General MMA Discussion

[DTA3:16]

I agree with keeping this thread semi active. I have only been an MMA fan for about a year and a half but over the last half year i have really gotten into it.

As far as the Liddell/Silva fight goes i think it was a great matchup for Liddell in that Silva is a straight in your face attack kind of fighter and Liddell likes to back up and counter your strikes. In their fight i gave round one and three to Liddell but i think Silva won the second round. Seemed to me Liddell controlled almost the whole fight though.

AS far as Liddell being the "Most Overated fighter of all time" i disagree with that. Look at his at a few of hiswins two against both Tito and Randy Couture. I just dont think you can get lucky twice agianst both of them especially Couture. Am i ready to crown him the best at Light Heavyweight of all time ..NO.

As far as him versus's Rampage again for the title i actually want to see the fight. I think both guys will fight once more and then we will see a rematch. Its hard for me to say Rampage is so much better by there last matchup i mean Liddell let him sself open for one punch and it was over the roles could have been reversed that easily and we could be considering Chuck as the best of all time at Light Heavyweight right now. If i compare the Silva fight to the Jardine/Rampage fights i think Liddell had that look back in his eyes that he ahs something to prove to everyone which was lacking in his last two fights. So i welcome a Rampage/Liddell rematch late this year probably.

As far as GSP/Hughes well all i really have to say is Serra's days as champ are numbered. By this time next year i really belieeve GSP will be considered the best fighter pound for pound in MMA. I realy took a liking to him when he beat Hughes and wehn they showed him on one of those specails on Spike where they go indepth wtih their training and all. In my opinion right now he is the best well rounded fighter in MMA and its only a matter ofo time before he passes everyone as best Pound for Pound.

 

[Kasey]

I went to Matt Hughes book signing and have nothing but good things to say about him. He was extremely nice, kind of soft spoken though. He signed more than enough copies so the Barnes and Noble can still sell autographed copies today. The book is called Made In America and should probably be picked up by any fight fan.

I've already read a few snippets (particularly the ones about Tim Sylvia and also about Tito getting the shit stomped out of him by Lee Murray). Funny stuff.

As for UFC 79, I was extremely disappointed with Wandy. He is my all time favorite fighter, and one of the main reasons I had always supported PRIDE over UFC. After hearing people say Chuck could woop his ass I would just blow off such an idiotic statement. I know he is a shadow of his former self but I still think he should have been able to beat the MOST OVERRATTED FIGHTER OF ALL TIME! Yeah I said it, and I'll stand by it forever. If this fight happened three years ago, it would have been a massacre. I'd have given Chuck two minutes, thats it.

Well, the drug testing in the states is pretty strict by the majority of athletic commissions (particularly the NSAC) whereas in Japan it isn't regulated period. Wanderlei also fought Chuck's fight instead of fighting to win. The one thing blatantly apparent in the fight was that Chuck was luckier than a leaping leprechaun that it wasn't a fight under Pride rules, otherwise he would've been scraped off the canvas after Wanderlei floored him in the second round. The one thing you can rest assured on is that Chuck has no room to grow as he will not leave The Pit and he's 37 and not Randy Couture. Wanderlei will still have room to grow given his age and in time becoming more accustomed to fighting without the aid of performance enhancers. Plus, he hadn't fought in a cage competitively since Bill Clinton was President and he did pretty damn well against a guy who was supposed to be the king of the UFC.

I watched the fight with, who I refer to as, my meathead mainstream MMA fans. MMA starts and stops with Chuck and the Ultimate Fighter Show for them. I'll admit that I felt saddness to the point of almost shedding a tear as I watched Silva take combonations to the face while they yelled "KNOCK EM OUT CHUCK." Maybe I'm just biased because I own every PRIDE event ever on DVD and watching it brings me back to when I loved every MMA event, but hearing people shout for "The Iceman" over Silva seriously makes me think "what the hell sport have you been watching."

Don't worry about your friends, because Chuck and his coach are afraid of several other fighters currently jocking the top spots in the weight class. Hackleman has even gone on record as saying he wants nothing to do with Machida, and everyone knows that Rampage will kick the shit out of Chuck 99 times out of 100. Most of the standard American MMA fans only like Chuck because he gives middle-aged white guys like my dad hope and because he almost always keeps the fight standing. Most Americans have about an eighth of the comprehension of an MMA fight that the Japanese do, which is why one day I'd love to take in a K-1 or Shooto event in Japan.

As for GSP and Hughes, not much to say. I only somewhat enjoy Hughes while GSP has been a fighter I always liked. Maybe it was a fitting end for Matt to show that there are far more dominant fighters than him. He had a run simliar to Chuck, where the UFC had little competition and they protected his win streak.

Definitely. Matt was a solid champion who was probably the top guy in his weight class around 2005 or so, but I still think that B.J. and Georges were/are both superior to him (even with B.J.'s freak rib-break in his loss to Hughes). Everyone knew they were running out of options after Hughes fought Sakurai and they I knew it was real bad when they pulled Royce's old ass out of retirement to get mauled.

Anyone who writes in this thread, I would like to know who your current and all time favorite fighters are. MMA is my favorite sport and has been for a while, it seems Kasey has a great grasp on the sport so I would enjoy keeping this thread at least semi hot.

Man, there are a ton of guys that I enjoy watching, but I'm most partial to Josh Barnett, Fedor, B.J. Penn, Georges St. Pierre and Takanori Gomi. I also enjoy spinning Crocop highlights that are non-UFC. I'm always the most entertained by these guys as far as the fights they're in.

 

[DTA3:16]

From what i've been reading it sounds as if not many of you or no one gives Chuck Liddell a chance versus's Rampage for various reasons. I respect that but i disagree abit. In a five round fight i think Liddell stands a chance if it ends quick but the longer it goes the more in favor it is for Rampage.

If you all dont think Liddell can dethrown him then who in the Light Heavyweight division can?
Wanderlei Silva?
Bisping?
Evans?
Forrest?

 

[Kasey]

As far as the Liddell/Silva fight goes i think it was a great matchup for Liddell in that Silva is a straight in your face attack kind of fighter and Liddell likes to back up and counter your strikes. In their fight i gave round one and three to Liddell but i think Silva won the second round. Seemed to me Liddell controlled almost the whole fight though.

Definitely. Whichever judges chose Liddell to win all three rounds were just as fucking dumb as the head moron on UFC's nuts...Cecil Peoples (the idiot who still has the balls to defend Matt Hamill's robbery at the hands of Michael Bisping). Liddell had his moments, but the biggest missed opportunity that would've been a finished fight had this been in Pride was during the second when Wanderlei floored him. I really enjoyed the humor of the ref continually warning Wandy not to kick him while he was downed. It was then when I understood that in America Chuck is the better fighter, but even without steroids, Wanderlei still would've stomped a mudhole in his ass in Pride. Chuck was counting his blessings that the NSAC is strict on their ruleset, too.

AS far as Liddell being the "Most Overated fighter of all time" i disagree with that. Look at his at a few of hiswins two against both Tito and Randy Couture. I just dont think you can get lucky twice agianst both of them especially Couture. Am i ready to crown him the best at Light Heavyweight of all time ..NO.

In a lot of ways he was overrated and ultra-protected (Dana loves him, too). The UFC never went out of their way to book him against an orthodox striker until they fucked up and pitted him against what they thought was a "past his prime" version of Rampage that made even shorter work of Chuck than the first time he beat his ass like a gong over at the Saitama. Couture is the only credible one I'd put as a dominating win against a top-ranked opponent. Tito is riding high on his mouth and image and hasn't finished a fight against an opponent that wasn't Ken Shamrock since 2001. As for some of the others like Babalu or Vernon White, I don't exactly place them in the upper echelon of fighters in the 205 lb. class.

As far as him versus's Rampage again for the title i actually want to see the fight. I think both guys will fight once more and then we will see a rematch. Its hard for me to say Rampage is so much better by there last matchup i mean Liddell let him sself open for one punch and it was over the roles could have been reversed that easily and we could be considering Chuck as the best of all time at Light Heavyweight right now. If i compare the Silva fight to the Jardine/Rampage fights i think Liddell had that look back in his eyes that he ahs something to prove to everyone which was lacking in his last two fights. So i welcome a Rampage/Liddell rematch late this year probably..

I'd place Chuck as one of the definite longshots at ever sniffing championship gold in that company. Mainly because the guy on top at present has his number. Luck had nothing to do with that punch. It was just a faster, more succinct version of the first time Quinton kicked the shit out of him in Pride. The UFC bet big that Quinton was going to be the next in a long line of guys that Chuck ran right over. What they didn't understand was that Rampage began to hit his apex and adapted extremely well to his return to a cage. Not to mention that his boxing training with Juanito Ibarra made him a VERY dangerous striker on the feet. You may be right. Chuck may be on a comeback trail, but at the age of 37 with much more well-rounded competition in the division, I seriously doubt that he'll ever get back to anywhere resembling the spot he once held.

As far as GSP/Hughes well all i really have to say is Serra's days as champ are numbered. By this time next year i really belieeve GSP will be considered the best fighter pound for pound in MMA. I realy took a liking to him when he beat Hughes and wehn they showed him on one of those specails on Spike where they go indepth wtih their training and all. In my opinion right now he is the best well rounded fighter in MMA and its only a matter ofo time before he passes everyone as best Pound for Pound.

I'm definitely in agreeance with you on this. Serra fought and beat a lazy, cocky St. Pierre who trained for a whole two weeks before the fight and landed some bombs that most people would consider lucky. Serra needs to write Santa early and ask him to not have Georges make weight for the fight or something...because that's the only way he's getting a trip back to New York from Montreal that doesn't involve Georges physically kicking his ass back into America. I love Serra as a coach and think he's one of the best (and loudest) cornermen/trainers in the game. I do think that the last thing he needs to fight is a hungry Georges St. Pierre. I'd rather go five rounds with a polar bear than fight that. Serra will have the daunting and pretty much insane task of fighting the most complete wrestler/striker/grappler in his or maybe any weight class today.

 

[DTA3:16]

Definitely.


I'd place Chuck as one of the definite longshots at ever sniffing championship gold in that company. Mainly because the guy on top at present has his number. Luck had nothing to do with that punch. It was just a faster, more succinct version of the first time Quinton kicked the shit out of him in Pride. The UFC bet big that Quinton was going to be the next in a long line of guys that Chuck ran right over. What they didn't understand was that Rampage began to hit his apex and adapted extremely well to his return to a cage. Not to mention that his boxing training with Juanito Ibarra made him a VERY dangerous striker on the feet. You may be right. Chuck may be on a comeback trail, but at the age of 37 with much more well-rounded competition in the division, I seriously doubt that he'll ever get back to anywhere resembling the spot he once held.


I'm definitely in agreeance with you on this. Serra fought and beat a lazy, cocky St. Pierre who trained for a whole two weeks before the fight and landing some bombs that most people would consider lucky. Serra needs to write Santa early and ask him to not have Georges make weight for the fight or something...because that's the only way he's getting a trip back to New York from Montreal that doesn't involve Georges physically kicking his ass back into America. I love Serra as a coach and think he's one of the best (and loudest) cornermen/trainers in the game. I do think that the last thing he needs to fight is a hungry Georges St. Pierre. I'd rather go five rounds with a polar bear than fight that.

See I agree here and i disagree as talent wise maybe Liddell isnt as good as some guys are going to be in a year or two when it comes to being well rounded but Liddell still has that one punch knockout ability and i think at some point he's gonna get a title shot because of that and maybe even a bigger reason being that he is the biggest draw in the UFC and putting him in a title fight will generate alot of buyrates.

If this fight goes down in Montreal Serra is in trouble. If i were him i would cross the canadian border and place the belt right there and run away from GSP. The man is a scary monster. His weakest aspect of his game was his wrestling ability and he just out wrestled a two time NCAA all american. That is flat out dominance.

 

[Kasey]

^In all honesty there are a handful of guys who match up scarily against Chuck on paper, even right now. Forrest, Jardine, Rampage, Sokodjou, Shogun, and especially Machida all present style problems for Chuck. Chuck's one-punch knockout ability hasn't functioned for nearly a full year because all of the guys he's fought since he knocked Tito out (who has deplorable standup anyway) have discovered the secret to beating or at least surviving with him is to force him to circle at the center of the Octagon and not let him get locked into a counter-punching style. That's how Rampage got him to stick his face out there long enough to tag him right on the jaw and put his lights out. Jardine did the same thing because he also understood that Chuck's weakness is his ancillary strikes (like his shitty kicks) and his inability to check forced pressure on a fighter who doesn't do what Couture did and just try to charge right through him from bell to bell. Chuck spent so long fighting at the top of the heap going against handpicked fighters who had next to no striking ability that he relied on punching too much. Then when he finally fought people who pushed him out of his comfort zone, he floundered. I wouldn't mind watching Chuck go against some of the other top guys in the division, though. At least the fights would be entertaining.

 

[Slim Pickns]

Personally, I'm ready for UFC life after Chuck. He had his run against Couture which made him the fighter that he is. I'm unimpressed that he beat Tito, Babalu, and Horn. All of those fights were made because Chuck matched up perfectly against them. As soon as he got a true challenge, he was quickly disposed of. I may be biased because I never saw what the big deal was with him, and all of my friends think he is the greatest fighter ever.

I would love to see Shogun and Jackson go at it again. I think Jackson is primed to make a huge run, one far better than "The Iceman's". The only potential roadblock I forsee is Machida. He's made most of his opponents look like they've never been in a fight before. He is the only man that could get the fans doubting Rampage. I thought Rampage would silence my friends, but they still think that was a fluke punch. The didn't know they had fought once before, but when I pulled out my PRIDE collection, they refused to watch Rampage/Chuck 1 (they did watch Rampage/Silva one and two).

Assuming the next Light Heavyweight title fight is Rampage Jackson vs Forrest Griffin (which I believe is the plan) I would like Chuck to fight Machida and have Shogun return to face Jardine. Sokodjou will have to wait after getting tooled by Machida.

Moving on to other divisions, I noticed that the fight that was once labled "Interim World Light Weight Championship" between Joe Stevensen and BJ Penn is now just "World Lightweight Championship" so it seems Sean Sherk has been completely stripped of the title. Also the heavyweight match is still labled "Interim Championship" so maybe they are trying to lure Randy back.

 

[Kasey]

^Some people still are in "Rampage Denial" as I like to call it. It's typically out-of-shape white guys that Chuck gives hope to. I loved the reactions at my buddy's house when Rampage whipped the dogshit out of him and still had enough time to go back to the dressing room and finish a Hot Pocket. They were pissed! I heard the same dumb shit, too. "Fluke punch" this and "rematch" that. They had no clue that Quinton used him as a practice dummy back in the Gran Prix a few years earlier.

I'm anxious to see how Shogun adapts to life in the cage. Directly after his loss to Forrest I started to feel that maybe he was overrated, but looking at the post-fight interviews I came to find out his knee was shredded and he couldn't even run, so it was no wonder he gassed like a mo-fo against a cardio machine like Forrest. Not taking anything away from Forrest as a fighter, because I still think he was robbed in the decision loss to Tito a couple of years ago and probably would've had a better chance at dethroning Chuck. The first round was pretty much Shogun chasing (and catching Forrest) and it was obvious in the second, though, that Shogun didn't have anything near the standard gas tank he usually does (whether or not that also had to do with a lack of steroid use is anybody's guess, too).

Machida is probably the biggest X-factor in the whole division. Dana doesn't want to risk putting his stylings up against one of the top-tier guys and locking himself into a title contension that is "boring" by the average UFC moron standards. However, I think he'd give nearly anyone in the weight class a run for their money, if you ask me.

Sokodjou has to adjust to life in the cage and at only 23 years of age he has plenty of time to hone his abilities inside of a cage. He's already got markedly improved standup from his first loss to Glover Texiera and holds two insane knockout wins over two guys who were ranked light years ahead of him on the 205 lb. food chain, so I think he'll be a dangerous force in the coming years if he sticks with it.

Sherkie was stripped and I love the verbal sparring that has taken place between he and B.J. as of recent. I do think Joe Stevenson is the dark horse in this fight and would definitely be in command of a stellar upset as his win/loss record is littered with victories over fighters without half the resume of quality fights that B.J. has had. I've heard people talk about how Penn lost a large chunk of his last fights, but he also faced some of the best competition the UFC had to offer (and they weren't even in his natural weight class). I see B.J. taking this fight en route to a hell of a matchup against the Roid Shark.

 

[Slim Pickns]

Eventhough I was not interested at first, I'm getting pumped for this Stevenson Penn fight. I know Joe Daddy doesn't have the most impressive wins, but the more I think about it, the more I feel he has a chance. At first, I thought round one submission for Penn easily, but Joe is tough.

I would like to see Sherk vs Penn down the road as well. I have trained in the same gym as Sherk, we were all let down with he being stripped and dubbed "the Roid Shark," mainly because we denied his use and were 100% his appeal would be upheld. The main reason I'm into the 205 and 155 pound divisions is because they are wide open. Rampage is poised for a huge run, he could take out any of the contenders in the first round. However, Machida could also submit him, or at least grind it out on the ground and win a decision. Once BJ or Joe wins the belt they will be tested by Huerta, Guidia, and Sherk. At 170, I feel GSP has a stranglehold on the division. He won't make the same mistake of not training long enough again. At Heavyweight, without Fedor in the company, Antonio Rodrigo Nogiera will confirm Tim Sylvia's minortity to the rest of the top heavyweights and probably hold the belt for a while The wild card in that division is Brock Lesnar, we don't know what to expect from a super athlete with only one fight.

Now at 185 pounds, we have a fight I am extremely excited for. Dan Henderson, who lost a 5 round decision to Rampage, will face the unstoppable Anderson Silva. The reason I am so excited is that Dan Henderson is the 185 pound Randy Couture, if he decides he wants to train hard he can beat anyone. Anderson Silva will more than likely beat the 36 year old Hendo but I'm still gonna order this PPV, eventhough there is no undercard. The reason Anderson Silva is one of my favorite fighters is because he owned my Mainstream Meathead MMA friends. I told them all about him before he came in to fight Chris Leben, and they still said "Leben is gonna knock his ass out." The fight came on and Silva landed every single strike, EVERY SINGLE STRIKE! Leben was out in 55 seconds and my friends were silenced.

If only the Rampage/Liddel fight had that effect.

 

["The Iceman" GSP]

Eventhough I was not interested at first, I'm getting pumped for this Stevenson Penn fight. I know Joe Daddy doesn't have the most impressive wins, but the more I think about it, the more I feel he has a chance. At first, I thought round one submission for Penn easily, but Joe is tough.

I would like to see Sherk vs Penn down the road as well. I have trained in the same gym as Sherk, we were all let down with he being stripped and dubbed "the Roid Shark," mainly because we denied his use and were 100% his appeal would be upheld. The main reason I'm into the 205 and 155 pound divisions is because they are wide open. Rampage is poised for a huge run, he could take out any of the contenders in the first round. However, Machida could also submit him, or at least grind it out on the ground and win a decision. Once BJ or Joe wins the belt they will be tested by Huerta, Guidia, and Sherk. At 170, I feel GSP has a stranglehold on the division. He won't make the same mistake of not training long enough again. At Heavyweight, without Fedor in the company, Antonio Rodrigo Nogiera will confirm Tim Sylvia's minortity to the rest of the top heavyweights and probably hold the belt for a while The wild card in that division is Brock Lesnar, we don't know what to expect from a super athlete with only one fight.

Now at 185 pounds, we have a fight I am extremely excited for. Dan Henderson, who lost a 5 round decision to Rampage, will face the unstoppable Anderson Silva. The reason I am so excited is that Dan Henderson is the 185 pound Randy Couture, if he decides he wants to train hard he can beat anyone. Anderson Silva will more than likely beat the 36 year old Hendo but I'm still gonna order this PPV, eventhough there is no undercard. The reason Anderson Silva is one of my favorite fighters is because he owned my Mainstream Meathead MMA friends. I told them all about him before he came in to fight Chris Leben, and they still said "Leben is gonna knock his ass out." The fight came on and Silva landed every single strike, EVERY SINGLE STRIKE! Leben was out in 55 seconds and my friends were silenced.

If only the Rampage/Liddel fight had that effect.

I have to agree with alot you just said. At first i had no interest in Penn/Stevenson esp coming off of ordering Liddell/Silva and GSP/Hughes. As times gone on thoughi am interested in it just not enough to order it. Would order a Penn vs Sherk fight though if it happens.

I also will be ordering Anderson Silva vs Dan Henderson. I think Henderson is the only hope at Middleweight to dethrone The Spider. We know in UFC he can go the distance as he did with Ramppage but Silva is scary and has ran through everyone. My prediction for this fight is Henderson in an upset i think he'll come determined as hell after the defeat to rampage.

As far as weight classes go...
Light Heavy weight... is so deep i think they have a dominate champion at this weight class but i believe there is quite a few guys at the same time who can beat him.
Heavyweight...they really miss Couture here as the rest of the division is weak and sad in my eyes. Hopefully Lesnar can bring it back to life.
Welterweight.....i have three words to say...Georges St. Pierre

 

[Kasey]

Well, this weekend is an important one for the UFC. It'll determine exactly what the heavyweight title picture will look like for the year due to two matchups that will likely have serious ramifications in terms of who is a contender and so forth. Personally, I'd like for Frank Mir to break Lesnar's arm. Not just because I'm a fan of Mir, but because Brock's last tenures in wrestling left a sour taste in my mouth. The match I'm really looking forward to is going to be the main event for the UFC Interim Heavyweight belt. I can't stand Tim Sylvia...and every time that ******** opens his mouth it reaffirms my thought that I.Q. exams should be mandatory for people to keep their sex organs/right to breed. How sad is it that I'm handily rooting for a Brazillian to kick the shit out of an American? Pretty sad. Tim Sylvia makes me embarrassed to be from the States. Not because I don't respect his ability in The Octagon...but because he's such a tool. I pray for a Minotauro armbar VERY quickly.

 

[Slim Pickns]

^^You more than likely will get that Minotauro armbar in the first round. The fact that Sylvia is even in this fight baffles me after he was completely dominated by someone nearly 20 years older than him. If someone as old as my father beat the crap out of me for 25 minutes while I lyed there helpless, I'd retire from fighting. You should go read the interview with Sylvia on UFC.com, he talks about how he was a better heavyweight champ than Minotauro while they were both UFC and PRIDE champs respectively. Really, beating Ricco Suave for the title and defending it once against an unworthy challenger, getting busted for steriods, and then returning to have your arm broken in 55 seconds is a better reign than taking on Dan Henderson, Mark Coleman, and ultimately losing to the best fighter of all time?

UFC 80 was a letdown. BJ Penn did exectly what we thought would happen and will probably hold that belt until Sherk comes back, and he'll more than likely beat him to. Fabricio Verdum may have wiped Gabiel Gonzaga off the radar with that TKO win.

 

[Slim Pickns]

I was really hoping this thread would be lit up with people talking about the Brock Lesnar Frank Mir fight, oh well. The two heavyweight fights were the only ones with big impacts on the sport so I'll skip the other fights we saw last night.

Brock Lesnar came in with a tremendous amount of hype. He is the first fighter to headline a UFC PPV in his second fight. Frank Mir came in, the underdog for some reason, wanting to be the man who crushes the hype. He kept his cool and showed his toughness to do just that. Brock came out fast and furious but his inexperience led to an early break for hitting Mir in the back of the head. After the stand up, he plowed Mir right back down. However, when Mir spun and Brock tried to stand up, all of us watching yelled idiot! Its over. It was over fast. Brock was simply too quick to act and payed for it. Frank Mir is 1,000 steps above Min Soo Kim, Brocks first opponent whom he demolished in a minute, so he held in there when Brock was dropping bombs rather than tapout. After the crowd booed Brock at the begining of his post fight interview, he showed great class saying, he practiced exactly what happened with his coaches so it was completely his fault and he said right now, Frank Mir is the better fighter. The crowd ultimately gave Brock a very good ovation and he embraced the loss. As for Mir, this is exactly why he wanted the fight. He will most likely be next for a title shot in the lackluster division.

As for the Title Match Main Event, Tim Sylvia did what he does best- Dish out punishment and then lose. Sylvia used his reach just like he did in the Vera fight, except Minotauro is better than Brandon Vera in all aspects. Tim ended up getting swept on the ground and easily choked out. Minotauro showed his toughness by staying in there with a swollen eye to get the win.

Overall, I was extremely satisfied with this event. Only the Tyson Griffin fight didn't entertain and my meathead friends even go to see a 30 second knockout from Chris Lytle, who now, according to them deserves a title fight.

 

[MattMoses]

I watched the event on a shitty stream, since they didn't show the event here live. But anyway, from what I saw, Lesnar should have been given a warning for striking Mir on the back of the head, but I didn't see one given out. I just saw the referee restart the match, allowing Mir to recover a little. If that never happened, things could have turned out differently.

Lesnar did show some promise. With more training and experience, he will become dominant in the UFC.

 

[Slim Pickns]

I watched the event on a shitty stream, since they didn't show the event here live. But anyway, from what I saw, Lesnar should have been given a warning for striking Mir on the back of the head, but I didn't see one given out. I just saw the referee restart the match, allowing Mir to recover a little. If that never happened, things could have turned out differently.

Lesnar did show some promise. With more training and experience, he will become dominant in the UFC.

The ref took a point away from Lesnar for hitting Mir in the back of the head. Had the fight went to decision, and Brock won the first round, it would then have been a tie. The UFC uses a ten point round system, so the winner of the round gets 10 points the loser 9 or less. If Brock won the first round but not in completely dominating fashion it would have been 9 to 9. It turned out to be a non factor anyways.

I agree that Brock has a future in this sport, he's an amazing athlete and showed great class in his loss. He'll be back.

 

[Kasey]

Well, my shitty week was took a turn for the better after last night's UFC extravaganza. I'll make no bones about the fact that I figured Nogueira was outmatched (at least on the feet) and that Sylvia would jab his way to a win by a decision. I was scared shitless at the outset of the second because Sylvia was punching VERY crisply and was handily outpacing Nog on the punchstat. But Nog did what he does best: persevere. If there ever is a heavyweight that I love to root for...he is the guy. He took a Rocky-esque shitkicking from someone who even Randy Couture said was going to win and managed to find a way to tap him out with a submission hold that usually never works that deep into the fight (due to the amount of sweat on the fighters). My night was complete. All the Pride/UFC worshippers on the Sherdog messageboards are likely at each other's throats about now because THREE former Pride fighters hold title belts. A great fight and an example of why I love MMA.

As for Lesnar? He has the tools, but it's obvious that the late start in his MMA training has left a little to be desired in the decision-making and foresight department. In a perfect world, Lesnar would've taken his head off, but the hammerfist to the back of Mir's head didn't do Brock any favors. As for the restart, it happens. Brock is lucky that it didn't result in a DQ as it did in the Renzo Gracie/Frank Shamrock fight last year. The one thing that I think will prove as a detriment to Brock is that his legs are obviously not as strong as his upper body, which is why that kneebar didn't take long to do it's job. But like everyone on the UFC commentary team was saying, just give Brock some time and he'll be extremely dangerous. That's not to say that I wasn't tickled pink to see him lose, though. What's worse is that Frank Mir looked just as out of shape as he has in all of his other fights since his motorcycle accident. I would like to see Brock take on Tim Sylvia, though. That would be fun to watch. A pro-wrestler I can't stand...and an MMA fighter I loathe. Man, that's fantastic.

 

[Vendetta]

Anybody else interested in Kimbo Slice vs. Tank Abbott. They say Slice has improved vastly from his street fighting days. Especially with the training he has had. I'm hoping that maybe UFC takes some interest in him after this. Would love to see him vs. Ortiz or perhaps Lesnar.

 

[Slim Pickns]

Anybody else interested in Kimbo Slice vs. Tank Abbott. They say Slice has improved vastly from his street fighting days. Especially with the training he has had. I'm hoping that maybe UFC takes some interest in him after this. Would love to see him vs. Ortiz or perhaps Lesnar.

No, and I would encourage you not to order it either. EliteXc is an ok promotion, but you will be dissapointed with the undercard. Plus, Kimbo vs Tank is a joke for a main event.

Kimbo came in acting like a badass because he was a street fighter. Look up the video of him against UFC reject Sean Gannon. Gannon is an out of shape fatass who got worked in the UFC, yet he beats Kimbo eventhough Kimbo's crew keeps making rules in favor of him.

Bottom Line, this event is a joke and I would advise you not give it buys so that MMA promotions start to put on better events instead of glorified street fights.

 

["Rush" GSP]

Whats everyones thoughts on the up coming UFC : Pride of a Champion ppv?

I personally think it is a weak card outside Silva vs. Henderson. I will be ordering this ppv though mostly because of this match. I think it is going to go the distance and be a close fight. I can see both guys winning by a knockout but i just cant see either guy getting knockd out. In the end i think i'm gonna go with Henderson. Even if he does lose this fight though i hope people dont start saying he is done cause he lost two fights in a row. Since entering the UFC he has had two tough as hell challenges in Rampage and now The Spider.

 

[Slim Pickns]

[QUOTE="Rush" GSP;362722]Whats everyones thoughts on the up coming UFC : Pride of a Champion ppv?

I personally think it is a weak card outside Silva vs. Henderson. I will be ordering this ppv though mostly because of this match. I think it is going to go the distance and be a close fight. I can see both guys winning by a knockout but i just cant see either guy getting knockd out. In the end i think i'm gonna go with Henderson. Even if he does lose this fight though i hope people dont start saying he is done cause he lost two fights in a row. Since entering the UFC he has had two tough as hell challenges in Rampage and now The Spider.[/QUOTE]

Eventhough that fight alone feels worth the money, I think you should order it for one other fight. Evan Tanner vs Yushin Okami should be a war. Tanner hasn't fought in a while so not that many UFC fans know who he is. Yet, if you watch UFC 1-82 you won't see any fighter more than Tanner. He is the most experienced fighter they have. I was planning on going in depth talking about how this fight is underrated going into the card (I still may) but I haven't yet.

 

["Rush" GSP]

Upon your mentioning i checked out Tanner a bit and i agree that he is very experienced and that fight does have some potential. Hopefully the bar i go to that orders them sometimes will for this card cause i plan on buying april, may, and june to watch on my hd big screen with surround sound. Those three cards are looking stacked .

 

[Slim Pickns]

Check out his title defense against Rich Franklin at UFC 53. It was when he was depressed and didn't give a shit. He actually floors Franklin in the first round, then does nothing. He takes a tremendous amount of punishment before the doctor stops the fight.

He came back from a break and beat Justin Levens. During the post fight interview when they asked him what he did during the break he said "I just had to get my head out of my ass." I just like the guys style I guess.

 

[TMEWoody]

No, and I would encourage you not to order it either. EliteXc is an ok promotion, but you will be dissapointed with the undercard. Plus, Kimbo vs Tank is a joke for a main event.

Kimbo came in acting like a badass because he was a street fighter. Look up the video of him against UFC reject Sean Gannon. Gannon is an out of shape fatass who got worked in the UFC, yet he beats Kimbo eventhough Kimbo's crew keeps making rules in favor of him.

Bottom Line, this event is a joke and I would advise you not give it buys so that MMA promotions start to put on better events instead of glorified street fights.

I enjoyed this event. Kimbo looked great and I was glad to see him KO that scum bag Tank Abbott.

 

[Slim Pickns]

I enjoyed this event. Kimbo looked great and I was glad to see him KO that scum bag Tank Abbott.

Kimbo beating Tank proved nothing. Tank Abbott has won 1, thats right 1 fight in the last decade. If Kimbo wants to prove himself he's gonna have to go up against some decent fighters. I'm not saying he should go after Fedor or Minotauro right away, but calling out Tank Abbott only proved how little Kimbo knows about the sport.

 

[TMEWoody]

Kimbo beating Tank proved nothing. Tank Abbott has won 1, thats right 1 fight in the last decade. If Kimbo wants to prove himself he's gonna have to go up against some decent fighters. I'm not saying he should go after Fedor or Minotauro right away, but calling out Tank Abbott only proved how little Kimbo knows about the sport.

It was Tank that called Kimbo out. Kimbo has only ever had two MMA fights and I think Tank (as bad as he is) was a good fight choice for Kimbo. I don't think he would do very well in the UFC and his night fight (with Ken Shamrock) will be a good test for him.