Fortune= Magnifcant Seven

[schaeffershawn]

Ok so I have been thinking about this for sometime but Flair’s new group is a lot like his old group. I know when fortune began it was suppose to be the new four horsemen, but with the inclussion of Morgan and Williams that has basically gone out the door.

In the Maginficant seven you have the world champ Scott Steiner, US champ Rick Steiner, the tag team in Bagwell and Luger, the enforcer in Animal and Jarret and Flair as the other two. In todays version you have Aj as a champion althought not world champion, Williams was the other champion, you have Morgan as the enforcer, Beer Money as the tag team, and Kaz and Flair as the other guys. Both groups use the numbers game and dirty tactics to win. The only real difference is in TNA flair does not have the storyline president of the company title. I honestly would not be surprised if the EV@ fued developes into just a Flair and Kaz vs. Foley and Dreamer fued or Dreamer and Kendrick fued the way in WCW Jarret and Flair fueded with Dusty and Dustin Rhodes.

This obviously means more lazy crap booking fr0om Russo and company thinking we would not recognize the same storyline reused.

 

[Reddannihilation]

Ok so I have been thinking about this for sometime but Flair’s new group is a lot like his old group.

What gave that away? Aside from you know, Flair saying this group is the new version of my old group?

In the Maginficant seven you have the world champ Scott Steiner, US champ Rick Steiner, the tag team in Bagwell and Luger, the enforcer in Animal and Jarret and Flair as the other two.

Magnificent. Not hard. Also easiest way to expalin this, all of those guys were established wrestlers, in fact they were the WCW old guard. Also if you're including Flair in your count for the 7 and fourtune, then fourtune has 8 members.

In todays version you have Aj as a champion althought not world champion,

So there's the first part where this is already a poor comparison.

Williams was the other champion

By your logic, any title holder in a faction is a copy of anyother person to hold a title in a faction.

you have Morgan as the enforcer

Morgan and Animal don't exactly sync up much.

Beer Money as the tag team,

Just about every power faction in history has a tag team.

and Kaz and Flair as the other guys.

The Other Guys? I thought...

Both groups use the numbers game and dirty tactics to win.

Holy shit along with every power faction ever. Literally, ever.

The only real difference is in TNA flair does not have the storyline president of the company title.

There's actually a huge amount of differences, first The Magnificent Seven was a group of established names that served as President Flair's personal best of group. Fourtune is a group of young wrestlers rising to the top and feuding with older established stars.

I honestly would not be surprised if the EV@ fued developes into just a Flair and Kaz vs. Foley and Dreamer fued or Dreamer and Kendrick fued the way in WCW Jarret and Flair fueded with Dusty and Dustin Rhodes.

Ugh, you are a total douche.

This obviously means more lazy crap booking fr0om Russo and company thinking we would not recognize the same storyline reused.

They're nothing alike but good job grasping at straws. You brought up 0 actual similarities that were exclusive to both groups.

 

[Ballin247]

It probably is the same storyline recycled. Its just what happens in wrestling. Look at all the storylines going on and most are recycled versions of old storylines but with slight changes to them. The Straight Edge Society story is a lot like the Right to Censor but with some differences. Both are about groups of people thinking they are superior because they follow some morals better than others. And just look at the Nexus storyline and tell me that isn't just a second attempt at The Natural Born Thrillers. In fact Nexus is even more of a blatant rehash because its the same concept, same number of guys to start off the group, and even the same symbol of an N.
Just because an Idea is being recycled does not mean that it is bad. Sometimes bookers may feel like a certain Idea that was used was a good idea but was not given a fair chance or may have been botched. Both the Magnificent 7 and The Natural Born Thrillers could have been good storylines but were the plagued by the lame-duck status of WCW at the time. Im sure we will see more angles and stories from the past re-emerge. Its just the way things go in wrestling. If something is a good idea, why let it go to waste just because it was tried in the past?

 

[Zeven_Zion]

I'm fine if it's recycled, as long as it's entertaining to watch, I'll have no problem with it.

Thing is, just like AJ was a Flair clone in the beginning, now he's his own person. You don't see him trying to bleach his hair and talk like Flair. He developped his own heel personna, much better than the goofball heel he was before.

Same goes with Fourtune. These guys resemble the Four Horsemen, but they also resemble/will resemble the nWo, Evolution, etc. They'll be their own stable, with their own mentality and agenda, and I think they already are.

 

[Find'er Woo'er Ryder]

i like the story so far. i didnt watch it in wcw so now i get to see it happen through stars i know of haha. and by the way schaeffershawn dont pay attention to Reddannihilation. i hate when people get on your case for posting your thoughts and opinions about subjects on here. green rep for you my friend!!

 

[johnbragg]

Im sure we will see more angles and stories from the past re-emerge. Its just the way things go in wrestling. If something is a good idea, why let it go to waste just because it was tried in the past?

I agree, with some qualifications.

The biggest one has to be that you're recycling something that hasn't been done lately. If "They" turn out to be five to eight no-names with no common thread, then the Interwebs will shake with cries of "SEcond-rate Nexus!"--and rightly so. If "They" include some sort of NWO reunion, then that will be poorly received. (If Hall and Waltman hadnt been brought in January, an NWO reunion at BFG might have blown the roof off the place.) TNA just did an ECW reunion storyline, so that should be out.

"They" could be a revival of Chris Daniels' Prophecy from ROH, Jimmy Jacobs' Age of the Fall, or a combination of both, with Abyss and Raven joining up with the Powers of Darkness. That would have potential, and hasn't been done lately. (It would have a strong tendency to Cross the Line into the stupid zone, but it wouldn't rehash anything done lately.)

 

[WzTopHeel]

TNA can no afford to have factions right now they have small roster. All I see in the roster is 7 guys who wont be facing each other anytime soon. with BFG coming up all those guys in fortune should be facing each other you know fortune should have just been kept 4 guys all along. yea the booking in the last impact was recycled. exp the match with angle and hardy I totally have seen herl hebner side for one wrestler and an other referee side for another in a match with both are the winners. he did it on smackdown and the wholebeat down on dreamer is too much of a nexus style angle so tna needs to focus more on becoming the less storylined company and focus more on brutal matches not necessaily hardcore or anything

 

[WCW_Sting]

What gave that away? Aside from you know, Flair saying this group is the new version of my old group?


Magnificent. Not hard. Also easiest way to expalin this, all of those guys were established wrestlers, in fact they were the WCW old guard. Also if you're including Flair in your count for the 7 and fourtune, then fourtune has 8 members.


So there's the first part where this is already a poor comparison.


By your logic, any title holder in a faction is a copy of anyother person to hold a title in a faction.


Morgan and Animal don't exactly sync up much.


Just about every power faction in history has a tag team.


The Other Guys? I thought...

Holy shit along with every power faction ever. Literally, ever.


There's actually a huge amount of differences, first The Magnificent Seven was a group of established names that served as President Flair's personal best of group. Fourtune is a group of young wrestlers rising to the top and feuding with older established stars.


Ugh, you are a total douche.


They're nothing alike but good job grasping at straws. You brought up 0 actual similarities that were exclusive to both groups.

You're a dick. Yeah I could have just red repped you, but you deserve to be called out. Was what you said really necessary? I'll answer that for you...no, it wasn't. I'm not trying to fight schaeffershawn's battles, and he might not even care about your asshole-esque response, but I do. If he ignores it, he shows more maturity than both of us. Your response and others like it are what is wrong with this forum. Someone doesn't think like you so you pick apart everything they say with sarcasm to make yourself feel important.

But yeah, I can see the similarities in the two groups. The only difference being, of course, The Seven were well-established wrestlers. Although AJ, Kazarian, and Beer Money have been with TNA since the beginning, none of them have reached that "well-established" point yet (if that makes sense).

As always, get over yourselves and enjoy some wrestling.

 

[WarrenIronman]

You're a dick. Yeah I could have just red repped you, but you deserve to be called out. Was what you said really necessary? I'll answer that for you...no, it wasn't. I'm not trying to fight schaeffershawn's battles, and he might not even care about your asshole-esque response, but I do. If he ignores it, he shows more maturity than both of us. Your response and others like it are what is wrong with this forum. Someone doesn't think like you so you pick apart everything they say with sarcasm to make yourself feel important.

But yeah, I can see the similarities in the two groups. The only difference being, of course, The Seven were well-established wrestlers. Although AJ, Kazarian, and Beer Money have been with TNA since the beginning, none of them have reached that "well-established" point yet (if that makes sense).

As always, get over yourselves and enjoy some wrestling.

The whole ponit of fortune is take make them well-established and the future of TNA. It's not Redd that's wrong with the forum, it's people like you who don't think before they post.

 

[schaeffershawn]

To expand on my logic because certain smarks who only have a shot of getting laid by their 15 year old cousin in their moble home don't get it.

Scott was taking a title with pretty much no value left, and trying to make it mean something. AJ is doing the same thing with the TV title
Williams had a weak uninspiring title reign much Like Rick Stiener with the US title.
Morgan as an enforcer is pretty much exactly what was asked of Animal in the Maginficant 7.
Kaz being Flairs new boy is pretty much akin to his taking Jarret under his wing.
Additionally while not "seasoned vets" AJ, Kaz and Beer Money have been there since the begining and Morgan has been there long before the new influx of old talent. So switching the roles is not so much a change from the same old story as much as its just repeating the same old story.
Flairs not being teh storyline president really does not matter because that could happen at anytime and as all other storylines with big groups have shown us it is strenth in numbers that matter, but hey thanks for playing who is the biggest douchbag in the forums its been fun.

 

[The Crock]

No. I don't watch TNA all the time, I'll watch it every once in a while and even I know your comparison is way off. Fortune is unique, but it's still more similar to The Horseman. It just has more members. I mean, you tried and I commend you for that, but they don't have a World Champ... nor do they have a secondary champ in Williams. Remember, he lost to Lethal... Morgan is an enforcer... but not even close to the same as The Animal. Not a bad comparison, just not all that well thought out.

 

[DangerousDave]

Everything Flair touches turns to gold. Fortune is the Four Horseman of today and just as effective, if not more so than the originals. When I think Four Horsemen, I think Flair, Double A Arn Anderson, Tully Blanchard and Ole Anderson, four of the baddest dudes ever in wrestling. You have to admit Tommy Deamer's beat down after his whiney peace making promo with Fortune was classic Four Horsemen. I like that Fortune has more members, all the more to kick this shit out of Dreamer or any one else that gets in their way. With the many factions that TNA has, its great entertainment watching Slick Ric's maneuvering to control the company. Remember, he is the dirtiest player in the game, so there is nothing he and his boys won't do to get their way. So in the end, I'm glad Vince has the rights to the Four Horseman so Flair could expand his stable. I only wish Vinny Mac didn't own the old Horsemen hand gesture because the new one is a bitch to do.

 

[Mr Jones]

Here's the real deal about Fortune:

I'm no booker, but this Fourtune vs EV 2.0 angle seems somewhat counterproductive. The fans' reaction to AJ's diatribe is exactly what's wrong with this storyline. He indirectly pissed on TNA with his promo and said that some members of his group were around from the beginning because they had nowhere else to go. It's the harsh truth, but should AJ really be cheered for saying it? Every time Fourtune walks down the ramp with Flair leading the charge, it looks like Amateur Night at the Apollo. Should we really be taking them seriously when the group is basically made up of one main eventer(AJ), one tag team(Beer Money), and mid-carders?

Deep down, we know the 'ECW group' aren't superstars and they probably never will be, but if the fans treat them as second rate nobodies as well (by basically applauding everything Fourtune says), where is this story exactly? Its like saying 'might makes right' which isn't a compelling storyline at all. We root for the underdogs, but that is never going to happen here clearly.

The only way this storyline can even be salvaged is if they pull a swerve (like the hogan/flair feud in WCW) Where Fourtune 'ACTUALLY' become the faces and the ECW OGs become the heels.

 

[Reddannihilation]

You're a dick. Yeah I could have just red repped you, but you deserve to be called out.

Shaking in my boots mang.

Was what you said really necessary?

Yes.

I'll answer that for you...no, it wasn't.

I already said it was so

I'm not trying to fight schaeffershawn's battles,

Yeah you are.

and he might not even care about your asshole-esque response, but I do.

Dial whine one one, for the wahhhhhhhhhhhhmbulance.

If he ignores it, he shows more maturity than both of us.

Pointing out flaws = immature, burying your head in the sand = mature. You dumb?

Your response and others like it are what is wrong with this forum.

No it isn't.

Someone doesn't think like you so you pick apart everything they say with sarcasm to make yourself feel important.

Make myself feel important? Try pick apart inane nonsense that serves as nothing more than a platform to say "I hatez V.R."

But yeah, I can see the similarities in the two groups. The only difference being, of course, The Seven were well-established wrestlers.

The only difference? Try no world champion, competely different storyline, completely different wrestlers, completely different styles of wrestling and so on.

Although AJ, Kazarian, and Beer Money have been with TNA since the beginning, none of them have reached that "well-established" point yet (if that makes sense).

Kaz started in 03 and Roode started in 04. BMI didn't form until 2008. They're not established stars, they're young guys making their move up the ladder, completely different.

To expand on my logic because certain smarks who only have a shot of getting laid by their 15 year old cousin in their moble home don't get it.

U mad?

Scott was taking a title with pretty much no value left, and trying to make it mean something.

He was world champion. Not TV champion, difference.

AJ is doing the same thing with the TV title

He's defended it twice and due to it being Russo booking the emphasis in this story is placed on the characters and not the props. Which is why it's more enjoyable.

Williams had a weak uninspiring title reign much Like Rick Stiener with the US title.

A weak uninspiring title reign in which he tried to bring credibility back to the title? Nothing weak about Douglas' reign, he took out every high flier there was. Only the ending sucked.

Morgan as an enforcer is pretty much exactly what was asked of Animal in the Maginficant 7.

And Dave Batista was an enforcer for Evolution, every faction has an enforcer doesn't mean this is the same story.

Kaz being Flairs new boy is pretty much akin to his taking Jarret under his wing.

Since siding with AJ has Kaz had any showings of favouritism from Flair? No.

Additionally while not "seasoned vets" AJ, Kaz and Beer Money have been there since the begining

Kaz was there from 03 and he disappeared in 05 to go the WWE. BMI didn't form until 08 and Roode didn't join TNA until 04. Not the begining.

and Morgan has been there long before the new influx of old talent.

The new influx of old talent? What?

So switching the roles is not so much a change from the same old story as much as its just repeating the same old story.

It isn't the same story, they have completely different storylines.

Flairs not being teh storyline president really does not matter because that could happen at anytime

Coulda shoulda woulda, didn't. Different storyline.

and as all other storylines with big groups have shown us it is strenth in numbers that matter

What? What does this even mean? That's your argument, "this storyline is a ripoff because both factions use strength in numbers". Honestly that is downright stupid.

but hey thanks for playing who is the biggest douchbag in the forums its been fun.

Congratulations on winning that illustrious award.

 

[WCW_Sting]

Haha....alright man. You're obviously MUCH too smart for me. But Brits are always smarter than the "colonists" right?