had. In a sense, it's a way to put the younger guys over by having Raw and Smackdown focus on Cena and Orton on Raw and Smackdown. Cena and Orton have always been the top guys in the company -- WWE taking advantage of them being there to elevate the incoming stars into superstardom (i.e. main-event status) is ideal.
As far as Christian goes, however, yes, it was a shame that he only held the title for less than a week, but when you read the depressing news that was reported about how no one with any influence in the company "trusts" Christian to be the 'top star', you quickly realize how logical it was for WWE to take the belt off of him so quickly. Is it fair? Of course not; but that's just the way the ball rolls. Nothing anyone can do about it.
But anyways, I think it was a great idea to have Orton moved to Smackdown, and Cena staying as the top guy on Raw. The big powers have been distributed, and you have a better chance of getting more and more superstars over in their respective brands.
As far as Christian goes, however, yes, it was a shame that he only held the title for less than a week, but when you read the depressing news that was reported about how no one with any influence in the company "trusts" Christian to be the 'top star', you quickly realize how logical it was for WWE to take the belt off of him so quickly. Is it fair? Of course not; but that's just the way the ball rolls. Nothing anyone can do about it.
But anyways, I think it was a great idea to have Orton moved to Smackdown, and Cena staying as the top guy on Raw. The big powers have been distributed, and you have a better chance of getting more and more superstars over in their respective brands.
georgia wrestling 2
Dark Match Jobber
Interesting thoughts and opinions as always. I agree the brand extention was based on when they had the overflow of WCW ECW talent. It is not there any longer and I feel the time to unify the title might have come. I have never been the biggest fan of two world titles in the same organization anyway. I enjoyed having ALL the stars potentially showing up on both shows. I was kind of glad a former world champion won the US title recently in Sheamus. It would be great to build those titles back to some prestige again. SO many great matches were built around these titles and so many stars built from them. Nowadays when was the last significant match featuring these titles. These used to be stepping stones for World titles but now really an afterthought on most occasions. They unified the tag team belts because that was watered down still holding out some hope they'll try and combine some of these superstars and maybe build some from there too. Smackdown whether you like it or not is still second rate and so is the title I feel is the majority opinion. Case in point the opening match at Wrestlemania this year was a World Title match the Smackdown title. When I saw that I thought to myself the time may have come to unify these titles once and for all. Then maybe next year you can have a great opening match featuring a US or Intercontinental title. And maybe the World title match meaning more
I don't see how anyone can feel the younger talent are being buried.
If you wanna see younger talent being buried look at WCW 1998-2001.
Cena and Orton are the most over guys on the roster. They are both in their early 30's, still arguably in their prime, and consistently put on good matches. Having these guys as the top dogs of their respective brands is a no brainer.
While those guys are at the very top, the WWE is pushing a ton of new stars. Nearly everyone on the roster is a relatively new face. Cody Rhodes, Wade Barrett, Jack Swagger, The Miz, John Morrison, Daniel Bryan, Sheamus, Alberto Del Rio, Sin Cara, etc. These guys are all involved in major storylines, and featured prominently on TV each week.
The WWE is doing more to push new talent than at any other time in their history.
If you wanna see younger talent being buried look at WCW 1998-2001.
Cena and Orton are the most over guys on the roster. They are both in their early 30's, still arguably in their prime, and consistently put on good matches. Having these guys as the top dogs of their respective brands is a no brainer.
While those guys are at the very top, the WWE is pushing a ton of new stars. Nearly everyone on the roster is a relatively new face. Cody Rhodes, Wade Barrett, Jack Swagger, The Miz, John Morrison, Daniel Bryan, Sheamus, Alberto Del Rio, Sin Cara, etc. These guys are all involved in major storylines, and featured prominently on TV each week.
The WWE is doing more to push new talent than at any other time in their history.
steveh0481
Columbia's finest
The last two posts hit the mark perfectly... the youth is NOT getting held down.
While I love Christian, I quickly realized Orton is the future for Smackdown. He is the Cena of merchandise sales for Smackdown. It only makes sense to build the brand around him. While Christian is a great wrestler and is entertaining when given a chance, he is not the future. Just be happy that he got a title win on a PPV. I dont know how many guys would have loved to be in his spot.
As for the problem, I see it not as an issue of the youth not being pushed but lack of character development. I PARTIALLY blame this on creative for not developing storylines and building characters, but I GREATLY blame this on Vince McMahon for losing his mind. Creative can not actually be creative when their ideas get changed or reviewed last minute by Vince. My thoughts are that Vince needs to back away from this department. He simply does not have it anymore and his ideas, which I would venture to say is much of what we see, are horrid.
It will take time for characters to be built, but the WWE certainly has the talent to be successful. Charisma is a huge thing and its very hard to teach someone how to be charismatic. All of the big stars had it... Rock, HBK, Flair, Austin, Taker, Hogan, Y2J. I dont think there's one problem though with the WWE. Years of no competition has really created for lazy booking.
While I love Christian, I quickly realized Orton is the future for Smackdown. He is the Cena of merchandise sales for Smackdown. It only makes sense to build the brand around him. While Christian is a great wrestler and is entertaining when given a chance, he is not the future. Just be happy that he got a title win on a PPV. I dont know how many guys would have loved to be in his spot.
As for the problem, I see it not as an issue of the youth not being pushed but lack of character development. I PARTIALLY blame this on creative for not developing storylines and building characters, but I GREATLY blame this on Vince McMahon for losing his mind. Creative can not actually be creative when their ideas get changed or reviewed last minute by Vince. My thoughts are that Vince needs to back away from this department. He simply does not have it anymore and his ideas, which I would venture to say is much of what we see, are horrid.
It will take time for characters to be built, but the WWE certainly has the talent to be successful. Charisma is a huge thing and its very hard to teach someone how to be charismatic. All of the big stars had it... Rock, HBK, Flair, Austin, Taker, Hogan, Y2J. I dont think there's one problem though with the WWE. Years of no competition has really created for lazy booking.
Unfortunately, I'd say the odds are very very good. It's not even a matter of if, but when.
But it's not just because Vince and creative don't have any other ideas other than Super Cena and Super Orton, it's mostly due to the fact that WWE has no competition. Why is that a problem? Well, because it means the same wrestlers stay in the same company, doing the same things, with the same opponents year after year after year after....well, you get my point.
In the 90's, you constantly had guys jumping from one company to the next which meant new oppurtunites for everyone as well as lots and lots of character development. No one stayed the same for any longer than a year because everyone was constantly changing to keep up with the times.
If the WWE had major competition today, like a WCW, then guys like Batista and CM Punk would jump ship for more money and better oppurtunities. Even an Orton might jump ship if the offer was right and that would lead to WWE having to reinvent itself.
What made the 80's and 90's great was the competition between companies and wrestlers constantly switching sides. No one stayed in the same spot doing the same thing for very long.
But now it's Cena Orton every year. They have no where else to go and WWE has no one else to turn do. Not a good period for wrestling.
Widowmaker75
The Tailor-Made Redneck
Alot of the post on this subject have valid points; WWE creative not building good storylines, Vince not having someone with the balls to tell him something is a bad idea like Patterson and Briscoe did.
However, the one idea that a few people have brought is the lack of competition. I completely disagree with that statement. There are a few companies still around other then TNA, that could possibly offer some variety if they were able to find a broadcast company willing to carry them nationwide. The NWA is still around and ROH could make things interesting if given a real chance with an outlet where they could put their products out for more people to see. While it probably wouldn't make a difference in the WWE product at the beginning, perhaps with time, the combination of TNA, NWA and ROH could become bigger then they are and get people to jump from Vince's ship and cause WWE to re-invent their products again.
However, the one idea that a few people have brought is the lack of competition. I completely disagree with that statement. There are a few companies still around other then TNA, that could possibly offer some variety if they were able to find a broadcast company willing to carry them nationwide. The NWA is still around and ROH could make things interesting if given a real chance with an outlet where they could put their products out for more people to see. While it probably wouldn't make a difference in the WWE product at the beginning, perhaps with time, the combination of TNA, NWA and ROH could become bigger then they are and get people to jump from Vince's ship and cause WWE to re-invent their products again.
TheMaskedNewton
Occasional Pre-Show
In response to the guy that says John Cena and Randy Orton are younger than Christian, what the actual point is that they have been in the main event for so many years as compared to Christian and Christian is a new face in the title picture even if he has been there for longer than any of them and he is older in age. The term 'younger' is subjective....don't bring your children dictionary knowledge here, smarty.
Spidey Revivey
Porn is okay here long as it ain't dudes.
The OP was talking about how the young are getting (or about to get) buried. That's not the case if your two biggest names are younger than the contenders facing them, now is it? Christian has challenged for the WWE Championship before, at Vengeance 2005 I kid you not. Yes, he was a new face for the World Championship, but a new face to the wrestling community (or even the Main Event) he was not. It's not subjective if it's a fact...
As for the original discussion, no fresh talent isn't being buried. We watched a Tough Enough runner-up capture the big one. We saw a superstar debut and only a few months later win the fkn Royal Rumble. If anything WWE is going through a youth movement from HELL.
redeffect3
Dark Match Winner
You make it seem as if a new wrestler holding the title is the only way he will be main event status. Perfect example, Wade Barret when he lead the nexus, he chased the title and was the biggest heel in the WWE. He still to this day has not won the WWE or World Heavyweight Championship. it isnt all about holding the title, its about the chase as well
It doesn't matter with most of the IWC, when Sheamus got a push- complaints he was pushed to fast and he's HHH's buddy, Miz gets a push - he sucks and is just a reality TV star. Del Rio wins the rumble - he's overrated, and doesn't deserve it. Morrison gets a title shot - he can't cut a promo and he's a spot monkey. The point is, there's no winning, whoever gets pushed is either seen as an ass kisser or is called overrated. Two guys coming into their primes in Cena and Orton and get bashed for it. Guys will get pushes because they have to push SOMEBODY with the vets retiring. I don't understand why people can't relax and enjoy the show or change the channel. Honestly I've seen it worse in WWE back before the Attitude era where the company was in complete limbo. Its definitely not the best its ever been in the PG era, but it could also be far worse. I just think ppl just got spoiled.
mayankeagle
Pre-Show Stalwart
LoL, you've been a wrestling fan for only 10-12 years and think you've seen it all? Some of us have seen it for over 20 years and still don't think we've seen it all.
On what basis can you say that Orton and cena are burying younger talent? Christian is no way younger to any of them. In fact you can say that the new generation is burying older generation, which has to happen anyways because the old generation needs to be replaced by the new generation in the future.
While I agree that Orton needs to have the belt since he will be the main guy on Smackdown, the WWE could've let Christian hold on to the belt for a longer time (like the next PPV) and then passed it on to Orton. I don't understand the rush. Just after the Draft, this is too much to bear (a lot of changes). Instead they could've built an Orton/ Christian feud for a month or so and then given the belt to Orton.
On what basis can you say that Orton and cena are burying younger talent? Christian is no way younger to any of them. In fact you can say that the new generation is burying older generation, which has to happen anyways because the old generation needs to be replaced by the new generation in the future.
While I agree that Orton needs to have the belt since he will be the main guy on Smackdown, the WWE could've let Christian hold on to the belt for a longer time (like the next PPV) and then passed it on to Orton. I don't understand the rush. Just after the Draft, this is too much to bear (a lot of changes). Instead they could've built an Orton/ Christian feud for a month or so and then given the belt to Orton.
Jannetty4Life
Dark Match Jobber
As long as the wwe continues to push The Mizz they will be superb shape. As much of a clown as he is, you have to give him credit. The Mizz has his character of a heel down. He is also one of the few if not the only wrestler on the roster who can hang with The Rock on the mic. The futhure is truly bright and The Mizz is awesome.
Malenko316
Pre-Show Stalwart
Sometimes I seriously wonder if it's because the USA has better quality pot that people post some of things they do on here, or whether it's just because there are that many 30's in their momma's basement with WAY too much time on their hands.
Whichever it is, brand 'division' is not a problem. What maybe a problem, or is at least inexplicable, is the idea that the brand division means anything. It's not as if SD! concentrates on new talent, light heavyweights, technical wrestling or interesting women's matches, rather than following the same over-written, bad acted, white heavyweight male presentation evident on RAW. I'll admit until recently RAW contained more marquee names (especially faces) than SD and SD perhaps drew more Latino viewers, but the fact that those minor differences have now been evened out further illustrates why the reference to 'brand diversity' is merely demonstrating either a lack of understanding of the product or more likely, the term referenced.
Orton on SD merely takes over from Edge as the the established lead face, with a history of heel turns or tweener behaviour. Regardless of Randall had gone to SD, the lack of back stage support for Christian (understandable from a main event singles perspective) would have meant the WHC run would be short. Had ADR not earned the right to be on RAW taking on SuperCena, then Capt. Charisma wouldn't even had 5 days with the strap.
Whilst unifying the world titles would have had the effect of burying any growth in new talent, keeping the straps separate and likewise JC and RKO, does not guarantee that new talent will be anymore likely to get to the top. The new people to enter the title pictures have seldom been either new people or have it happen on the basis of pure talent. Christian is a vet and dropped the strap through backstage issues not ring work. Mizanin got the strap through bringing in mainstream media attention, something VKM craves to move away from the image of being a wrestling company. Seamus got the nod for being a gym rat and best mates with Levesque (and prospective 'monster heels' are also the most likely to get instant title pushes - a la Paul Wright, Brock Lesnar etc). Barrett appears to have hit a wall for the time being. Thwagger was considered the next Angle but lost back stage support. Punk likewise got pushed, lost support (and he's far more talented than Jack). Morrison and Rhodes have seemed lost for angle - although the latter may have found it. The two most talented ring workers, Danielson and Del Rio, are on the cusp, but there's no guarantee either will take that next step. (I'm discounting Mistico as he can speak english yet so has no chance.)
So, really, until VKM realises that something other selling merchandise, gaining a slot on Leno or being bff's with Levesque matters in a company champ, don't think it matters where Orton, Cena or even Dwayne appear.
Whichever it is, brand 'division' is not a problem. What maybe a problem, or is at least inexplicable, is the idea that the brand division means anything. It's not as if SD! concentrates on new talent, light heavyweights, technical wrestling or interesting women's matches, rather than following the same over-written, bad acted, white heavyweight male presentation evident on RAW. I'll admit until recently RAW contained more marquee names (especially faces) than SD and SD perhaps drew more Latino viewers, but the fact that those minor differences have now been evened out further illustrates why the reference to 'brand diversity' is merely demonstrating either a lack of understanding of the product or more likely, the term referenced.
Orton on SD merely takes over from Edge as the the established lead face, with a history of heel turns or tweener behaviour. Regardless of Randall had gone to SD, the lack of back stage support for Christian (understandable from a main event singles perspective) would have meant the WHC run would be short. Had ADR not earned the right to be on RAW taking on SuperCena, then Capt. Charisma wouldn't even had 5 days with the strap.
Whilst unifying the world titles would have had the effect of burying any growth in new talent, keeping the straps separate and likewise JC and RKO, does not guarantee that new talent will be anymore likely to get to the top. The new people to enter the title pictures have seldom been either new people or have it happen on the basis of pure talent. Christian is a vet and dropped the strap through backstage issues not ring work. Mizanin got the strap through bringing in mainstream media attention, something VKM craves to move away from the image of being a wrestling company. Seamus got the nod for being a gym rat and best mates with Levesque (and prospective 'monster heels' are also the most likely to get instant title pushes - a la Paul Wright, Brock Lesnar etc). Barrett appears to have hit a wall for the time being. Thwagger was considered the next Angle but lost back stage support. Punk likewise got pushed, lost support (and he's far more talented than Jack). Morrison and Rhodes have seemed lost for angle - although the latter may have found it. The two most talented ring workers, Danielson and Del Rio, are on the cusp, but there's no guarantee either will take that next step. (I'm discounting Mistico as he can speak english yet so has no chance.)
So, really, until VKM realises that something other selling merchandise, gaining a slot on Leno or being bff's with Levesque matters in a company champ, don't think it matters where Orton, Cena or even Dwayne appear.
With Cena on Raw and Orton on SmackDown, this opens up the door for all the younger wrestlers on their respective brands. Just the thought of Ziggler vs Cena or Bryan vs Orton would elevate them as it is, but imagine if they actually WON the title. Instant credibility either way, but the draft split a lot of power up amongst the brands and I see it as an even playing field now if anything.
Del Rio, Swagger, Morrison, Miz, McIntyre and Ziggler on Raw. Bryan, Christian, Sheamus, Cara, Barrett on SmackDown. These younger guys all have a good chance at superstardom now. There isn't a huge problem with the what so ever.
Del Rio, Swagger, Morrison, Miz, McIntyre and Ziggler on Raw. Bryan, Christian, Sheamus, Cara, Barrett on SmackDown. These younger guys all have a good chance at superstardom now. There isn't a huge problem with the what so ever.
I think too many people view the WWE's actions with the titles and rosters and think it's all about talent development. While having a younger name eventually upset Cena or Orton for one of the world titles would be beneficial to the roster, I don't think that's why those two have been given the strap at this point in time.
Look at the state of the WWE in early 2011. You have one of you main-eventers (Edge) suddenly retire and you're having a down first quarter compared to 2010. That gives you a big reason to move the Draft up (primarily to have Orton replace Edge on SD!). It also gives you the chance to put the world titles on the company's two biggest names only 6-8 days after the draft.
To me, the primary reason behind this is financial. Cena and Orton are a security blanket. Does that mean that the youth movement weren't part of the decision? No, absolutely not. Some of the up and coming heels will get (although likely unsuccessful) title shots in the coming months. I simply don't expect a major title change to happen until Summer Slam or beyond. Giving Orton and Cena lengthy title runs, while boring to the IWC, is the WWE's plan for getting 2011 back on track in the wallet area.
Look at the state of the WWE in early 2011. You have one of you main-eventers (Edge) suddenly retire and you're having a down first quarter compared to 2010. That gives you a big reason to move the Draft up (primarily to have Orton replace Edge on SD!). It also gives you the chance to put the world titles on the company's two biggest names only 6-8 days after the draft.
To me, the primary reason behind this is financial. Cena and Orton are a security blanket. Does that mean that the youth movement weren't part of the decision? No, absolutely not. Some of the up and coming heels will get (although likely unsuccessful) title shots in the coming months. I simply don't expect a major title change to happen until Summer Slam or beyond. Giving Orton and Cena lengthy title runs, while boring to the IWC, is the WWE's plan for getting 2011 back on track in the wallet area.
Reddog1146
Beating the odds since 1993
Cena and Orton are at the top to help put over younger guys into the main event not to bury them. For example, The Miz, he won money in the bank and if he had just cashed it in immediately he would not be a credible champion at all. No, they put him in matches with top talent like john cena and made him do good to make him credible as a champion then he cashed it in. It would not have been possible if he was still feuding with younger talent like he was doing before he got his push. We need cena and orton whether you like it or not it is true.
I love these forums honestly - I do but it does disappoint me that sometimes some posters always try to make snide comments without really coming up with a constructive arguement. Now getting back to my thread . What I don't want to see but expect to see is over the next 6-9 months we are always going to see either John Cena or Randy Orton i9n the title main event - now don't get me wrong i like both of these guys but there is a thing as overkill. An arguement that is put in is they sell merchandise - well both Cena and Orton sell merchandise whether they are champion or not! And don't forget we and the wwe seem to have forgot the fact that no 1 contender matches were at ppv's so we would still see them. Hence that unifying the title I think would increase the competition to rise to the top and not only stretch the creative team but also individual wrestler themselves particulary in the mic skills and character building skills.
I know I was mocked about Christian being whc and because the powers that be dont think he sells - well they are wrong hes just as good as Edge, Benoit, Eddie etc and should of held the belt until the next ppv at least and got beaten by someone like Kane for instance as they could of teased Randy Orton along being champion. There are at least 4-6 ppvs for this 3 way dance before Randy got his hands on the title and then after that bring sheamus or wade barret into the frame.
Now as for john cena i assume hes going to wrestle the miz again at least one more time may be two - so who else is going to get invovled - i can only see Big Show but weve seen supercena pick up and throw him before - so in fact cena needs to loose and big show needs the title for at least 3-4 months. Swagger might get invovled but who else.
The only other possibles to add in the mix are if both y2j and batista make a return and with that y2j needs to go to raw and batista to smackdown.
Again i go back to my original post the younger talent are all going to sit in the mid card and i cant see anyone making the breakthrough - can you honestly?
I know I was mocked about Christian being whc and because the powers that be dont think he sells - well they are wrong hes just as good as Edge, Benoit, Eddie etc and should of held the belt until the next ppv at least and got beaten by someone like Kane for instance as they could of teased Randy Orton along being champion. There are at least 4-6 ppvs for this 3 way dance before Randy got his hands on the title and then after that bring sheamus or wade barret into the frame.
Now as for john cena i assume hes going to wrestle the miz again at least one more time may be two - so who else is going to get invovled - i can only see Big Show but weve seen supercena pick up and throw him before - so in fact cena needs to loose and big show needs the title for at least 3-4 months. Swagger might get invovled but who else.
The only other possibles to add in the mix are if both y2j and batista make a return and with that y2j needs to go to raw and batista to smackdown.
Again i go back to my original post the younger talent are all going to sit in the mid card and i cant see anyone making the breakthrough - can you honestly?
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