The ufc sucks! Most of the fighters there have no talent. I don't consider a win by an arm bar exciting. They just take guys to the ground and then while they are there they move around like snails. That is why you need to appreciate organizations like WCL where they're forced to keep the action going. Also chinese boxing has been making great strides as well. These two organizations can actually put on a show. I use to watch ufc but it isn't anything for me still at this point. I'm through with it, I'm done. Just got sick of the same lame matches over and over again.
What?Are you saying this about a company who has had over 50 classic matches and some of the best fighters in the world?Of course theres gonna be matches where the action isn,t great but check out the end of Cro Cop getting KTFO out at UFC 76 or Jackson vs Liddell.The latter was a great match.Whatever you say,The UFC is excellent in every way.
"Rush" GSP
Cena Regains At SummerSlam.
are you kidding??? what pplanet do you live on? UFC is the big leagues of mma and every fighter strives to make it there. UFC has the best competition. I dare you to name me a trio better than Anderson Silva, GSP, and Rampage Jackson.
Kasey
Connoiseur of the MILF
Uh, what? I hope this is a really clever trolling attempt. If it is, kudos, if it isn't, your parents should've been sterilized. Chuck Norris sucks. The WCL sucks. All of their "talented" fighters gas like eight-year asthmatics and kick like a bunch of wieners which is why that league has two years before folding at best. Just because you can't actually grasp what's going on in an MMA match doesn't mean it is easy to do. There is a reason it is the fastest growing sport in America...and it damn sure isn't because it doesn't take talent. You sound like you've watched a bunch of MMA from your very astute and balanced opinions on the subject. I implore you to keep discussing this. You're entertaining me.
Machida's style will consfuse and stymie Tito's meat and potatoes offense. Not to mention that Tito has had zero cardio in his last couple of fights and his once-famed intensity is a smoke screen considering he hasn't finished a fight with anyone not named Ken Shamrock since around 2001. He's spend too much time working the "guard" with Jenna Jameson and not doing what he should be doing and switching to a new camp to stop his sucking. Machida will win and then go on to likely take the belt. Mark my words. Even Liddell's coach Hackelman has gone on record as saying that Machida is the one guy he doesn't want for Chuck to have to face. Rightly so.
I hope Kid one day will come to the WEC because I'd love to see him square off with that stable of fighters if he has to stay at featherweight. I salivate at the prospect of him fighting Swanson, Curran (in a rematch), Pulver, or even the almighty California Kid himself. I love Kid because he is one of the few featherweights who has KO ability on a sort of normal frequency. Otherwise, a part of me would like to see him put some meat on his skinny frame and bulk up ten pounds to square off with Gomi.
Kasey
I'm sorry I don't like the idea of grown men rolling around on the ground making gay love. Well excuuuuzz me. I apologize. Well if ufc acquires cung lee then maybe I'll watch. That guy has some potential to put on a good match. He is 5-0 now.
That doesn't make any sense!
If you don't like the idea of "grown men rolling around on the ground making gay love" then watch boxing. The rolling around is the most technical part of an MMA match. and just to let you know MMA means Mixed Martial Arts, meaning not just standing and punching. Now don't get me wrong the stand up part of MMA is generally more entertaining (look for Melvin Guillard vs Ricky Davis he insane knockout)
Capt. Charisma
Getting Noticed By Management
MMA is a mixed bunch sometimes you will get a great fight with two guys kicking the absoloute shit out of each other, and sometimes you get two guys rolling around on the floor like idoits. Thats not to say that there haven't been entertaining technical matches, frank shamrock quite often had entertaining matches and he was a submission specialist. I have to admit though I just love it when they kick the shit outa each other loved stephenson v edwards, blood everywhere absoloute carnage.
Kasey
Connoiseur of the MILF
This coming from someone on a pro-wrestling message board, no less. What, the MMA guys don't wear enough spandex for your taste? Not enough ab polish? Look, I'm a fan of both, but you're rationale is as foolish as it is transparent. Actually, Cung is 6-0 as of last weekend, but I would already expect such an MMA expert as yourself to know that seeing as you obviously have such a balanced and credible perspective on the sport. It's blatantly apparent that MMA isn't your cup of tea. We get it. Just don't try to "explain" it to us, because it just continues to further entrench my nausea for reading what you type (which I thought I'd escaped when I stopped posting in the other sections of the forums).
Yes, it does make sense (even moreso after the reply you sent). I was directly insulting your intelligence for starting a string of lovely posts in this section of the forums when you obviously know jack shit regarding MMA. I was also alluding to what I felt was my desire for your parents never to procreate so that I and the other MMA fans in this little corner of WZ don't have to read the crap you type. You don't like MMA? Great. Go grace the rest of the forums with your presence and please leave us the fuck alone.
I don't ever mind discussion with someone who knows what is going on with the topic...however do not try to climb in here and bash something you have no concept of.
Slim Pickns
Has Been Drafted To RAW
We are a little over two weeks away from UFC 83 which should be a below average card with a solid main event. Everyone knows the lead up to GSP vs Serra 2. The only thing that seems off is that Serra is the Champ while GSP is holding the interim title. It feels like Serra is the challenger for his own belt, due to GSP fighting twice and Serra never since they first met.
The Travis Lutter vs Rich Franklin fight has me intrigued for some reason. The UFC wants to get Franklin a win coming off his loss to Anderson Silva so they are spoon feeding him an overhyped Lutter. If the UFC decided to never put on The Comeback version of the Ultimate Fighter, Travis Lutter would not be here. However, due to him sucking less than the rest of those one hit wonders, he is being touted as the Ultimate Fighter 4 winner and a great fighter. With that said, Franklin is the most beatable of all of the UFC big name stars, so Lutter could pull something out here...if he can make weight ZING!
The rest of the PPV card looks like it will be used to get the Ultimate Fighter members on TV. Kalib Starnes vs Nate Quarry is a solid match, but neither of these two are going far after this one. Michael Bisping needs a win coming off his first loss so the UFC decided to give him one, I personally hope he loses. Finally Mac Danzig is making his PPV debut, so like all the other TUF winners, he gets to fight a nobody.
We are getting together at my new house for this one but I have a feeling had I not just bought my first home that we would have skipped this one.
The Travis Lutter vs Rich Franklin fight has me intrigued for some reason. The UFC wants to get Franklin a win coming off his loss to Anderson Silva so they are spoon feeding him an overhyped Lutter. If the UFC decided to never put on The Comeback version of the Ultimate Fighter, Travis Lutter would not be here. However, due to him sucking less than the rest of those one hit wonders, he is being touted as the Ultimate Fighter 4 winner and a great fighter. With that said, Franklin is the most beatable of all of the UFC big name stars, so Lutter could pull something out here...if he can make weight ZING!
The rest of the PPV card looks like it will be used to get the Ultimate Fighter members on TV. Kalib Starnes vs Nate Quarry is a solid match, but neither of these two are going far after this one. Michael Bisping needs a win coming off his first loss so the UFC decided to give him one, I personally hope he loses. Finally Mac Danzig is making his PPV debut, so like all the other TUF winners, he gets to fight a nobody.
We are getting together at my new house for this one but I have a feeling had I not just bought my first home that we would have skipped this one.
"Rush" GSP
Cena Regains At SummerSlam.
I agree with everything you are saying. Franklin is being fed...Bisping should win. I am interested in Mac Danzig i liked him on TUF and am very interested to see him drop down to Lightweight.
GSP vs Serraa does feel as though GSP is defending the title. I read an article somewhere about GSP being at a Montreal Canadians game and he got put on the big screen and the place went nuts. The article also saidf be prepared to hear the loudest ovation in UFC history. I predict GSP winning in the first round or early second.
GSP is my favorite fighter so i'm buying the ppv specifically for him but i knkow i will probably be a little disappointed by the overall card.
UFC 84: Ill Will should be a good card though.
Kasey
Connoiseur of the MILF
A part of me feels bad for Matt Serra. He's arguably going into the most biased crowd in the history of MMA and you know he's going to get booed like crazy because of the verbal sparring between he and "Rush" in the past months (specifically his "Fuck you, Frenchie!" comments). I do think that GSP has evolved even moreso than when he defeated Hughes the first time and being that he's more motivated than ever...it just doesn't say good things for Serra. In a recent interview, Serra kind of tugged at my heart strings a bit when he stated that he'd been watching Rocky IV as of late to become inspired. He truly understands his place in the welterweight pantheon as being the true one to million shot who actually made good. That doesn't mean his nasally voice still doesn't give me that "nails on a chalkboard" kind of sensation. The one bright spot I can see with Serra being slaughtered is that it'll clear the way for the grudge match between he and Matt Hughes. I wanted to see those two mix it up since episode 1 of their edition of TUF. Mainly because I think Hughes is an egomaniacal and self-righteous piece of shit and I'd like nothing more than to watch him eat crow (and a shitload of leather) in a fight against Serra.
The Lutter/Franklin matchup is a moot point considering both of them have fought Anderson Silva and lost horribly. The only 185er currently on the roster who could take Anderson to a decision (if he actually followed the fucking gameplan instead of wanting to trade with Silva) is Henderson. There hasn't been this big of a gap in talent between champion and challengers since the days when Dana White ran out of guys to have Chuck slap around. The only true solution isn't Lutter and Franklin fighting, and it's definitely not using this season of TUF to sift through middleweight prospects because the division has been turned upside down by The Spider. Rather, it's Dana removing his head from his ass and signing some other top level talent from outside of the UFC. Namely Lindland, Misaki, Manhoef, or even Akiyama. Otherwise, they'd better hope that Henderson's age doesn't play a factor if they try to give him another run for that belt because he's the only guy who has won even a single round against Silva and if he would've stuck to the proper strategy and kept smothering Anderson on the floor instead of trying to outstrike him (stupid, stupid, stupid) he could've eeked out a decision win.
The remainder of the card will have some interesting matchups, but I don't think many of them (if any at all) will have many serious repercussions on their respective divisions. I'm interested to see how Danzig will make the transition from welter down to lightweight. I also am a fan of Quarry and absolutely loved his last fight against Pete Sell because it was a slugfest straight out of Rocky. Not much head movement...but there sure as hell was forward movement.
The Lutter/Franklin matchup is a moot point considering both of them have fought Anderson Silva and lost horribly. The only 185er currently on the roster who could take Anderson to a decision (if he actually followed the fucking gameplan instead of wanting to trade with Silva) is Henderson. There hasn't been this big of a gap in talent between champion and challengers since the days when Dana White ran out of guys to have Chuck slap around. The only true solution isn't Lutter and Franklin fighting, and it's definitely not using this season of TUF to sift through middleweight prospects because the division has been turned upside down by The Spider. Rather, it's Dana removing his head from his ass and signing some other top level talent from outside of the UFC. Namely Lindland, Misaki, Manhoef, or even Akiyama. Otherwise, they'd better hope that Henderson's age doesn't play a factor if they try to give him another run for that belt because he's the only guy who has won even a single round against Silva and if he would've stuck to the proper strategy and kept smothering Anderson on the floor instead of trying to outstrike him (stupid, stupid, stupid) he could've eeked out a decision win.
The remainder of the card will have some interesting matchups, but I don't think many of them (if any at all) will have many serious repercussions on their respective divisions. I'm interested to see how Danzig will make the transition from welter down to lightweight. I also am a fan of Quarry and absolutely loved his last fight against Pete Sell because it was a slugfest straight out of Rocky. Not much head movement...but there sure as hell was forward movement.
Though when they fall to the ground and start making passionate love during the middle of a match that's when I draw the line. Even I have my limits. How dare they start having a honeymoon at fans expense, that's just unacceptable. The ref really should tell them to get a hotel.
If I want to see a turtle vs a 3 toed sloth then I would just watch nova. I don't need to see this type of match in the form of ufc fight night.
That was a typo. 6 is next to 5.
OK
And here I thought I was entertaining you.
I feel insulted. You did not insult my intelligence so once again it made no sense.
Slim Pickns
Has Been Drafted To RAW
^^If you see an MMA match as two guys making love than thats your problem. Maybe you should have your head examed and take care of your personal problems before you come into a thread devoted to something you know nothing about and make fun of it.
MMA is a legit sport, more so than wrestling is, yet it gets crapped on for either being too violent or not violent enough. I practice jujitsu myself and find the ground game very interesting when two pros go at it. If you don't like it, don't watch it and don't talk about it. MMA is mainly on PPV and is only on once or twice a month so its fairly easy to avoid.
MMA is a legit sport, more so than wrestling is, yet it gets crapped on for either being too violent or not violent enough. I practice jujitsu myself and find the ground game very interesting when two pros go at it. If you don't like it, don't watch it and don't talk about it. MMA is mainly on PPV and is only on once or twice a month so its fairly easy to avoid.
(trunksjmd) Though when they fall to the ground and start making passionate love during the middle of a match that's when I draw the line. Even I have my limits. How dare they start having a honeymoon at fans expense, that's just unacceptable. The ref really should tell them to get a hotel.
Ill say it once more, if you don't like that they go to the ground and fight, then watch Boxing they will never go to the ground and "make love"
(trunksjmd) If I want to see a turtle vs a 3 toed sloth then I would just watch nova. I don't need to see this type of match in the form of ufc fight night.
UFC=MMA(Mixed Martial Arts), UFC doesn't = Boxing(Standing and Punching nor Ground and Pound) just thought i might clear that one for you
Ill say it once more, if you don't like that they go to the ground and fight, then watch Boxing they will never go to the ground and "make love"
(trunksjmd) If I want to see a turtle vs a 3 toed sloth then I would just watch nova. I don't need to see this type of match in the form of ufc fight night.
UFC=MMA(Mixed Martial Arts), UFC doesn't = Boxing(Standing and Punching nor Ground and Pound) just thought i might clear that one for you
Kasey
Connoiseur of the MILF
Passionate love? I love this straw-man argument from one of the brightest posters this side of PaulWall. Automatically, your feeble excuse for not understanding ground fighting is to equate it with something sexual. I guess you see what you see when you watch a fight happen to take place on the ground. I see two guys looking for submissions and strikes...you see a gay love fest. At least I know what you look for now when you watch the stuff.Though when they fall to the ground and start making passionate love during the middle of a match that's when I draw the line. Even I have my limits. How dare they start having a honeymoon at fans expense, that's just unacceptable. The ref really should tell them to get a hotel.
If I want to see a turtle vs a 3 toed sloth then I would just watch nova. I don't need to see this type of match in the form of ufc fight night.
That was a typo. 6 is next to 5.
OK
And here I thought I was entertaining you.
I feel insulted. You did not insult my intelligence so once again it made no sense.
Great. Go watch Nova.
Proofreading is a bitch, isn't it?
You have been entertaining me. That still doesn't mean you don't type complete shit on a regular basis.
I was mistaken. You have no intelligence to insult.
Oh I see a fight alright. A fight to resist the flames of passion that have engulfed there feelings for each other. These two guys really love each other too, at times theyre even holding each other so tight for so long not moving that the ref needs to tell them to break it up because its too much. Seriously though, is this the type of boringness that has to be shoved down the viewers throats? And no the wcl does not suck. I respect those type of organizations because they care about the fans. They actually care about giving the fans more for there buck. I appreciate them and respect what they are doing. The octagannys have a small number of move sets that are actually entertaining come crunch time and have shown no signs of increasing there arsenals. Its just the same old stuff over and over. Believe me I am one of the first of many who will get tired of this lackluster quality show.
Its good enough for you to react to it.
I don't see the point of this part of your post because it's similar to the quote below.
Actually, the lowest gpa I've ever had was a 3.0. So for the third time you are quite off.
Slim Pickns
Has Been Drafted To RAW
Oh I see a fight alright. A fight to resist the flames of passion that have engulfed there feelings for each other. These two guys really love each other too, at times theyre even holding each other so tight for so long not moving that the ref needs to tell them to break it up because its too much. Seriously though, is this the type of boringness that has to be shoved down the viewers throats? And no the wcl does not suck. I respect those type of organizations because they care about the fans. They actually care about giving the fans more for there buck. I appreciate them and respect what they are doing. The octagannys have a small number of move sets that are actually entertaining come crunch time and have shown no signs of increasing there arsenals. Its just the same old stuff over and over. Believe me I am one of the first of many who will get tired of this lackluster quality show.
Its good enough for you to react to it.
I don't see the point of this part of your post because it's similar to the quote below. Actually, the lowest gpa I've ever had was a 3.0. So for the third time you are quite off.
Its time for you to leave this thread. If you don't like MMA then don't watch and don't talk about it, ITS THAT SIMPLE.
If you think the UFC is the same thing over and over than you are one of the few. The UFC was the most successful company on PPV in 2007, so people continue to watch whether you will acknowledge that or not.
Your lack of knowledge and grasp on the sport show that you have maybe only seen one or two events. Sometimes a PPV is boring due to two fighters having similar styles or two guys gassing due to fatigue. More often than not however, the events deliver.
As for the WCL, if they are so great why do their events, which are free, get less attention and ratings than the UFC? Thats because its not even in the same leauge. You have no clue about MMA, so don't talk about it.
Kasey
Connoiseur of the MILF
The fact that you see WCL as anything even remotely resembling a decent sport is clearly indicative of your ignorance towards combat sports in general. It's like someone picking Arena League over the NFL. The WCL is full of F-grade fighters who I would guarantee to have their asses handed to them if they ignored there instincts and stepped into the cage/ring with a serious MMA fighter. Same old stuff over and over? Please elaborate so I can get a gander at your well-rounded view of what makes a sport worth watching. I'd also like to hear exactly how much you know about MMA in general. I'm also sure the rest of us in here would love to hear more of your astute viewpoints and seemingly endless supply of knowledge about the root topic.Oh I see a fight alright. A fight to resist the flames of passion that have engulfed there feelings for each other. These two guys really love each other too, at times theyre even holding each other so tight for so long not moving that the ref needs to tell them to break it up because its too much. Seriously though, is this the type of boringness that has to be shoved down the viewers throats? And no the wcl does not suck. I respect those type of organizations because they care about the fans. They actually care about giving the fans more for there buck. I appreciate them and respect what they are doing. The octagannys have a small number of move sets that are actually entertaining come crunch time and have shown no signs of increasing there arsenals. Its just the same old stuff over and over. Believe me I am one of the first of many who will get tired of this lackluster quality show.
Its good enough for you to react to it.
I don't see the point of this part of your post because it's similar to the quote below. Actually, the lowest gpa I've ever had was a 3.0. So for the third time you are quite off.
So is the average trolljob, but then again I'm frequenting a wrestling website, so sometimes I do have to deal with the lowest common denominator. In this case, that's you.
My initial comment still stands. There's the point and it flew over your head multiple posts ago. Give it up, because if your feeble brain hasn't understood yet...then it never will.
Kasey
Connoiseur of the MILF
Because trunks is entertained by things that go flash and boom. That and he definitely appreciates the majesty of Chuck Norris and his beard.
The fact that I like action packed excitement is a measure of my ignorance? I like seeing something that resembles an actual fight. Not two guys hugging each other. Dani white has labeled ufc as a sport. I dont want a sport I want a fight. If people find slow moving action and guys hugging each other to be excitement then good for them. They can enjoy there slow moving porn.
You judge a fight based on outcome rather than content?
I think Ive already pointed out what makes something worth viewing with my comments about lots of action. Nonstop action makes a fight worth viewing.
You want me to point out specific holds and moves which I have found boring.
Believe me you do not want me to do that, it will just makes things worse for you. You probably have some idea already of how you want to argue against me in this department. If fact youve probably have had thoughts about it here and there for the past few days. Or else you wouldnt have asked. Believe me this would be a mistake. You do not want to use whatever you have planned to say about proving how certain moves and holds are not boring in an argument against me.You dont have to deal with anything. Nobody is forcing you to. If my post are really really really sooo bad, yet theyre tantamount to the average trolljob in your words, yet you keep responding to the average trolljob, then you have surely set a low standard of what you reply to on a regular basis.
The fact that I refuted your attempts to insult my intelligence using dare I say it logic and reason, seems to have flown over your head.
Give it up? You make it sound like Im really trying or something when it comes to defending myself against you wannabe insults. It takes no effort to defend against your insults which go nowhere and make no sense.
Kasey
Connoiseur of the MILF
You don't understand the intricacies of the ground game, and that's fine. Then you're just like every third standard UFC "fan" who boos at each event the first time a fight hits the floor and worships Chuck Liddell. Cluelessness obviously isn't a crime, so I don't know why I should hold you to those standards. Wishful thinking. You like excitement and base your appreciation (or lack thereof) for MMA on that, which is fine. However, it is a sport, so you should understand that going in. Hence, wasting your time in a thread dedicated to the the fucking sport. If you want a "fight" go watch Kimbo Slice videos on youtube and then hit up Felony Fights. That shit should be right up your action-packed alley. Being uneducated about something isn't a crime. Trying to dog on it when you are is just foolish, though.
I can judge both and some fights are better than others, but seeing as it is a real sport and isn't a work like wrestling I don't hold it to the same standards as wrestling in terms of excitement and content because IT'S REAL. You can't always determine whether a shoot will be exciting or not because it isn't pre-planned. I enjoy the competition and am actually interested in who wins. Just like when I watch basketball, football, baseball, or even the X-games.
Please. Hit me with your best shot. Give me some specific examples of fights since you're obviously up-to-date on MMA as a whole and can make the most informed of decisions on the subject. Otherwise, do what I initially suggested and pull a dicktuck and get to steppin'. I'm willing to bet your plethora of MMA knowledge is enough to leave me speechless.I think Ive already pointed out what makes something worth viewing with my comments about lots of action. Nonstop action makes a fight worth viewing.
You want me to point out specific holds and moves which I have found boring.
You didn't use logic and reason because the point went over your head. You refuted jack shit. No amount of animated smilies is going to make up for your lack of intelligence. And I still think your parent's should've been sterilized before you were born. Other people in this thread have already come after you as well, so it's no divine coincidence that you graced us with your presence and were treated like a fucking leper. You jumped in on a thread based on actual discussion about MMA and tried to light a bag of shit on the doorstep and run. You don't know the root topic but instead jumped in here to shoot your mouth off instead of lending to the actual discussion. WCL might be on now, so if you're busy I can wait for a "reply."You dont have to deal with anything. Nobody is forcing you to. If my post are really really really sooo bad, yet theyre tantamount to the average trolljob in your words, yet you keep responding to the average trolljob, then you have surely set a low standard of what you reply to on a regular basis.
The fact that I refuted your attempts to insult my intelligence using dare I say it logic and reason, seems to have flown over your head.
Slim Pickns
Has Been Drafted To RAW
According to the Red Devil Team, Fedor will be headlining the July Adrenaline MMA PPV against former UFC Heavyweight Champion Tim Sylvia. No idea whether or not this is true but they named a date and venue so take it for what its worth.
If this is true, I think Tim's in trouble. He had been talking so much shit about how he could woop Fedor when Tim was UFC Champion and Fedor was PRIDE Champion and I don't think he'll be able to back his words up. Anyway, what are your thoughts on this potential(?) fight between two former world champs with completely different games.
If this is true, I think Tim's in trouble. He had been talking so much shit about how he could woop Fedor when Tim was UFC Champion and Fedor was PRIDE Champion and I don't think he'll be able to back his words up. Anyway, what are your thoughts on this potential(?) fight between two former world champs with completely different games.
from what i heard the fedor vs tim sylvia fight was going to be on HDNet Fight's not on PPV i would rather it be on PPV because i am not able to get HDNet but i heard it was going to be on HDNet and co-promoted between Adrenaline MMA and affliction
either way it should be an ok fight i think fedor will win but tim always has that puncher's chance
either way it should be an ok fight i think fedor will win but tim always has that puncher's chance
The intricacies of the ground fight are boring. key locks, kimuras, guillotines, reverse arm submissions, tri-angles, rear nakeds, counterweight switching and arm bars are all boring. Yeah theres a lot going on there, a lot of boring. People who like Liddell are third rate? Do you know these people? Felony fights are fun. Kimbo slice hits hard.
I love basketball and the X-games. Action packed. I just started watching football. Cant stand baseball, although my brother in law loves it.
Is refuted by
It logically explains away an accusation. Logic. Its easy to reason. Reason.
Your metaphors are quite high class.
Youre the real tough cookie with the long history of breaking little hearts, like the one in me ..
Actually, its not on right now, however I do need to go right now because my mother is finished making her famous marshmallow yams for dinner. So until your next post reply my unworthy nemesis.
Slim Pickns
Has Been Drafted To RAW
^^You didn't even say anthing. Kasey challenged you and all you did was come back with some pre school taunts. You keep making yourself look more and more foolish as time goes on.
I'm still waiting for the UFC to officially put UFC 87 up on their website to confirm it is in Minneapolis. They just put up UFC 86 Rampage vs Forrest so it may be a little while longer. I also have to admit I like one of the cast members of the Ultimate Fighter so that mixed with Rampage may get me to tune in even though that show is awful.
I'm still waiting for the UFC to officially put UFC 87 up on their website to confirm it is in Minneapolis. They just put up UFC 86 Rampage vs Forrest so it may be a little while longer. I also have to admit I like one of the cast members of the Ultimate Fighter so that mixed with Rampage may get me to tune in even though that show is awful.
