General MMA Discussion

[Kasey]

The intricacies of the ground fight are boring. key locks, kimuras, guillotines, reverse arm submissions, tri-angles, rear nakeds, counterweight switching and arm bars are all boring. Yeah there’s a lot going on there, a lot of boring. People who like Liddell are third rate? Do you know these people? Felony fights are fun. Kimbo slice hits hard.

You find it boring. Great. Your attention span is all of two seconds and doesn't cater to legitimate sports and watching the best of their respective sport. One man's trash is another's treasure and all that. Yes, they are third rate. Try the fucking packed house of ******s who grace Arco Arena and boo the first time a fight hits the floor. They boo what they don't understand and just froth at the mouth for all mohawked sprawl-and-brawlers who fear the ground game.

Don't like ground fighting? Why have you even watched the UFC? Most people with half a brain have understood the potential for grounded fights since Royce Gracie won the first fucking tournament using the stuff. It's taken you this long and you still haven't got it, yet? Kimbo Slice also fights journeymen jobbers in his "pro" fights and is nothing more than a marketing piece who just got knocked out in practice by Forrest Griffin. IN PRATICE. The only reason he isn't completely hammered by every single MMA fan is because Bas trains him.

The sad part is that you had to see fit to jump into a thread filled with MMA fans just to dog on the core topic of the thread. Where's your 3.0 GPA sense on that one, cool guy? You want to dog on MMA? Fine. Open a separate thread and get the fuck out of this one to do it.

I love basketball and the X-games. Action packed. I just started watching football. Can’t stand baseball, although my brother in law loves it.

Groovy.

Is refuted by…

The fact you even cited your GPA is enough to win my arguments for me. What's next, you going to post a PDF of your most recent test scores? How about some finger paintings with gold stars on them? Once again, the fact you don't even see the stupidity in your retort makes this entire "discussion" all that much more laughable from your end.

It logically explains away an accusation. Logic. It’s easy to reason. Reason.

See: above.

Your metaphors are quite high class.

What's worse: Me for pointing out what you did with my high-class metaphors...or you being the smartie actually doing what I described? Right...

You’re the real tough cookie with the long history of breaking little hearts, like the one in me…..

Oh, yeah, buddy. I'm quite the keyboard warrior. Everyone trembles at my mighty name. The internet literally quivers with my footsteps.

Actually, it’s not on right now, however I do need to go right now because my mother is finished making her famous marshmallow yams for dinner. So until your next post reply my unworthy nemesis.

Say "hi" to your mom for me.

 

[Kasey]

According to the Red Devil Team, Fedor will be headlining the July Adrenaline MMA PPV against former UFC Heavyweight Champion Tim Sylvia. No idea whether or not this is true but they named a date and venue so take it for what its worth.

If this is true, I think Tim's in trouble. He had been talking so much shit about how he could woop Fedor when Tim was UFC Champion and Fedor was PRIDE Champion and I don't think he'll be able to back his words up. Anyway, what are your thoughts on this potential(?) fight between two former world champs with completely different games.

As far as I'm concerned, this is the fight of the summer. With the UFC keeping most of their title holders on the shelf (Nog likely won't fight until August), it's nice to see that Fedor will get his first true test in nearly three years. This will determine whether or not he is still number one, or if fighting second-tier fighters for the last 36 months or so has taken it's toll on him. Regardless of how much rust Fedor has in the standup, if the fight goes to the floor, Tim will get punished and inevitably armbarred. I'm intrigued, though. Seeing as Dana has pretty much allowed conceptually the deepest heavyweight division in history to unravel inside of a year's time because he doesn't make smart business decisions.

 

[Kasey]

^^You didn't even say anthing. Kasey challenged you and all you did was come back with some pre school taunts. You keep making yourself look more and more foolish as time goes on.

I'm still waiting for the UFC to officially put UFC 87 up on their website to confirm it is in Minneapolis. They just put up UFC 86 Rampage vs Forrest so it may be a little while longer. I also have to admit I like one of the cast members of the Ultimate Fighter so that mixed with Rampage may get me to tune in even though that show is awful.

The show is a guilty pleasure of mine. I do appreciate the format, though, because this time it started off with fights to qualify instead of the UFC brass picking who gets to be on the show based on entertainment value alone (stupid, stupid, stupid). I'm waiting for that announcement as well. I hope to high heaven it is a fight for Minotauro's belt and he defends against Arlovski or Werdum seeing as Randy vanished like a fart in the breeze. I'm still very excited to see Rampage fight Forrest, though. This will be the true test as to whether Forrest is for real and if he can indeed make that leap to top-tier fighter. I don't think he'll win, though. Juanito has Page's boxing at its apex and he only gets sharper each time out. I also feel that some people have a false impression that Forrest is a god because he had one arm and beat a Shogun with only one leg and zero cardio.

 

["Rush" GSP]

Is it just me or has anyone else really taken a disliking towards Matt Serra. On TUF i wasnt a fan of his but i didnt dislike him. I thought he was loud on the show just cause the cameras were there. After Serra vs St Pierre , GSP said alot but never anything flatout disrespectful. Serra then comes back calling GSP frenchy and peppie le pew, and to go drink some red wine. This to me sounds of a guy who is nervous and trying to throw GSP off his game cause he knows he cant beat a focused St. Pierre. Where is this verbal tyraid coming from GSP never called him a ginnie or anything. I believe Serra knows his tainted time on top is done and he is trying to get as much publicity as possible before fading. To quote GSP "my job is to destroy Matt Serra". I'm buying the ppv and i am a huge GSP fan but i hope St Pierre drops him in early first round. Then Matt Hughes destroys that prick Serra too.

 

[Kasey]

Serra just responded to comments GSP made in an interview roughly two weeks after the fight in which St. Pierre flip-flopped from just admitting defeat and taking the loss in stride to coming up with excuses as to why he lost. I feel Serra had every right to say what he did because even though I'm not his biggest fan, he wasn't the one who tapped out to strikes at the end of the night. Do I think he has a chance at beating St. Pierre now? No. I think everything converged in the positive for Serra the first time around and he really came up roses due to circumstance.

Serra spent the last year dealing with Joe Scarolla and the TUF crap while Georges dismantled one of the most highly-touted wrestlers in UFC history by beating him at his own game and then dominated the winningest welterweight in UFC history for a second time (and even worse than the first thrashing he laid on him). I think everything is St. Pierre's momentum-wise, but he should've been man enough to tell the truth about his lax attitude and his partying because he was asleep at the wheel and Serra definitely fed him a massive dose of humble pie. I'm just hoping for a competitive fight this time out because Georges actually woke up and realized that he can't sleep his way through being a champion. Lesson learned hopefully.

 

[Slim Pickns]

The show is a guilty pleasure of mine. I do appreciate the format, though, because this time it started off with fights to qualify instead of the UFC brass picking who gets to be on the show based on entertainment value alone (stupid, stupid, stupid). I'm waiting for that announcement as well. I hope to high heaven it is a fight for Minotauro's belt and he defends against Arlovski or Werdum seeing as Randy vanished like a fart in the breeze. I'm still very excited to see Rampage fight Forrest, though. This will be the true test as to whether Forrest is for real and if he can indeed make that leap to top-tier fighter. I don't think he'll win, though. Juanito has Page's boxing at its apex and he only gets sharper each time out. I also feel that some people have a false impression that Forrest is a god because he had one arm and beat a Shogun with only one leg and zero cardio.

The format this year is a lot better. I hated last year because, while under heavy fire from the media about being a bloodsport, the trailors for the show showed the guys talking shit and fighting in the house with each other. It then ended with one of the guys tearing someones room apart then spitting in it before slamming the door. It really makes Joe Rogan have to work that much harder to try and get word out that this is a real sport.

I am excited to see Rampage/Forrest, I just want them to make the next announcement because its rumored to be in Minneapolis and feature the Lesnar Coleman fight, which will have no impact but still exciting to watch.

I will be ordering the event this weekend, my first UFC at my new house.

 

[Kasey]

The format this year is a lot better. I hated last year because, while under heavy fire from the media about being a bloodsport, the trailors for the show showed the guys talking shit and fighting in the house with each other. It then ended with one of the guys tearing someones room apart then spitting in it before slamming the door. It really makes Joe Rogan have to work that much harder to try and get word out that this is a real sport.

I am excited to see Rampage/Forrest, I just want them to make the next announcement because its rumored to be in Minneapolis and feature the Lesnar Coleman fight, which will have no impact but still exciting to watch.

I will be ordering the event this weekend, my first UFC at my new house.

For trying to legitimize the sport, Dana and the Fertittas are going about it in the most ass-backwards way possible (and have been since the TUF saga began). They still show the stupid gladiator packages before the fights. That's the last morsel of imagery the sport needs to be associated with. The reality show just compounds that because Dana will lambaste the fighters for doing stupid shit, yet they lock them in a house for hours on end with zero outlet for recreation other than a pool table and swimming pool so that they go nuts and act like assholes on camera.

If the UFC was so high-and-mighty and actually stuck to their supposed principles, then the stuff like the Marlon Sims streetfight on the patio wouldn't have ever been put on the air. It's the last thing I'd like to see as a person's lead-in to the sport because it makes the guys look like the meatheads MMA's opponents believe them to be. Don't get me wrong, I like to watch TUF (and pretty much anything MMA except Tapout and Iron Ring...because they both suck dick), but if they're trying to penetrate the mainstream sports market and permanently entrench MMA into the sports world and try to supplant boxing, then they needs to get their fucking heads into the game.

Rogan won't have to do anything at UFC 83 because Florian will be filling the color spot on this next event (I'll have to find out why Rogan is out). I hope they do announce the Minnesota event because I'd like to see Lesnar get in there and take a shit-kicking at the hands of old Coleman just to piss off Dana for dumping a truckload of money on sight unseen.

 

[Slim Pickns]

I have this feeling that Rogan is in the doghouse, but the UFC keeps him around because he's so good he makes Mike Goldberg seem almost bearable. When Rogan was on ESPN he said he hates the way the UFC is marketed, citing bloody logoed t shirts and the TUF commercials. This may have brought some heat on him because they have tried having others take his spot before but it never worked out.

While we are on the subject, is there a worse announcer than Mike Goldberg? Seriously, I've never heard an announcer with such a knack for emphasising the wrong words- "This Sunday Chuck "the Iceman" Liddell will take on Renato "Babalu" Sobral at THE MANDALAY BAY EVENT CENTER in Las Vegas Nevada."

 

[Kasey]

Rogan definitely has a penchant for being honest. I'm cool with that, too. I even heard a radio interview where he talked up Fedor. I bet that made Dana love him even more. He looks fried at some of the events, though, so I'm hoping that he's not controlled by the substances like Dana reportedly has been (boozing). I like his commentary and he's a funny dude. He's no Stephen Quadros, but that's cool with me. However, if I ever hear him say that someone has "world-class" anything ever again, it'll be too soon.

Goldie is an idiot with the dumbest looking smile I've ever seen, but he works well with Rogan. I love recapping some of his quotes every now and then. It makes me laugh tremendously and also makes me feel better because I know I'm not Mike Goldberg.

 

["Rush" GSP]

I'm personally a fan of Joe Rogan i believe he really knows his stuff and knows the fighters well too. You can tell he has a passion for MMA which i think is the most important part of a good announcer. Now he does get me going with certain things too such as "World Class"...no shit there in the UFC they are the top level fighters. And the other big one that gets me is "his conditioning is second to none, the only guy i know who trains as hard is sean sherk."

 

[Kasey]

Well, this last week in MMA was very eventful and as a fan I must say that I was very pleased with the UFC's latest outing. Seeing GSP reach mega-vindication was nothing short of electric considering the insane nature of the hometown fans of Montreal. He dominated from the opening bell and put on a true display of MMA that I don't think Serra even had a hope in hell of preparing for. I really feel for Matt Serra and he took the loss in stride. Next up, though, I hope that after Thiago Alves KO's Matt Hughes, Serra will be next in line to fight Hughes (and hopefully beat his ass like a gong as I can't stand that arrogant prick).

Otherwise, the fight card was pretty alright, by my standards. Travis Lutter has the gas tank of a clown car and deserves more heat than Kalib Starnes is getting for his track star shit during the Quarry fight. Lutter has all the talent in the world but doesn't have brain one on how to fucking use it. He needs to have a treadmill installed in his kitchen. Preferably in front of the fridge or pantry so he shows up in shape for his fights from now on. Nothing pisses me off more than a guy who squanders a powder keg of potential because he's too much of a gigantic wiener to train right.

Well, with the injury of Liddell and his mutant hamstring, we'll have to settle for a makeshift event with Matt Hughes hopefully taking the main event loss from a young gun like Alves. I do hope that Matt tries to stand with Thiago. That'd be a hoot to see.

In other happenings the Fedor/Tim Sylvia clash at Affliction's first event this summer will be the answer to my prayers. I'm dying to see if Fedor has been passed by the game, or if he'll snap Timmy's arms off and play with them (I can only hope). I need for Fedor to win because it'll piss off Dana White something fierce and will further make him look like a deluxe horse's ass. Plus, I still want the Fedor/Couture fight to have meaning and to actually take place as speculated this October. That way Fedor can say that he defeated the last three guys to wear UFC gold and EVERYONE (including Dana) will have to just admit that he's the shit.

"Inside MMA" had a slew of other top free agents potentially waiting in the wings to appear on that card. Matt Lindland, Arlovski, Rothwell, and Pedro Rizzo have all been speculated to take part. When questioned about who he'd like to fight Lindland suggested David Terrell or Murilo Bustamante. Both guys that he's lost to...and both guys that I think he'd kick the ever-loving shit out of if they fought again. Busta hasn't been the same since Hendo dropped him like a bag of dirt.

Also, Dream and HDNet have finalized a deal that will bring a whole year's worth of Dream events to American shores. I'm already frothing at the mouth to the next card as it features the eagerly anticipated rematch between Aoki and Calvancante. Plus, the first leg of the Dream Middleweight Grand Prix is set to go. Hopefully, Sakuraba isn't killed, as he should've retired three years ago after embarrassing Ken Shamrock and ended things on a high note instead of risking his well being. I'm hoping for a solid showing from Denis Kang. I am bummed that Yoshihiro Akiyama isn't going to be partaking due to his nasal injury.

 

[Slim Pickns]

^^ I too was upset at Lutter's preformance, mainly because he was winning until he gassed. Instead of seeing if Franklin would make some adjustments and mount a comeback, we saw Travis flop around like a whale. Starnes performance was embarrassing. I still can't think of what was going through his head at the time. He even had the balls to talk shit after that too. He came off looking extremely immature and classless.

I love that Dream can put on a card with Kang, Lindland, and Fedor yet still have people who watch TUF not pay attention. Why watch two of the best middleweights in the world and the best pound for pound fighter when you can watch Mathew Riddle right?

Side note- I met Matt Lindland a year ago. He helped me a lot with my clinch and takedown. He is a complete badass, yet is one of the nicest and smartest guys I have met.

 

[Kasey]

I guess Starnes' excuse was that he broke his foot early on in the fight. However, with all of his running I'm just a tad more than doubtful when it comes to that excuse. If indeed, his foot was broken, then his corner should've called it before the second round began because there was no way he would've won give Quarry's straight-ahead style.

I don't think Lindland is going to be in the Dream GP (at least not in the early rounds). I just wish Dana would remove his own head from his own ass and get Lindland back into the fold because I think Lindland is one of the only middleweight outside of Dan Henderson (when he doesn't stand and trade) that can matchup against Anderson. It's funny right now because the talent gap in the 185 class is worse than when Liddell was cappin' fools back two years ago and they kept running out of Vernon White's for him to beat on.

 

[Slim Pickns]

Broken foot? Doubt it, that guy ruined his career in about fifteen minutes. The UFC will never invite him back.

Lindland would give Anderson a run for his money do to his great wrestling and clinch skills. He would easily overpower him, he would just have to get close enough first. I don't think the UFC wants to bring him in because A) He doesn't knock people out very often and B) They don't want Silva to lose.

I don't know if I posted this before but there is an interview with Dana White on Sherdog and he says flat out that he sets up different fighters with easy matches so that he can hype a fight between the two as a main event a la Bisping vs Evans. He then goes on to bitch at Pride for giving Dan Henderson a title shot against Silva because it ruined the hype for the Silva Liddell fight by giving Silva a loss (though Keith Jardine probably has something to say about that).

Speaking of Jardine, what happens if he beats Silva? Does he earn himself a title shot? He beat Forrest, Chuck, and knocking off Silva would have to earn him that number one spot. I believe without that lucky KO by Alexander, Jardine would be coach on TUF right now.

 

[Kasey]

Jardine will likely be the next title shot getter because of Chuck now being on the sidelines. I guess that Chuck was in line for ANOTHER title shot if he beat Rashad (which I think is complete bullshit). Dana went on record as saying that Chuck/Rampage III was the fight that everyone wanted to see. Yeah-fucking-right. Chuck would get dropped just as bad as the last time. He doesn't have the style or the athleticism to take it to Rampage and the only thing that saved Liddell in the Wanderlei fight was the lack of Pride rules (ala stomps and soccer kicks) and the fact that Wandy had a shit training camp and was making his first foray into a cage since his Tito Ortiz fight years ago. Chuck is a decent fighter, but the division is too damn thick with top talent and even Hackelman knows that EVERYONE in that division needs to watch out for Machida, because he was quoted regarding his dislike of the matchup between Chuck and Lyoto (because he knows Chuck is more than likely to lose that fight). Hopefully, the winner of Jardine/Silva gets a shot at the title AFTER Lyoto does when I believe he'll school Ortiz at the same event. Whatever the case is, I'm happy that these matchups we'll be seeing in the 205 class are ones that we haven't seen before. Jardine, Griffin, Silva, Evans, and Jackson are a wonderful stable of fighters and these matchups need to be made.

 

[Slim Pickns]

I glad to see you have a lot of faith in Machida blowing threw Tito. I think he is one of the best fighters at 205, but a Tito lay and pray isn't out of the question.

The division is shaping up nicely, and like I have said before Chuck and his reign were getting too repetative. He fought Randy twice, Babalu, Horn, and guys that matched up horribly against him. The new breed of the UFC 205 division is exciting.

 

[Slim Pickns]

UFC® ANNOUNCES FIRST EVENT EVER IN MINNESOTA UFC 87: SEEK AND DESTROY
KENNY FLORIAN vs. ROGER HUERTA
BROCK LESNAR vs. MARK COLEMAN

SATURDAY, AUGUST 9

So as you guys who know me can imagine, I'm pretty excited about this. Honestly, when I first started watching UFC and PRIDE I thought there was no way a would ever see a PPV card short of flying out to Vegas.

These are the only two matches announced right now but it is rumored that Minatauro will defend the Heavyweight Belt against an unamed opponent. Speaking of Nog, he and frank Mir were named head coaches of the next season of the Ultimate Fighter.

I have already joined the UFC fight club just to make sure I get tickets. I figure it will be less of a hassle and probably cheaper than buying from a scalper. I don't care what the rest of the card looks like, I'm not missing a chance to see the UFC 15 minutes from my house.

 

[Slim Pickns]

So I got even further excited for the event that is coming to my hometown. GSP was added to the card and will defend his title against Jon Fitch, a man who definately has earned a title fight. The UFC has hyped up many young up and comers, yet Fitch who was not hyped initially, has beaten most of them.

I got my tickets this morning, I purchased four because either A) someone other than me and my friend will take the other two or B) they will be easy to scalp. I'm more pumped for this than any event I've ever gone too.

 

[imdamiz]

Hopefully, the winner of Jardine/Silva gets a shot at the title AFTER Lyoto does when I believe he'll school Ortiz at the same event. QUOTE]




okay I'm not trying to start anything so don't take this the wrong...that seems to happen a lot on these boards but anyways I think that even if chuck would be able to fight at 85 that if Jardine beats silva he gets the winner of griffin/jackson because that would make 3 of the top 205-ers that he would have beaten and if wanderlei wins he still doesn't deserve a title shot because there are more deserving guys after machida but in front of silva. Silva has lost his past three fights so that pretty much eliminates him from any title contention for the next year or so at least now I think the smart thing for silva to do would be to drop to 185 lbs where I think he'd have a better shot at being a top UFC fighter but if jardine wins he deserves a title shot regardless of whether or not machida wins...now here's my predictions from ufc 84 this weekend and I'd like to see everyone else's too:


Sherk vs Penn-UFC lightweight Championship
Sherk Round 3 by ground and pound ref stoppage
Wanderlei Silva vs Keith Jardine
jardine split decision
Wilson Gouveia vs Goran Reljic
reljic tko 2nd round
Tit Ortiz vs Lyoto Machida
ortiz tko round 1 ground and pound
Thiago Silva Vs. Antonio Mendes
thiago silva unanamious decision

 

[Kasey]

okay I'm not trying to start anything so don't take this the wrong...that seems to happen a lot on these boards but anyways I think that even if chuck would be able to fight at 85 that if Jardine beats silva he gets the winner of griffin/jackson because that would make 3 of the top 205-ers that he would have beaten

Not a problem, dude. Chuck won't be fighting as his hamstring is shredded at this point and the proposed fight with Rua that was supposed to go down is likely to be staved off to the fall when Shogun repairs his knee and The Iceman fixes his hammy. True Jardine has beaten two great 205ers (and possibly a third on Saturday night).

However, he also was eaten alive by Houston Alexander (who's since been exposed as being a one-trick pony deluxe with ZERO ground game) and that dropped his stock twofold and nearly erased his KO over Griffin in the eyes of UFC matchmaker Joe Silva. On the other hand, Lyoto hasn't ever lost and holds key dominating wins against TUF alumni Stephan Bonnar, Rich Franklin, and top-ten sensation Sokodjou. All in dominating fashion.

You're on the right path, though, because this weekends 205 lb. matchups will have huge implications on the direction of the division, but if Lyoto wins against the UFC's former franchise player on Saturday, then you better believe he'll probably the next one to get a shot at the belt behind Forrest.

and if wanderlei wins he still doesn't deserve a title shot because there are more deserving guys after machida but in front of silva. Silva has lost his past three fights so that pretty much eliminates him from any title contention for the next year or so at least now I think the smart thing for silva to do would be to drop to 185 lbs where I think he'd have a better shot at being a top UFC fighter but if jardine wins he deserves a title shot regardless of whether or not machida wins...now here's my predictions from ufc 84 this weekend and I'd like to see everyone else's too:

IF Wandy loses Saturday, then he may be out of the UFC altogether. Crocop ate two losses and was released from his deal to get his sealegs back and to clear contract room for other fighters, so I don't think it'd be very different for The Axe Murderer. He needs this win and as much of a fan of Jardine as I am, I don't want Wanderlei to go, so by necessity of loving his fights I want him to win and stick around.

A drop to the 185 class could be a longer and more treacherous haul for Wanderlei. He'd have to start at the bottom, which wouldn't be a bad thing because we'd at least get to see him chew on some fresh meat. However, he'd more than likely be demolished by the surgical striking that The Spider has if he made it to a Middleweight title berth. Silva's only option at this point is to revamp his game for the cage and get a much needed win. He didn't lose to Chuck because Chuck is the superior fighter. He lost to him because he fought dumb and didn't capitalize at certain points when he had the drop on Liddell.

 

[Slim Pickns]

I don't know about you guys but I thought this was the best UFC event in years. Every match delivered on one level or another. I'll run down the big three.

Ortiz vs Machida
It wasn't the most action packed fight, especially for the dumbed down Vegas fans, but many thouroughly enjoyed Tito getting systematically picked apart. Machida got a fairly easy win, but I don't think it helped his title chances. The UFC is entertainment first and mainstream fans find him relatively boring. I can't help but think that if he fought anyone other than Tito fans would be pissing all over him for the way he fought.

Jardine vs Silva
I love both these guys. Jardine is usually a very smart fighter (not here) and Silva is the most intense and entertaining guy to ever fight in MMA. Jardine left himself open and Silva disposed of him quickly, old school style.

Sherk vs Penn
I actually saw Sherk a couple weeks ago and he looked ready. He was in great shape and very focused in his training. However, it was no suprise to anyone that Penn took him apart. Aside from cutting weight to fight the smaller Penn, Sherk had no advantages. Penn is simply too good.

Overall, this was a great event. It allowed me to get in my friends faces who said Jardine would take apart Silva, then lose a rematch with Chuck (according to them, he got robbed by the judges in that fight), proving that Liddell is "the best fighter of all time."

 

[Slim Pickns]

So we learned a lot this weekend about the overhyped MMA career of Kimbo Slice. EliteXC proved they are a second rate promotion by putting on a card of decent fights headlined by an overrated internet street fight sensation. For those who didn't see the fight, I wouldn't recomend watching it as it was a complete joke. I'm really pissed that this was the first time MMA has been live on network TV.

Kimbo came out to a huge ovation because people think he's cool for beating up fat guys on youtube. During the fight however, he flopped, he flopped big time. First of all, the man he was fighting, James Thompson, is a nobody. A man who has never fought an eilte fighter, and when he has fought anyone remotely good, he has been disposed of quickly (we're talking 14 seconds to Fedor's little brother).
However, he had no problem taking Kimbo to the ground, even in the second round when he was gassed (like I said, Thompson sucks). They come out for the last round and Kimbo is out of it, he's so tired he can barely stand. He lands two punches on Thompson that move him back and the ref steps in and calls the fight. Kimbo falls to the ground while Thompson is standing and arguing the stoppage. EliteXc had just spoon fed Kimbo a win, in the most assine way possible.

Since most of you are wrestling fans, I'll put this into perscpective for you. Imagine, for a second, that pro wrestling is real. The fights are legit and the guys chose to use moves like the RKO instead of punches. They way you can win is by pinfall, submission, or ref stoppage (if a guy keeps kicking out at two but is obviously hurt, the ref can step in). Now, imagine Triple H up against any random opponent. The Kimbo stoppage was the equivalent of Triple H kicking someone in the gut, hooking one arm for the pedigree, and the ref calling a TKO right there. This stoppage was embarrasing, and I challenge any Kimbo fans to come in and justify it.

 

[neilvandam v2.0]

Kimbo was gassed but remember this is only his 3rd fight............and the one against tank where tank was in there as a human punching bag doesn't constitute an MMA fight. I though Kimbo did a good job of reversing submission and getting off the mat.............didn't thompson try and wrestle the ref after because he was out on his feet, just because he didn't do a face flop (tank) doesn't mean he wasent in danger of getting extremely hurt or killed.......Thompson didn't know his name,the city he was in...........or who he was fighting when the ref stopped it.

At least they are smart enough to give kimbo a slow build, unlike lesnar who's MMA experience is about 25 sec, and now he's most likely to be beat again against Herring who's also a veteran and knows his way around they octogon.

 

[Slim Pickns]

Kimbo was gassed but remember this is only his 3rd fight............and the one against tank where tank was in there as a human punching bag doesn't constitute an MMA fight. I though Kimbo did a good job of reversing submission and getting off the mat.............didn't thompson try and wrestle the ref after because he was out on his feet, just because he didn't do a face flop (tank) doesn't mean he wasent in danger of getting extremely hurt or killed.......Thompson didn't know his name,the city he was in...........or who he was fighting when the ref stopped it.

At least they are smart enough to give kimbo a slow build, unlike lesnar who's MMA experience is about 25 sec, and now he's most likely to be beat again against Herring who's also a veteran and knows his way around they octogon.

I'm not saying that the slow build is a bad thing, the hype is. The announcers kept calling Kimbo the undefeated sensation, and continually talked about how dominant he is. They even went as far as comparing him to Tiger Woods dominance on the PGA tour. Not to mention HE WAS IN THE MAIN EVENT!

Everyone talks like Kimbo is this unstopable force, but he couldn't even put away James Thompson. Thompson was rocked, but not out, not even close. Kimbo was more out of it then he was, as evident by him immediately dropping to the mat after the ref stepped in. Thompson shoved the ref because he was arguing the stoppage, not because he thought he was fighting him.

As for your comparison to Lesnar, Brock is far superor to Kimbo. In cardio and in skill. Kimbo is a hack, no question.

 

[neilvandam v2.0]

Well I'm down with Brock having more skill than Kimbo..........but while Kimbo just went 3 rounds in an MMA fight (even though his opponent wasen't the greatest) is experience that Kimbo can learn from..........I'm sure he's going to work on his cardio after this fight............and just because Thompson lost in 14 sec before.........doesn't make him a complete pile because anything can happen in MMA..........and you also can't blame ELITE for trying to build around Kimbo,because he was the only reason I tuned in.........along with the rest of the world!!!!! Dana would be smart to hrab Kimbo and throw him in with Lesnar when he can,that fight would generate 100 million buys!!!!