George W. Bush

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Katrina itself was not Bush's fault, true. But you have to take into account that some of those people you're calling greedy for staying, simply had nowhere to go. Where would they go? Some of those people had no families, no relatives, no money to go to hotels, no cars, they would've ended up hitchhiking and sleeping in ditches, they thought it was a better idea to just stay and ride it out. Most of the people that did ride it out were very poor and usually black.

But you can definately blame Bush for what has happened in the clean up process. We were able to send help to the Tsunami victims halfway across the world in less then three hours, yet we still have neighborhoods in New Orleans where people don't have power, running water, or sewage systems? That's just disgusting.

Ace was definately right to a degree on that one. Like it or not we are the superpower of this world and when the shit goes down we are the first ones that people look to for help. But you also can't forget how many times we've been reached to for help and we flat out said no---be it the Rwandan and Darfur genocides or Palestinians trying to get medical aid to their families, we more often say NO then we do YES.

Look, I don't want to hijack this thread into being about 9/11, but people are simply being ignorant about it. People who just dismiss an idea without even looking into it have no right to say whether or not that idea is wrong or not. I understand that the steel didn't have to melt to collapse, it had to weaken, but steel does not even begin to weaken or bend in any way until roughly 2800 degrees Fahrenheit, while all of the jet fuel, furniture, and building material combined couldn't have burned more then a max of 2000 degrees Fahrenheit. And it did not fall outwards Shocky, if it had then all of the buildings around it would've been screwed. If you watch the video of it you can see the building collapsing into itself in the exact way controlled demolitions do. Then you throw in the fact that the buildings fell at a free-fall speed, it just gets ridiculious for anyone to believe these buildings fell the way we are being told they did. They're trying to tell us that two of the largest buildings in the world were able to crash through floor after floor after floor of steel and god knows what else at the exact same rate it would fall through air? Come on, thats just common science.

I can't understand why you'd believe in the Missle striking the Pentagon theory, and NOT believe in the tower theory. Do you think the two were just attacked by coincidence within hours of eachother? Doesn't make much sense does it?

Someone posed the idea that why would Bush want to kill thousands of his own citizens. Question: Why the fuck not? He's never cared about human lives before, be it the half a million in Iraq or ridiculious amount of people who's executions he signed in Texas (including freaking MENTALLY CHALLENGED people), the man isn't exactly a humanitarian.

But hey, I don't want to step on anyone's toes, everyone is entitled to their own opinion in this country.

 

[Big Ace]

Personally, I believe the Missile Theory. My teacher explained it to me on Friday, and I think it's more believeable than the 9/11 Conspiracy. Basically, for anybody reading who doesn't know, The Military launched two missiles to stop two planes that they thought they were hijacked. One supposably ended up hitting Flight 93, bringing it down. The other? They say that it missed its target and that it hit the Pentagon. Do I buy it? Yes. It sounds believeable. The problem I have with it, is that I think Flight 93 was brought down by the passengers. I don't buy that a flight hit the Pentagon at all though.

Flight 77 never did hit The Pentagon IMO. Wouldn't there be a whole lot of destruction? Especially considering all the fire that the fuel would've caused. You would've seen a lot of scattered bodies. Bottomline, hell would've been raised. But, it seems like The Pentagon was almost scratchless. It was no conspiracy. It was planned out by The Government to prevent any other possible bombings. I've said it once, and I'll say it again, why would George Bush bomb The Twin Towers? It makes absolutely no sense.

Bush has done a terrible job. I think most of us can agree on that. The Katrina thing...I don't really want to get into it. I still personally think that a lot less would've suffered had Bush helped them more, but that's just my opinion. The Aftermath Of Katrina would've and could've been much better if Bush had helped with putting more troops in New Orleans.

To get off subject, I was watching a 9/11 video on YouTube and it was just sick. It was a man named Kevin Cosgrove and he was pretending to be in the Twin Towers at the time of their collapse. He was pretending to cough and choke and all that crap. Then, while all this was happening, he was on a phone call. He was demanding for a firefighter to come up to the 105th floor. The firefighter got to the 100th floor when the Towers collapsed. Kevin just started...laughing. Laughing at the United States. Laughing at that firefighter. I hope he burns in hell.

R.I.P to that Firefighter who put his life on the line for a stupid S.O.B.

 

[Shocky]

The problem with Katrina was, and I remember watching it before it hit, Hundreds of empty buses leaving from New Orleans to safe zones in Houston. People had there chance. They were bussing anyone that wanted a free ride, and it was some god awful low percentage of busses being filled. I understand people simply wanting to ride it out, but when 100's of busses are leaving the city half empty, that's on the citizens, not the government. Remember, New Orleans is in a bowl, it's not going to be easy for any military to get there within a few days, some of that water has to wash out to get some of the roads into the city clear for a military movement. You had bridges and roads just completly washed out. I understand with parts of the city still being without power, it's a business unfortunately. You have to pretty much redo the infrastructure of the whole city, and 1 1/2 is fast to have a whole city rebuilt. The main thing people are going to focus on are the business districts, like it or not. God knows how much of the product we import comes up the river from New Orleans, that has to be the priority. Another thing is, there is no rush, because the people of New orleans aren't necessarily flocking back to the city.

I can believe the 9/11 Pentagon theory more then the WTC and feel they both can co-exist. I can see the army hurling a missile at a section of the Pentagon that was already closed for repairs anyway. I think it's just a matter of getting more people behind you, and making an attack on a military installation more of an act of war then an act of terrorism.

I'm not trying to dismiss the 9/11 conspiracy. Everyone is entitled to their opinion on it. I"ve read on it, and simply don't agree with it, that's all.

 

[justinsayne]

Ok I did have a paragrah of crap written on this subject but when I went to post it, it kicked me out I had to sign on again, and I lost it all(that is seriously annoying), so any way since I can't remember everything I wrote I'll just quickly list a few things I want to say, and I don't really want to get dragged into some sort of politiacal debate, I get enough of that at family gatherings, and unforuntly I got one today, so anyway

-I don't think Bush was responisable for 9/11, I do think that he took advantage of it to "start the war on terror", which we'll have as much a chance of winning as we do with the war on drugs

-Bush is nothing more than a war-mongering ass-fuck nazi wannabe douche

-I think the deal with Katrina was simply that Bush didn't give a fuck, he was to busy screwing up the rest of the counrty, and besides he hates black people

-I do think that the Bush administration did rig the last two elections, it's pretty obvious with the first one, and I think they learned how to cover their asses after that one, anyone who thinks he didn't rig the second election, seriosly needs to explain how he won when danm near the entire counrty hates the fucker

-WHY THE FUCK HASN'T ANYBODY TRIED TO KILL THIS ASSHOLE YET ?

And fianally I found this picture, and it had me LMAO

 

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True, just about everyone agrees the 2000 election was a complete sham, how do the votes of hundreds of communities in Florida (primarily black communities that were going to vote for Gore) just disappear into thin air? And then theres the whole thing about the messed up voting cards and a ridiculious amount of people accidentally voting for Pat Buchanan, it's just ridiculious.

People don't think the 2004 election was rigged, and I don't understand why. Electronic Voting machines are some of the most easily manipulated machines on Earth. There's absolutely no physical evidence you need to destroy either, you just hack onto the computer and vote for one guy twelve millon times if you like. Anybody hoping to have real elections in America anymore should do everything in their power to get the fuck rid of electronic voting machines, almost all of which are DynCorp, a company that's constantly involved in lobbying with the Republican party.

I'm just curious though, why do you guys think Bush wouldn't have a problem hurling a missle at the pentagon, bu wouldn't of taken down the towers? It's not like it just was a big coincidence. Maybe you're thinking that he saw the towers taken down and decided to add more, but what the hell would be the point of that? The twin towers were already fucked and that would provide him with more then enough of a reason to invade whatever country he felt like. Plus you have to explain things like Flight 93.

I have no doubt personally that a missle was used in the pentagon, for a few reasons: A) There were absolutely no debris of a plane anywhere...you're trying to tell me that a plane crashes into the pentagon and we can't find any of the fucking parts, not even the black box? Bullshit. B) If you take a look at the path that we've been told the plane would have to take to crash into the Pentagon, it's impossible, it would've clipped way to many telephone poles and buildings and no way would it have been able to dodge back and forth between those things going at hundreds of MPH.

 

[Shadowmancer]

I don't buy into the Missile Theory on the Pentagon, I beleive that it was a truck and not a plane, but the George Bush involved in the Pentagon thing is possibly the only Conspiracy theory about 9/11 that I will beleive has plausibility. The others are possible but unlikely. I was shocked as an outsider to see that Florida fucked up so royally when it came to the Presidential Elections in 2000, but what do you expect when the mans brother is the Governor of Florida.

 

[Moon Knight]

I don't buy into the Missile Theory on the Pentagon, I beleive that it was a truck and not a plane, but the George Bush involved in the Pentagon thing is possibly the only Conspiracy theory about 9/11 that I will beleive has plausibility. The others are possible but unlikely. I was shocked as an outsider to see that Florida fucked up so royally when it came to the Presidential Elections in 2000, but what do you expect when the mans brother is the Governor of Florida.

It was a plane, it was caught on tape. And all 9/11 conspiracy theories are crap. I have an associates degree in civil drafting with a major in architecture, coming from that everything that happened after those planes hit made perfect sense to me. You might wanna look at popular mechanics debunking 9/11 myths artilce from 2005 and some others, all 9/11 conspiracy theories are pretty much bunk. Those could explain it better than I could.

 

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And you might want to take into account that the Popular Mechanics article focused mainly on theories that have been discredited by so called conspiracy theorists themselves, such as the pods on planes theory which everyone knows is crap.

Take a look at this website: Debunking Popular Mechanics Lies

That article and the subsequent book are full of so much bullshit it's ridiculious. People keep saying "9/11 theories have no merit or evidence", yet when I show people the overwhelming evidence they just say "oh no thats not true" without even checking it out themselves. Look, bottom line, if you have a degree in architecture or civil engineering you should know that no steel structured building in history has ever collapsed from fire.

Did physics and science just decide to take the day off? What about the thermite found in the debris, a chemical used exclusively in demolitions? There's more evidence in favor of these "conspiracy theories" then there are for the government's explanation, what does that tell you?

 

[Slyfox696]

Bottomline, Bush is a monumental failure. He has failed on No Child Left Behind, He has Failed on making stricter Border/Immigration laws. No Child Left behind is good in theory, but how they hell do you take funding away from schools for undereducated children, because they didn't pass test. So you're going to take away money from already underfunded schools, and then expect the schools to get better? What kinda ass backwards thinking is that.

I want to address this. I'm going to be a teacher, my dad is a teacher, my mom was a teacher/principal and now superintendent, my g-ma was a teacher, and my g-pa was a teacher/principal/superintendent. So, education is kind of important to me.

Let me explain to you why I think NCLB was enacted in this way. Call this a conspiracy theory is you like, but at least contemplate what I'm saying. Also, realize I'm speaking in mostly generalities.

Republicans do not want a public school system. They will not come out and say it, for obvious reasons, but let's consider the evidence, and why this might be the case.

1) They support private schools, which is evidenced by private school vouchers and other assistance. In addition, at least in Missouri, education funding has traditionally been cut any time a Republican has been the Governor. Conversely, whenever Mel Carnahan (Dem) was in office, schools were getting much more funding than they were under John Ashcroft or what they are now currently. In fact, a couple years back, schools were under major financial crises, which resulted in many aides and teachers being let go, extra curricular funding being cut, building development halted and other things that public schools need to run.

2) Which leads us to "Why do they not want a public school system?". Simple. To keep their place on top. It's a generally accepted theory that Republicans cater more to the upper class citizens of America. What is the one way to change one self from being a poor person to being a rich person? Simple. Education. That is why, in the South, blacks were for so long denied an education, to keep them down and keep them from realizing they could change their fortune. Well, if someone is going to be rich, someone else has to be poor. So, by getting rid of the public school system, and ushering students into private schools, it ensures two things. One, those who are uneducated are not a threat to the upper class, and two, that those who are poor will not be able to raise their social class. I mean, what is one of the biggest hang-ups to sending a child to private school? Money. It is designed to keep the poor people down.

3) Now you may be asking yourself "Well, what is so bad with that? You yourself that some people have to be poor for others to be rich.". Well, let me address that as well. The quickest way to financial ruin is a large discrepancy between the upper class and the lower class. That is one of the biggest factors to what caused the Great Depression of the 1930s. It's like an example my economics teacher gave me in high school.

There is $100 in the economy. Now, we can choose between 1 person having all $100 dollars, or ten people each having $10. Now, let's say there are ten cars, each that cost $10. Theoretically, the one person can buy ten cars, or ten people can buy ten cars. So, it all works out right?

How many people buy ten cars?

That is why distribution of wealth cannot be so spread out. It's also why I disapprove of Republican theory of economics.

So, which brings us back to Bush's NCLB. Now, using the previous as a guide, does it not make sense then that Bush would require such high standards from education, and then not provide enough funding to do so? Then, when schools are unable to reach the lofty standards given to public schools without the funding to do it, and school fail, then even more funding is cut from the school, making it even more difficult to reach target goals.

If you ask me, George Bush's No Child Left Behind act was nothing more than just another way to undercut the public school system.



Not that I'm bitter about it or anything.