Girls, Want A Job In Arizona? Better Have A Condom Ready

[klunderbunker]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...n-medical-reasons_n_1344557.html?ref=politics

So according to some crackpot in Arizona, any employer that offers birth control in their employees' health care plan has the right to know if that pill is being used for a medical condition or just to prevent pregnancies. If you're using it to prevent pregnancies, this law would possibly give the employer the right to fire you because it goes against the employer's morals.

NOTHING could go wrong in this could it?

 

[The Talon]

It's Arizona. You're surprised?

 

[Hyorinmaru]

people would actually be surprised/angry that women would be using BIRTH CONTROL to you know control birth?

 

[JGlass]

I'm pretty sure Arizona is trying to convince the country that it is the new capital of conservatism.

I enjoy how they cry foul over the backlash against Rush Limbaugh being a violation of 1st Amendment Rights, but this is TOTALLY kosher.

 

[Remix]

I'd condemn this, but seeing as I'm going to work in a profession where it's perfectly acceptable to decline sales of Birth Control and EHC due to morals/religious beliefs I can't really do that without being a bit of a hypocrite.

 

[shattered dreams]

I wish the religious zealots pushing this stupidity through would think about the dangerous precedents it sets. In the US your employer is pretty much the only realistic way to maintain health coverage without going broke for the majority of the population. The last thing anyone with common sense wants is them having freedom to deny you specific treatments based on their personal preferences. If I was a heartless corporation I'd pay off the Scientologists to come out against chemotherapy for some reason or another. I'd point out that was an extreme example but I suspect they could come up with a reason that makes as much sense as what I have heard for this anti-pill nonsense.

 

[PlayTheGame]

The title of this thread totally threw me off- I thought Arizona passed some magical law that prohibited women from holding any other job than that of a prostitute. I got so excited for a second there.

 

[One Punch Doug Crashin]

Jesus H. fucking Christ is there anything NOT wrong with this?

 

[Stormtrooper]

So a church that is morally opposed to Birth Control and doesn't want to employ people who are going against their beliefs can't make sure that their employees are in line with them?

Yeah, I see nothing wrong with that.

 

[Goliath Uterus]

Yeah, I see nothing wrong with that.

Most ******s can't.

 

[Pay Per Ghost]

So a church that is morally opposed to Birth Control and doesn't want to employ people who are going against their beliefs can't make sure that their employees are in line with them?

Yeah, I see nothing wrong with that.

The whole of Arizona is a church?

 

[Stormtrooper]

The whole of Arizona is a church?

No, but they need to be given the opportunity to observe their beliefs. Hence the law, and hence why the law isn't as pathetic as it sounds.

Remember, just because they HAVE the right to do something, doesn't mean they do anything with it.

 

[Serious Mozzarella]

No, but they need to be given the opportunity to observe their beliefs. Hence the law, and hence why the law isn't as pathetic as it sounds.

Remember, just because they HAVE the right to do something, doesn't mean they do anything with it.

Stormy, I like you. I really do.

Stop being a fucking moron.

This is religious discrimination, and it violates the 14th amendment. Employers are not churches. Neither are states. Neither is any form of government whatsoever in this country.

They can observe their beliefs all they want, but discriminating against someone who shares a different belief is not an observation of religious beliefs.

 

[Hollywood Naitch]

Couldn't a woman just not use the company health plan to get the pill just buy it themselves and everything would be fine and they would keep their job?

Or am I misunderstanding this...

 

[Davi323]

I oppose Obama's birth control mandate on 1st Amendment grounds and how it relates to allowing religious institutions to practice their faith. But, it seems to me that if a secular employer elects to have a health care plan that covers birth control, then it shouldn't matter what the employees use the birth control pills for.

(this is the part where KB acts all astonished because at least partially, I agree with him politically)

As far as it pertains to secular employer situations that elect to cover birth control already, I don't see why motivation for use should matter one iota. If it's covered, it's covered. I would not support a bill that forces anyone to have to detail why they need it, provided it is covered already.

This is a completely separate issue from forcing religious institutions to carry birth control against their religious beliefs, this bill assumes that the company's health plan already covers it. Once it's already covered, I think it's overreaching to demand to know why they are using it. At that point, the horses are already out of the barn. If you voluntarily choose a health care plan that covers it, then it should be covered regardless of purpose. My vision plan covers glasses once a year or contacts once every two years...Once I have the glasses or contacts, what I do with them, whether I wear them or not is irrelevant. If birth control is covered by the insurance plan, it's covered.

 

[shattered dreams]

Do these no birth control health plans cover vasectomies?

 

[Shotaro]

Wow, just wow, this news makes me die a little inside. That's quite possibly one of the largest invasions of privacy an employer could make, and it bypasses one of the forbidden questions in interviews (ie do you plan to have kids.) The fact that an employer can even ASK what their employee gets on their health plan is a massively intrusive loss of privacy, compound it with the right to ask what it is for and you have state-mandated Catholic beliefs.

(I only say catholic because they are the most ardent about the whole no-contraceptive thing, they are far from alone in the belief)

 

[The Big Gunnzbowski]

It's Arizona. You're surprised?

Fuck off! ....wait, no... you're right. It's in the water...

 

[The Big Gunnzbowski]

The whole thing is bullshit. It's hypocrisy in every aspect.

"My morals are different than yours, so I'm going to punish you for it!"

 

[Slyfox696]

So a church that is morally opposed to Birth Control and doesn't want to employ people who are going against their beliefs can't make sure that their employees are in line with them?

Yeah, I see nothing wrong with that.

You see nothing wrong with the government not protecting its citizens from the intrusion of greedy corporations into people's personal and medical lives?

If the government is not protecting us from those who would cause harm to its citizens, what's the point in government?

 

[Moon Knight]

You see nothing wrong with the government not protecting its citizens from the intrusion of greedy corporations into people's personal and medical lives?

If the government is not protecting us from those who would cause harm to its citizens, what's the point in government?

The government is also not supposed to intrude in the affairs of the church. Seperation of church and state and all that. Of course Disney isn't the church.

 

[The Big Gunnzbowski]

You see nothing wrong with the government not protecting its citizens from the intrusion of greedy corporations into people's personal and medical lives?

If the government is not protecting us from those who would cause harm to its citizens, what's the point in government?

Over the last 10 years, our government has done next to nothing to prove that they have our interests in mind. At every turn, it seems they want to blur the line with our constitutional rights, rework the jargon to seem like they're keeping within their constitutional limitations, or make shit so confusing, that most people aren't even aware their rights are in danger. What this country needs to do, is stand up to the government and do something about it! We have the right to impeach while we sit here and whine, bitch, and moan... yet we never exercise the right!

 

[Slyfox696]

The government is also not supposed to intrude in the affairs of the church. Seperation of church and state and all that. Of course Disney isn't the church.

This has nothing to do with the church. This is a law giving employers the legal right to FORCE their employees to disclose medical information.

[QUOTE="The Living Legend" Johnny Gunnz;3776886]Over the last 10 years, our government has done next to nothing to prove that they have our interests in mind.[/quote]Agreed.

What this country needs to do, is stand up to the government and do something about it! We have the right to impeach while we sit here and whine, bitch, and moan... yet we never exercise the right!

We do, we have elections every two years. The problem is our choices are limited to members of the corrupt Democratic party or the corrupt Republican party.

 

[One Punch Doug Crashin]

We do, we have elections every two years. The problem is our choices are limited to members of the corrupt Democratic party or the corrupt Republican party.

I agree with this statement. I'm sick and tired of it.

 

[Nate DaMac]

Don't blame me, I never vote. Except that one time, about 4 years ago.