Have we had enough of Bret Hart?

[JCE]

This whole thread is a crock! Me personally i never liked Brett i used to think as a teenager his mic skills blew, but thats just his character always was to whine, bitch, and complaine cause he's never got the treatment he deserved, thats his charachter. Even in the 90's with the HBK/DX fued, his brother Owen....everyone. Never found him as the "elite 1st tier" wrestler everyone thinks he is. He's a matt wrestler (minus his 2nd rope diving elbow woot! . What was always intriging to me was his character. The guy was always getting hosed! Fell under Hogans shadow then couldnt draw after wards, then out preformed in every way by HBK, then screwed out of the biz. He was just that guy, getts scrwed by the world to make a big comeback for the feel good story.

That being said Brett has every right for this comback even for only 1 match. If this were HBK and he never came back after his back injury, and all of you were bitching about it everyone would be flaming you hard out!!!! Brett is owed this to him from Vince, Shawn, and HHH and everone who screwed his carrer from the begining, plain and simple Brett's entire career was a waste because not even Vince knew how to use him right, let's just aprricate his damn character (wich still hasnt changed) while we can. In the very soon future he will be gone for good.

 

[theHeadliner]

I think people are expecting Bret to hop in the ring and do leap frogs, crucifixes, planchas, diving through the second rope out to the floor, and all the moves he used to excellently execute. He's 52, had concussions and a stroke, and hasn't done anything physically close to wrestling in a decade. I'm glad he's back and his storyline has been interesting and I like seeing it. I for on have nowhere near had enough. I'd like to see him on the program in a permanent spot.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

I don't know how many more times I have to say this but I'll give it a try. Read carefully:

BRET HART IS NOT GOING TO BE

 

[Jack-Hammer]

I don't know how many more times I have to say this but I'll give it a try. Read carefully:

BRET HART IS NOT GOING TO BE RETURNING TO THE RING!!!

This match against Vince McMahon isn't an indication that we're soon going to see Bret Hart go up against Batista for the WWE Championship or that he's even going to participate in any sort of wrestling match in any way, shape or form. Bret Hart suffered a stroke that still affects him to some degree to this day. He's probably physically unable to even sustain going through an actual wrestling match.

His angle with Vince McMahon is primarily about using the emotions generated by the Montreal Screwjob perpetuate an on-screen rivalry between the two, culminating at a match in WrestleMania. Vince McMahon isn't Kurt Angle people. Their match at 'Mania isn't going to be some clinic of skill and ribald determination. It's going to be an excuse to see Vince McMahon get the snot kicked out of him in a wrestling ring, which is something fans have tuned in to see in droves for well over a decade now. A lot of people tuned in to WM 24 to see Vince McMahon get his head shaved by Donald Trump. It was all but guaranteed it was going to happen, we knew it was going to happen but it was still fun to watch anyhow. Many parts of the exact same formula are going to fit into the Hart/McMahon feud.

Bret Hart isn't what he used to be. Hell, hardly anybody is in their 50s. But Bret Hart's intention has NEVER been to become an active wrestler again. Because of his age, the wear and tear on his body and the effects of the stroke he suffered, I very very much doubt that he could be an active wrestler again even if he wanted to.

Bret Hart doesn't suffer from the same affliction as Hulk Hogan or Ric Flair. Bret Hart not only knows that his best days as an in-ring pro wrestler are behind him. Not only does he know it, but he accepts it. I love how they're handling the storyline right now. It doesn't dominate the show every week, it's not being jammed down our throats every 5 minutes and it's not being used to draw attention away from the other things going on for WrestleMania.

 

[Brainbusters]

What do you people want from Bret? What is it? If you want a 30 minute match that looks like him in 1994, you are not only STUPID, but you are going to be disappointed.

The people who have a problem with Bret being around are one of a few things. 1. Newer wrestling fans who probably rather see Kofi Kingston against Evan Bourne at Mania in some kind of garbage spot-fest. 2. HBK die-hard fans. 3....idiots.

My guess would be that a lot of people who didn't know Bret were happy to hear he was coming back. Then when he decided to take up more than 5 or 10 minutes of tv time, they got pissed. Its the same deal with any wrestler who may have lost a step. You people have zero respect for the guys who came before you started wrestling.

I think there is wayyyyy too much discussion about what Bret can and cannot do, in terms of in ring ability, at Mania 26. If you were expecting a 5-star performance out of either McMahon or Hart, you are just plain stupid. Bret has had countless health issues and is 52 years old. McMahon is just plain old. Of course this will not be a stellar wrestling contest, it is going to be a FIGHT! No matter how well Bret can move, it should be entertaining, for all of us, to watch him whip Vinces ass all around the place.

Vince gave us a storyline we have been waiting for over 12 years to see (at least those of us who actually watched while it all unfolded). I am just not sure what everyones problem is here. Is Bret really that awful to see? You people act as though it somehow hurts you to watch him on Raw, and he has barely been there.

I really hope he and Vince take up 30 minutes at Wrestlemania. I really do. It will be worth every second of it just to come onto this forum afterward and see how badly it has hurt each and every one of you morons who do nothing but complain about Bret Hart.

So to answer the question, NO, I have not had enough of Bret Hart. I hope this feud develops over the next few weeks and we have a great slugfest between Bret and Vince at Mania. I really hate to break it to all of you "new school" wrestling fans; THE BRET HART ANGLE ISN'T BEING DONE FOR YOU! And it isn't being done to hurt you either. It is to wrap up something that badly needed closure. Because you didn't watch it unfold and you might not know who Bret Hart is doesn't give you the right to hate on it. It's been pretty entertaining so far, and at the end of the day, THIS IS ENTERTAINMENT!

AMEN to that brother.

Been watching WWE(F) since the night Big John Stud won the Royal Rumble. That's over 20 years. I've seen alot, and I've expected alot. I've been thrilled and let down.

Us old wrestling fans just want to see Bret in the ring one last time. I'm expecting a Wrestlemania 13 encore. This match will end the same way as Bret's last Wrestlemania match...with his opponent in the sharpshooter passed out in a pool of blood.

Whatever happens...happens. As long as Bret is signed for Wrestlemania against Vince...I will have no expectations....just happy for him to finally end his career the right way.

 

[Demon 73]

AMEN to that brother.

Been watching WWE(F) since the night Big John Stud won the Royal Rumble. That's over 20 years. I've seen alot, and I've expected alot. I've been thrilled and let down.

Us old wrestling fans just want to see Bret in the ring one last time. I'm expecting a Wrestlemania 13 encore. This match will end the same way as Bret's last Wrestlemania match...with his opponent in the sharpshooter passed out in a pool of blood.

Whatever happens...happens. As long as Bret is signed for Wrestlemania against Vince...I will have no expectations....just happy for him to finally end his career the right way.

I can't agree with nickb03 enough. Given some of the quality of matches, the WWE needs Bret more than Bret needs the WWE. Sure it is no secret that Bret has very limited mic skills. But as a wrestling fan, I would rather a wrestler put on a helluva match than be able to be another Dwayne 'Don't Call Me Rock Anymore' Johnson. Anybody remember when there was actually more wrestling than talking? That is why they need Bret to tutor the young risers on how to put on a great match every night.

Who is going to do it if Hart is not there, HBK or HHH? Dream on. Micheals matches are so predictable it is like watching Ric Flair, whose matches at the end of his career were cookie cutters of the RAW before.

As far as Bret in some type of match at Wrestlemania... I really don't know. I don't see Bret agreeing to even a 'street fight' to get away from the rigors of a normal match. Perhaps they are going with Vince in Batista's corner and Hart in Cena's corner. And a buck gets ten that Vince ends up in the Sharpshooter and cries like a baby. Bret gets his 'revenge' against Vince, the fans get another Hart-Wrestlemania moment and Bret gets to soak it all in. Everybody wins. From what I have read Bret's contract is up after WM, but I really hope they keep him on to work with the FCW talent.

I don't care how many people contend that Flair was the greatest of all time because it just isn't true. Flair could put on a helluva promo and early in his career had wars with Steamboat, but who was calling the match? What Bret lacked in mic skills he more than made up with the stories he told in the ring and could make any wrestler look ten times better than they were, including Flair.

 

[theHeadliner]

I don't know how many more times I have to say this but I'll give it a try. Read carefully:

BRET HART IS NOT GOING TO BE RETURNING TO THE RING!!!

This match against Vince McMahon isn't an indication that we're soon going to see Bret Hart go up against Batista for the WWE Championship or that he's even going to participate in any sort of wrestling match in any way, shape or form. Bret Hart suffered a stroke that still affects him to some degree to this day. He's probably physically unable to even sustain going through an actual wrestling match.

His angle with Vince McMahon is primarily about using the emotions generated by the Montreal Screwjob perpetuate an on-screen rivalry between the two, culminating at a match in WrestleMania. Vince McMahon isn't Kurt Angle people. Their match at 'Mania isn't going to be some clinic of skill and ribald determination. It's going to be an excuse to see Vince McMahon get the snot kicked out of him in a wrestling ring, which is something fans have tuned in to see in droves for well over a decade now. A lot of people tuned in to WM 24 to see Vince McMahon get his head shaved by Donald Trump. It was all but guaranteed it was going to happen, we knew it was going to happen but it was still fun to watch anyhow. Many parts of the exact same formula are going to fit into the Hart/McMahon feud.

Bret Hart isn't what he used to be. Hell, hardly anybody is in their 50s. But Bret Hart's intention has NEVER been to become an active wrestler again. Because of his age, the wear and tear on his body and the effects of the stroke he suffered, I very very much doubt that he could be an active wrestler again even if he wanted to.

Bret Hart doesn't suffer from the same affliction as Hulk Hogan or Ric Flair. Bret Hart not only knows that his best days as an in-ring pro wrestler are behind him. Not only does he know it, but he accepts it. I love how they're handling the storyline right now. It doesn't dominate the show every week, it's not being jammed down our throats every 5 minutes and it's not being used to draw attention away from the other things going on for WrestleMania.

I totally agree with his physical condition. He can't do what he once did nor is he in any kind of shape to do it. Tedy Bruschi, former pro football linebacker for the Patriots, suffered a stroke after the Superbowl in 2005. He took a season off to rehab and came back to play 3 more years and he's fine today. Football is just as violent if not more than pro wrestling. If Bret wants to hit Vince with a few punches, a few European uppercuts, and then slap on the sharpshooter at Wrestlemania that would be great and I'm sure he's capable of doing that. The storyline and the way they are handling it is fine like you said. Its been one of the most intriguing angles they've had in some time and it makes me want to keep tuning in to see what happens next.

 

[sukhbirsl]

Definatlely not.
We havnt seen enough of Bret. After a match at WM with Vince, we still would have not seen enough of Bret. We missed out on 12 years of the (imo) greatest worker in the WWE.
And just like theHeadliner said: "I think people are expecting Bret to hop in the ring and do leap frogs, crucifixes, planchas, diving through the second rope out to the floor, and all the moves he used to excellently execute. He's 52, had concussions and a stroke, and hasn't done anything physically close to wrestling in a decade."
That's exactly what i think. He's 52, you cant expect him to be doing what John Morrison is doing. He's a stroke victim, and has been having a great and entertaining feud with Vince Mcmahon.
I dont know what else to expect from Bret and the WWE, but I know its not over.

 

[mister630]

Please, Vince, let it go! Let Hitman go! He can't talk on the mic, he can't wrestle (not his fault, but still). He bores me each and every week. First time back was nostalgic...well I imagine it was, I was watching TNA at the time. Second time back was cool because it was the whole "how will he respond to McMahon's treatment?" question. He comes out and whines, destroys things again, gets beaten up, spit on, not necessarily in that order but you get what I'm saying. Now, last week he gets his leg "crushed" in what is possibly the stupidest and most predictable segment I think I've ever seen. The back-up lights were on in the car when Cena and Bret were walking past it! He's coming back this Monday to do what? Whine, complain, get beat up again, and possibly have Cena save him.

I have had enough of Bret. Get him off my TV, out of wrestling, FOR GOOD! This is just another story of a wrestler hanging on a bit too long.

The only way this angle could be salvaged is if they turn Bret heel and have him cost HBK the match. But I can't see any logical way for them to do this, and even if there was, I'm pretty should Bret would ixnay that. So the only possible solution to this is get the boring old man off my television set. If I want to see Bret, I'd rather watch my Hitman DVD set, where his matches entertain me.

 

[colalella2891]

Yea, honestly i've grown tired of the whole thing already.

The main thing I think is the fact that this whole scenario with Bret wasn't booked as well as it could have been. I mean an injury angle? Seriously? It doesn't make it more interesting, because IMO the PG era really can't pull something like this off... And, LOL, yea like the above poster said, it was so fuckin predictable. Everyone must have saw it coming, I mean the tail lights were on and the limo was conveniently parked right there behind it.

Not to mention that Bret was brought back, then he no-showed Raw for a while, then he randomly comes back. It was just booked poorly... worse than I described it.

Bottom line, yea i've had enough. It was great at first, when he came back to host Raw, but it should've stopped there. Just let it go WWE!!! Bret can't draw obviously because the ratings are the same, he can't wrestle, hell he can't even talk on the mic that well. I REALLY hope that this whole thing is done after Wrestlemania.

Now don't get me wrong, i'm a Bret fan, and I respect the hell out of him, but enough is enough...

 

[gazzalfc]

I'm not tired of Bret

I'm tired of this stupid slow build up of Bret's comeback

1 hour on 3 weeks off. How stupid is that?

Its not been nearly as personal enough.

Considering all the history between Bret and Vince and 'The screwjob' why did the writers feel the need to tie this into Cena and Batista?

They could have made it a hell of alot more personal by concentrating on Vince and Bret.

If they thought that Bret and Vince could handle it alone then why not include the Hart Dynasty. How much is made about how The Dynasty is the next generation of The Hart Foundation? There was a perfect chance to get them onto Raw when DX were dropping the tag titles (I mean does the Miz need the tag titles right now?).

So why weren't they brought over and have Hart manging The Dynasty giving them a deserved push and have Vince team up with DX and have Batista team up with HHH (they have history with evolution and HHH needs a heel turn) while HBK goes on to his programe with the Undertaker?

 

[trendkiller]

I may catch some heat over this, but...

I am really, really tired of the Bret Hart return angle and am not looking forward to the payoff at WrestleMania at all. Yes, to start with, I was very excited to see The Hitman again, but after about five minutes of the absolutely abysmal mic work and a few seconds of extremely awkward ring work, I've been so put off, I just want this angle to go the way of Kane's doppleganger and disappear without explanation.

The angle worked because of nostalgia, but when it's painfully obvious that Hart no longer has "it", they should've just given us the payoff on TV weeks ago. They're dragging it out way too much and there is some atrocious mic work going on. Nostalgia doesn't work long term, and this is the best evidence that can be presented.

Really, I don't feel the angle at all anymore. I don't care for Bret Hart, though I used to, and I don't care whether he gets his "revenge" or not. Unless we get a straight-up shoot fight, then to hell with it.

HBK vs Taker 2 seems so much more intense, because the guys involved has actually worked a ring over the past twelve years and they're good at what they do. Hart's been on the sidelines for a decade - and he's way off his game.

 

[warriorforever83]

bret does sound weak on the mic, and im not sure he can wrestle, it does suck, however i will never get sick of seeing him, what they need to do is bring back the attitude era ASAP

 

[zephyrs]

This whole Bret Hart story arc as been a bad idea. A one time deal, on 01/04/10 where he "made amends" with HBK and Vince would have sufficed. Having all this shit afterwards has been a total mess. Bret's weak on the mic - always has been but he could make up for that in the ring. Well, he can't make up for it in the ring anymore so now we're wallowing in this crap. Not to mention, the "young" fans that WWE is targeting these days have no idea of who Bret is nor what he did when he wrestled. The Wrestlemania match between Bret and VKM is going to go down as one of the worst in WM history.

 

[imfromhoiland]

What do you guys think will happen tonight on Raw?

I think the Bret Hart storyline could take a turn for the better by including some younger talent. I can only think of beating the Undertaker at Wrestlemania as being a bigger push than being included in one of the most anticipated matches for the past several decades.

One way they could include younger talent would obviously be tonight, when Mr. McMahon goes 1 vs. 1 against John Cena. Now, I know we can pretty much all assume McMahon is not going to play it fair, he has something up his sleeve, as he could not realistically beat John Cena 1 vs. 1.

They could take this 2 ways: 1. If Cena wins, he no longer gets his title shot at 'Mania. 2. Have some talent interfere in the match. I'd prefer this second approach, although it would probably be Batista interfering in the match tonight. I however, when looking at the roster, and who is not involved in a match for Wrestlemania, would prefer Drew McIntyre to be thrust into this storyline. He's lost two straight matches, can't get into MITB, so what better way to get the final MITB spot than to help Mr. McMahon against John Cena and have a hand in the match at Wrestlemania? What better way is there to counter McIntyre's involvement by elevating the Hart Dynasty?

There are some obvious routes that WWE could go with this storyline, such as keeping Batista included. Injecting new talent would be more beneficial, and would make this Bret Hart storyline more of a success than a dud.

 

[Thomasrko]

I have had enough of Brett talking he needs to start fighting. He's still got a little bit left in him. Put him in a match before Wrestslemainia, he didn't really break his leg!

 

[Mighty NorCal]

What a fucking DUMBASS post. The guys is a stroke victim who can barely get around you DUMB FUCK. If he takes too heavy of a bump he could DIE. As in, cease to live. I would imagine his status as a fragile stroke victim likely has sOmething to do with his lack of physicality, and them building to WM with promos and not fights. Get a fucking clue.

 

[The Not So Bad Guy]

this will be the shortest match on the card i cringe at the fact Bret might even try one of his perfect Russian leg sweeps (if you never saw him do it check it out) but this i feel and i could be wrong let Bret win one more the Hart Dynasty, Owen in the hall of fame it just sounds smart to let him put McMahon in the sharp Shooter.

and good forbid its a kiss my foot match all time low even for the hit man

 

[Hartvict]

i definitely agree. i really think this has ruined bret's rep and i think if he actually does show up at wrestlemania i have a big feeling the match isn't going to last long because by the time bret gets to the ring he'll be on the ground with another stroke.

 

[HatchetMan84]

Come on guys.....I think you're being hard on Bret. Now i know that he isnt the wrestler he was in the 90's, but I think he's thought long and hard about if he could wrestle again. Bret is the kind of guy who wouldnt agree to this match if he knew it was just going to make an ass of him.

I've said it again and again, and other posters here have too. Before Bret came back to the WWE, the report said he was training wrestlers, and that he moved fine in the ring and could go through all the moves, he was just careful with his neck, and VERY careful with his head.

So i'd say he can wrestle decent enough, but nobody knows except Bret and his family. I doubt he'll take any chair shots to the head or anything, but i don't think he's as big of a risk as everyone says...

 

[Dave]

For me, the Bret Hart angle is really simmering along nicely. Both parties in this feud at really going at it hammer and tongs and I like how candid it is becoming. Bret Hart has been used with varying levels of success since his return. Like the original poster said, he has just cut promo after promo. However, I don't necessarily see that as a bad thing. In fact, I think it has done wonders for Raw and for Bret Hart. People want to hear Bret Hart speak. They want to hear him trash the WWE and Vince McMahon and they want to listen to what he has to say. I think Bret also likes to speak his mind and this gives him a golden opportunity to smooth things over with the WWE and the fans that have followed him since Survivor Series 1997. If the question was "Am I Sick Of Bret Hart Promos?" I would probably have to lean towards a yes. However, that is not the question and Bret Hart as an entertainer is as good as he ever was.

We have seen him talk down to McMahon and McMahon play his best role in direct correlation to Hart. Both men seem like they really hate each other and I think that the feud is really something to behold. The match for Wrestlemania is on and we all know that both men are really going to put on a show. It may be that we are treated to Bret Hart at his best even as a man who needs to be carried throughout. To me, it doesn't matter because the Bret Hart angle is everything that I wanted from the man from the moment he announced he was coming back. There is so much history between the two men that I could never get bored with it.

 

[RKOlegendkiller]

Hey guys this is my first post here..

I was excited when I heard Bret was coming back. He was my childhood hero and my favorite wrestler of the time. His return on raw was spectactular. Now about this storyline they got going on. The passion involved in it.. It really seems as if these true truly hate eachother. I was extremely disaapointed when I found out they were putting Bret in a match at wm. 5 yes ago maybe it would of been cool. With brets health how much can he do? And Vince is getting old as well and surely can't take the bumps he use to. How entertaining will this match honestly be? It was a good idea to bring Bret back but not to wrestle. Manage someone. Gm of raw. He'll even commentator would be better. He's too old. That's just the way I feel about this match. I like Bret as a person he was a great wrestler. But I just don't think this is a good idea both for entertainment value and for brets health. And if I really wanted to watch a bunch of old hasbeen wrestlers wrestle I would just turn to tna

 

[Low_Ki]

I think Bret still has it in him to pull off a good match with Vinnie Mac.

Sure all the talk of not being able to take too many bumps, thats all well and good but he's not a pensioner for goodness sake. Sure he had a stroke, but the man looks like he can get around fine to me.

Seeing Bret back in a WWE ring week after week reminds me that anything can still happen on a WWE broadcast. I won't have had enough until I see him finally getting his retribution over McMahon after all the years of hurt. Bring on Wrestlemania!!

 

[c0nd0ms]

I think Bret Hart is amazing. Just his presence in the wwe is huge. He could come back as long as he is used sparingly. He could have fueds with heaps of wrestlers. Id love to see Jericho and Hart have a fued like the Jericho/Shawn Michaels fued a while back. Or make him general manager, I love Shawn Michaels but Bret being GM of raw could easily work against Shawn considering thier history. Yes they kinda sorted it out but I think they could make it some kind of story between them two leading up to the next wrestlemania, Shawn Michaels VS Bret Hart one more time....I would love to see that.