First Round: Boston - Goldberg vs. Stu Hart

[klunderbunker]

This is a first round matchup in the Boston Subregion. The ring and arena are universal throughout the first round and the organization is not a factor. There is a 20 minute time limit. Vote using any criteria you like. Most votes in the poll at the end of the time period wins. In the case of a tie we will go off of the number of written votes. In the case of a second tie, both are eliminated.

Location: TD Garden, Boston, Massachusetts.

Goldberg

Vs.

Stu Hart

Voting is open for 4 days.

 

[Mr. TM]

Stu Hart.

Bill Goldberg is an overroided football player who had on ething going for him, his power. But do you know how man people have cried, grown men crying for mercy as Stu Hart took them down to the ground, and choked them out with their own foot?

There once was a story that Chris Jericho took Goldberg down in a fight once in the back, and held the giant man down with a shoot submission. Guess whose influence taught Jericho that submission? Guess who was a lot better at submissions than JEricho? Stu Hart.

Just watching Goldberg face against DDP the other day, I saw Goldberg come right up into Page's face. That is all Stu needs to take him down, lock Goldbergs fingers into his asshole, and shove his foot between him and make a nice old pretzle.

 

[GenMe]

Stu Hart is just the man, he had the best submissions man ever known. Look at all the wrestler he had trained, and all those other wrestler had and still have a lot of success from all that traning. Stu was just the best of what he did.

Bill Goldberg will never be in Stu's level, Yeah he might be a power house monster but that's it.

I vote for Stu Hart.

 

[D-Man]

I know Stu Hart is the originator and trainer of many pro-wrestlers and was the patriarch of the Hart Dynasty. I know he was an accomplished scholastic wrestler and successful promoter. And I know that he's a KILLER submission specialist. But that's like trying to hit a freight train with a fly swatter.

I can't see any reason that Stu Hart could defeat Goldberg. Stu doesn't have enough intensity, power, size, or strength to compete with Goldberg who will charge full speed ahead with intentions of decapitating Stu with a spear.

I'm voting for Goldberg.

 

[The Doctor]

Stu Hart absolutely. I like Goldberg, but Stu Hart is a legendary shooter. If you read Bret Hart's book, you see stories of Stu getting his hands on bikers, on football players, on massive musclemen, making them cry like babies. Stu Hart could make anyone submit, and he was one of the toughest around.

Goldberg may be big. He may be powerful. But Stu had locked up with several like him in the Dungeon, and he can make Goldberg his bitch.

 

[Alex]

Unfortunately I have never seen Stu Hart's work, but I do know the wrestler's he has trained and they all obviously learnt things from him. Nevertheless this is Goldberg we're talking about here, the guy made Bret Hart retire and lifted up Big Show, Hart may be a great submission specialist and could very well make Goldberg tap, but Goldberg was intense and if he got his offence in first, Hart probably wouldn't be able to lock in a submission strong enough to make Goldberg tap.

 

[Mr. TM]

And I know that he's a KILLER submission specialist. But that's like trying to hit a freight train with a fly swatter.

Um... so Submission guys never win matches? Power wrestlers always win? That is why Kane has been champion in a decade? Big show is champ? Giant fucking Gonzales? Umaga?

I can't see any reason that Stu Hart could defeat Goldberg.

Stu doesn't have enough intensity

, power,

size,

or strength

Guy can fight tigers and bears, but not a football hack

to compete with Goldberg who will charge full speed ahead with intentions of decapitating Stu with a spear.

I'm voting for Goldberg.

Surprised you didnt bring out the fact that hes also an idiot.


Yeah, charge at will at Bret Hart only to be destroyed by Bret, the son of Stu Hart. And the city that occured in? Yeah, Toronto, where this is the region of.

If Bret Hart can be prepared to take on Goldberg, so can Stu Hart.

 

[Dave]

As much as I am torn for this match, I am going to vote for Goldberg.

I think D-Man got it right, when he likened Goldberg to a freight train. Personally, I believe that Goldberg just has too much brute strength to even be phased by a glorified submission specialist. If the match was a matt wrestling competition, Stu Hart would be all over this one but it's not and I think that Goldberg just has too much for Hart.

Hart is an incredible athlete and could probably deal with the strength of Goldberg for a while but it would tell after some time. Submissions are pretty useless when Goldberg is spearing you into next week and I think that would tell.

Goldberg for me.

 

[RVDgurl]

I will openly admit that I have never actually seen a Stu Hart match- but he's got my vote here simply because I have seen many Goldberg matches and he's terrible. Yes, Goldberg had a great look and a cool entrance but it ends there. His "intensity" that so many people speak of always came across as staged. His matches looked sloppy and from everything I've ever read about those who actually worked with him, his work was sloppy. Goldberg will always be the greenhorn who got pushed to the moon before he was ready. He may have turned into a good wrestler if he was given the opportunity to develop, but that never happened.

 

[D-Man]

Um... so Submission guys never win matches? Power wrestlers always win? That is why Kane has been champion in a decade? Big show is champ? Giant fucking Gonzales? Umaga?


Surprised you didnt bring out the fact that hes also an idiot.

Yeah, charge at will at Bret Hart only to be destroyed by Bret, the son of Stu Hart. And the city that occured in? Yeah, Toronto, where this is the region of.

If Bret Hart can be prepared to take on Goldberg, so can Stu Hart.

I need some gauze to stuff up my nose from the stench of all of the bullshit in that argument. Not because what you said wasn't true, but because you are going to post a bunch of PHOTOS of Stu Hart and convince me that he can outpower Goldberg.

Listen, I'm not discrediting Stu Hart... not at all. I respect him more than you can possibly imagine. He was 1/2 of the reason that my favorite wrestler of all time came into this world and was successful. He's trained many men and was a very accomplished athlete himself.

WELCOME TO THE YEAR 2010.

I don't care how stupid Goldberg is or wreckless he is in the ring. The man walked into matches, slaughtered men, walked out, and drank a diet coke afterwards. He gets the job done. He put down MANY men in his crusade for the WCW title.

You can be a legendary trainer, scholastic wrestler, shoot wrestler, and all of those other respectable roles... but when you have a former NFL football player turned world champion wrestler charging at you, I don't care what you think... you'd better get out of the way unless you can adapt with their style.

Stu Hart never competed against anyone the likes of Goldberg. Stu was around in a different time and age and could never adapt to the athletes of today's product. Stu Hart is an obsolete product and Goldberg was the replacement.

Goldberg wins this one, hands down.

 

[Mr. TM]

I need some gauge to stuff up my nose from the stench of all of the bullshit in my argument.


Not because what you said wasn't true, but because you are going to post a bunch of PHOTOS of Stu Hart and convince me that he can outpower Goldberg.

Listen, I'm not discrediting Stu Hart... not at all. I respect him more than you can possibly imagine. He was 1/2 of the reason that my favorite wrestler of all time came into this world and was successful. He's trained many men and was a very accomplished athlete himself.

WELCOME TO THE YEAR 2010.

I don't care how stupid Goldberg is or wreckless he is in the ring. The man walked into matches, slaughtered men, walked out, and drank a diet coke afterwards. He gets the job done. He put down MANY men in his crusade for the WCW title.

You can be a legendary trainer, scholastic wrestler, shoot wrestler, and all of those other respectable roles... but when you have a former NFL football player turned world champion wrestler charging at you, I don't care what you think... you'd better get out of the way unless you can adapt with their style.

Stu Hart never competed against anyone the likes of Goldberg. Stu was around in a different time and age and could never adapt to the athletes of today's product. Stu Hart is an obsolete product and Goldberg was the replacement.

Goldberg wins this one, hands down.

Fixed yourt post for you. Yes, I posed a bunch of photos, mostly because you know, Stu wrestled when you know, there was a limit on video cameras...

So now lets deal with your shit you put forth as an argument. You push Goldberg was a football player. In a day and age when their is more protective gear on a player than a volvo car. Stu Hart was ALSO a football palyer, in a day and age when you wrapped your head in rubber and tried not to get your body broken.

 

[Baller]

Goldberg.

Goldberg is the more powerful man in this matchup and when a match has two great wrestlers then brute strength could be the key factor in this match. Goldberg will hit the spear and get the 1,2,3.

 

[D-Man]

Fixed yourt post for you. Yes, I posed a bunch of photos, mostly because you know, Stu wrestled when you know, there was a limit on video cameras...

So now lets deal with your shit you put forth as an argument. You push Goldberg was a football player. In a day and age when their is more protective gear on a player than a volvo car. Stu Hart was ALSO a football palyer, in a day and age when you wrapped your head in rubber and tried not to get your body broken.

The funny thing is, I'm not knocking your argument for posting pictures instead of videos. I'm knocking your argument because you think pictures of Stu tells the story about his power. You gave me no reasons to believe how powerful you'd like him to be. You just posted pictures and said he was powerful. See, I can do it, too:

Goldberg wasn't stupid. See?

That's from the Apprentice. See? He looks smart there.

As for the football comparison, Stu Hart played football for the Edminton Eskimos. Goldberg played for the NFL Rams, Falcons, and was on the Panthers team. Apples and oranges, brother.

 

[Shocky]

Instinctively I vote for Goldberg, but then I checked myself and reminded myself, who dominated Goldberg in WCW... Bret Hart. From what I remember, Bret Hart has three victories over Goldberg. Is it a weak argument, possibly, but that's what I have. There is more to go with that. I seem to remember that William Regal went legit on Goldberg in a match and out wrestled his ass that night as well.

Goldberg is a big, sick monster, and I respect him for being one dimensional and all that, but he can be beaten, especially by guys with amateur backgrounds.

 

[Mr. TM]

The funny thing is, I'm not knocking your argument for posting pictures instead of videos. I'm knocking your argument because you think pictures of Stu tells the story about his power. You gave me no reasons to believe how powerful you'd like him to be. You just posted pictures and said he was powerful. See, I can do it, too:

Goldberg wasn't stupid. See?

That's from the Apprentice. See? He looks smart there.

As for the football comparison, Stu Hart played football for the Edminton Eskimos. Goldberg played for the NFL Rams, Falcons, and was on the Panthers team. Apples and oranges, brother.

You seem to think Stu Hart cant take a hit. The man was a muscled machine, before the world of performance enhancing drugs. The man worked his ass off building a family and wrestling empire on his back. Thats the way to gain muscle, through hard work. Stu Hart can take a bit of a three point tackle.

And what the fuck do you mean the apples and oranges? the Edmonton Eskimos are a CFL team, and the CFL and NFL are roughly the same format. in the 1930s, if you were getting tackled, you had no protection, you were taking a full force of a man into your body, just as a Goldberg spear would be. Stu did alright with that, until he ran low on money, and war broke out. Yes, the man went to fight for the freedom of Europe, and missing out on an Olympic Gold Medal chance.

If Stu was smart enough to book a high selling wrestling act over the Albertan and Saskatchewan praries (a region about the size of 2000 New Jerseys, with a population around the same), then he obviously had a very incredible brain.

Stu goes over because all Goldberg has is a spear. A spear that Stu Hart could take, and about half an hour later, be cooking up food to feed 14 family members, and a half dozen wrestlers. Stu spits at Goldberg.

 

[DirtyJosé]

Kayfabe: Goldberg eats children. Stu Hart breaks them. Edge: Goldberg

Performance: Goldberg retires wrestlers with his sloppiness. Stu Hart was a master technician and legit world class athlete. Edge: Stu Hart

Personal: Damn, both of these guys mean a lot to the business in their own ways. Which ever way you vote, it's a tough call. I'm leaning Hart, but only barely. Edge: Stu Hart

This is gonna be closer than many will think. I'm voting Hart.

 

[IrishCanadian25]

I actually have Goldberg winning this entire tournament, though I am not sure why. Goldberg was as intense as they get, and even a technical wizard like Stu Hart couldn't counter that level of intensity. It takes a massive combination of power, stamina, speed, and technical prowess to beat a guy like Goldberg, and Stu doesn't have the entire package. Goldberg is a sick athlete and unfortunately crushes the patriarch of the Hart family.

 

[Theo Mays]

I love Goldberg, but I'm not sure that he can defeat Stu Hart. Stu Hart wrestled Bears and Tigers just for kicks. That is crazy. Goldberg is crazy, but Stu brought grown men to tears and that is say something. Stu Hart trained many wrestlers and made many people famous, but he is no slouch himself. He could tie Goldberg in knots and Goldberg couldn't escape. This one is Stu for me.

 

[Hulkamaniac]

Has to be Goldberg. Stu Hart's main claim to fame is as a trainer, not as a wrestler. His best student was Bret Hart, and Bret is far better then Stu, and Goldberg retired him. Goldberg is a powerhouse who has beaten some of the best in the business. Who is Stu's most notable victory? His only titles that were noted on wiki are two tag team championships. Goldberg was the heavyweight champion of the biggest organization of the world, beating the true best of all time, Hulk Hogan, and then did it again in the WWE beating Triple H.

As a wrestler, Bill Goldberg did more, drew more, and was just more entertaining. Vote Goldberg.

 

[Coco]

Stu Hart's legacy comes down to the fact that he enjoyed stretching rookies in his basement. 99% of you know fuck all else about him.

What do we know about Bill Goldberg? He was an unstoppable force for a while and had a decent run in one of the hottest periods in pro-wrestling history. He needed to be escorted to the ring and he snarled. A lot.

Based on the knowledge available to most of you, Stu Hart shouldn't get one vote.

 

[Mr. TM]

Has to be Goldberg. Stu Hart's main claim to fame is as a trainer, not as a wrestler. His best student was Bret Hart, and Bret is far better then Stu, and Goldberg retired him. Goldberg is a powerhouse who has beaten some of the best in the business. Who is Stu's most notable victory? His only titles that were noted on wiki are two tag team championships. Goldberg was the heavyweight champion of the biggest organization of the world, beating the true best of all time, Hulk Hogan, and then did it again in the WWE beating Triple H.

As a wrestler, Bill Goldberg did more, drew more, and was just more entertaining. Vote Goldberg.

His best knowledge to you is of a trainer, mostly because he was such a good talent that dozens of world champions have wanted to be just like him. People like Jericho, all the Harts, Benoit, Dynamite, Davey Boy, Mark Henry, Ventura, Andre, Morales, Storm, Austin, Guerrero, and so many more.

Goldberg is a powerhouse who cant even take a taser. Sounds like a pussy to me.

Goldberg was replaceable. Not sure how you could argue that. Any roided up chimp could have had Goldbergs role. In fact, I think Warrior would agree to that. But who could have replaced Stu Hart? No one.

 

[Hulkamaniac]

His best knowledge to you is of a trainer, mostly because he was such a good talent that dozens of world champions have wanted to be just like him. People like Jericho, all the Harts, Benoit, Dynamite, Davey Boy, Mark Henry, Ventura, Andre, Morales, Storm, Austin, Guerrero, and so many more.

Goldberg is a powerhouse who cant even take a taser. Sounds like a pussy to me.

Goldberg was replaceable. Not sure how you could argue that. Any roided up chimp could have had Goldbergs role. In fact, I think Warrior would agree to that. But who could have replaced Stu Hart? No one.

Anybody could have fileld that role? Completely subjective and baseless. All we know is who DID fill that role. Besides, it's not like Stui is the only shooter ever, or even the most feared shooter. Stu is remembered mostly for his sperm and for his effect on others, not his own accomplishments. Goldberg, not so much.

 

[Mr. TM]

What was so special about Goldberg than? He wasn't a huge guy, about 260, so smaller than Batista was. he was green as shit. He "retired" Bret by fucking up in the ring, and mule kicking him in the head. Not a very good wrestler if you fucking kick someone in the head, is he? And to kick someone like Bret Hart, who was trained by his father to never hurt another man in the ring. That is a real shame. What was Bret's father again? Oh right, Atticus Finch or the wrestling world, Stu Hart.

What Stu gave to the world is more than what Goldberg took from it when he kicked Bret Hart.

 

[It's...Baylariat!]

I never agree with TM on much of anything... but Stu Hart can beat Goldberg. If you think Bret Hart is a cagey ring veteran who can take advantage of a one dimensional powerhouse like Goldberg, then Stu Hart should have little trouble handling him. Stu Hart is a superior submission specialist and much, MUCH smarter than Goldberg ring wise.

Goldberg tries a spear, Stu Hart puts him in a keylock submission and Goldberg either passes out or gets his arm broken.

Stu Hart wins this.

 

[deem]

Goldberg wins. Sure Stu is a great shoot specialist, submission, w/e. Goldberg is a beast and Stu is remembered more for training than wrestling.

Goldberg overpowers Stu to get into the second round here.