Ending of Sting vs Bobby Roode

[New Hot Fed]

Did anyone like it? He started beating Sting and tied his arms in duck tapes with Dixie Carter on her knees pleading him to stop. My mancrush towards Roode has become infinite right now. The guy is the ultimate heel.

Now it felt as if he was about to do more vicious things but stopped. So I wonder if she made promises to Roode so he would not hit Sting? I'm curious to know if there's gonna be a follow up on that.

 

[RManske2]

I hope there is something more to it since watching it tonight I ended up with more questions on things that did not make sense to me. With Roode scheduled to take on Storm next month it doesn't seem like there would be a rematch, unless on Impact, and why didn't Roode finish Sting off once he had him taped in the corner. We'll see where it goes I suppose.

 

[OneTooManyPunts]

I think more than anything, it's TNA pushing Roode as a man that does not respect any authority figure, and that will do anything to keep his spot. Going over Sting really left Carter as the only other authority figure for him to feud with, and may add a dynamic now that he faces a TNA homegrown talent in James Storm, that has shown loyalty to Dixie in the past.

 

[Azane]

They need to stop trying to sell impacts on PPVs it's so backwards.

PPV is where you get the answers or continue the feud, not hold it hostage. The people paying big money deserve to see it, not the free show.

I have a feeling there's an agreement behind the scenes with Bobby and Dixie, but it should of been a little better played out tonight as opposed to free tv.

 

[multiverseman.com]

My only problem with it was the fact that Roode put his hands on Dixie and called her a bitch so much that the TNA lockerroom should've emptied. They should've beaten him half to death for threatening their livelihood and their boss that way, a helpless woman no less.

 

[Pay Per Ghost]

I just read it, and well it seems good to me. Maybe Roode should've won a little more cleanly than an accidental chair bump but the after math was a good way to give that evil streak back to your main heel champion. Was a good way to end. Not a very good finish though. But Roode's ruthlessness just makes him look that much more credible.


This sets up Storm vs Roode nicely.

 

[Papa Pillman]

I don't want to go too deep into the morality of the encounter, but I do have a somewhat relevant question...

Where the Hell was James Storm??

This could go alot of ways, but Dixie and Roode really did a nice job of pushing the segment towards uncomfortable while at the same time compelling. A difficult and interesting balance to maintain, but if they can keep it up this could get really good going toward Lockdown- and I have faith in Roode's ability to pull it off. The man is just outstanding right now.

 

[Krossbreed]

i wouldve atleast expected tna security to come out and do something, but thats what made this segment good...roode was clearly buying time, sting hitting his head on the chair was clearly unintentional who takes a bump on the back of there head on purpose let alone sting.

that close made many fans uncomfortable, the grabbing of the hair, all i could think about is that rich investor/ president was really willing to let roode humiliate her like that?

Them not having anyone run in and do the save was very original as well. Made it look very much improvised by Roode. TNA needs to stop with the corniness take aj styles out of storylines let him go on a winning streak ...but say what u want i like roode with the belt...but tna needs to bring in new wrestlers from developmental. Ion is the best new wrestler they found.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

I haven't seen the ppv, wasn't really interested to be quite honest, but Roode's antics post match sound like something TNA should've been doing with him for a long while now. Maybe not so much as what he did but as to how he did it with this ruthless side of him.

I've enjoyed Roode overall, I think he's done a good job with what he's been given, but the reason I didn't care at all to see him go against Sting has a lot to do with the fact that Roode has, for the most part, been made to look like Sting's bitch one way or another during nearly the entire length of his run. For instance, Sting has really been the only one Roode has had any real heat with since his brief feud with Storm ended shortly after the start of his run. Sting's used his power as an authority figure to make things difficult for Roode and/or he's consistently beaten him up. Roode just hasn't come off all that formidable against Sting and, overall, it just killed my interest here.

Roode, for the most part, has done your standard generic, selfish & materialistic heel wearing nice suits stuff. As I said, he's done a good job with what he was given, but his behavior after the match last night sounds more along the lines of what I've been hoping to see from him: the reports I've read make it sound as if Roode was a sleazy lowlife that has no respect for anyone or anything. In my view, this side of Roode sounds far more interesting than what we've seen. If they'd have been portraying him in this sort of light, maybe his feuds with Hardy & Sting wouldn't have come across like filler material.

 

[Lowdown]

I too haven't seen the PPV, but judging from the ending it looks like Sting might be going on sabbatical for a while. Not the ending I expected but this give Roode a lot of heat and momentum going into Lockdown. The question remains what's gonna go down between Rood and Dixie. If Sting is gonna be out for a while, who's going to be the fill in authority figure?

 

[It's Damn Real!]

What was not to like about it? So long as it doesn't force Dixie to become a major on-screen character again, I see no issue here. It just continues to put over Roode as this incredibly selfish, incredibly arrogant and incredibly violent World Champion who will go to any length to retain the title. He's blood drunk with it, which when you are trying to build a serious #1 heel, goes a long way (just ask Triple H).

I'm actually glad they didn't have Hogan or anyone come down for the save, either. Roode would just have run off and it wouldn't have had the same effect at all, though the only guy who could have done so at the very end would have been Storm, which would have made sense considering not only is he a company man, and buddies with Carter and Sting, but Roode's long-awaited opponent at the upcoming Lockdown Pay-Per-View.

 

[JJYanks121]

What was not to like about it? So long as it doesn't force Dixie to become a major on-screen character again, I see no issue here. It just continues to put over Roode as this incredibly selfish, incredibly arrogant and incredibly violent World Champion who will go to any length to retain the title. He's blood drunk with it, which when you are trying to build a serious #1 heel, goes a long way (just ask Triple H).

I'm actually glad they didn't have Hogan or anyone come down for the save, either. Roode would just have run off and it wouldn't have had the same effect at all, though the only guy who could have done so at the very end would have been Storm, which would have made sense considering not only is he a company man, and buddies with Carter and Sting, but Roode's long-awaited opponent at the upcoming Lockdown Pay-Per-View.

Um, not only COULD Storm have come down there for the safe, it was fucking stupid to not have him come down there for the save.

Storm is the guy who has the big title shot at Lockdown. He's also the former partner of Bobby Roode, the one that has morals and is a good guy. That guy needed to come down at the end. Not coming down looks terrible on his part, especially since it would have been incredibly symbolic for him to do so. Think about it: Roode beats Sting in a weird way, another weasel job. Then he tries to end Sting but Storm hits the ring and you transition the thought away from Sting (as it should be) to ONLY Storm. Now I fear Sting will be the guest referee in Lockdown, thereby taking all the heat away from Storm/Roode and keeping it on Sting/Roode. That is NOT what needs to happen.

You and I both know that this show needed to put an end to Sting/Roode and it didn't. Yes, it might have made Roode look more ruthless, but if Sting stays involved, this is a failure. Roode/Storm can sell on its own and it doesn't need Sting involved. I feel the same way about the Hell in a Cell at Wrestlemania. I love Sting and HBK, but both men are unnecessary when two awesome guys are competing in cages.

I feel that Storm should have come down, broke it up, and then you end the PPV with a staredown between the two men. This should hopefully lead to a good promo by Storm who would say that Roode found another way to weasel out a win but against Storm in a cage where there are no rules, that can't be done. It'll be a war and to beat Storm and you've got nothing left but to fight it. THAT should bring out the violent nature of Roode as he has no choice BUT to be violent.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

Um, not only COULD Storm have come down there for the safe, it was fucking stupid to not have him come down there for the save.

Storm is the guy who has the big title shot at Lockdown. He's also the former partner of Bobby Roode, the one that has morals and is a good guy. That guy needed to come down at the end. Not coming down looks terrible on his part, especially since it would have been incredibly symbolic for him to do so. Think about it: Roode beats Sting in a weird way, another weasel job. Then he tries to end Sting but Storm hits the ring and you transition the thought away from Sting (as it should be) to ONLY Storm. Now I fear Sting will be the guest referee in Lockdown, thereby taking all the heat away from Storm/Roode and keeping it on Sting/Roode. That is NOT what needs to happen.

You and I both know that this show needed to put an end to Sting/Roode and it didn't. Yes, it might have made Roode look more ruthless, but if Sting stays involved, this is a failure. Roode/Storm can sell on its own and it doesn't need Sting involved. I feel the same way about the Hell in a Cell at Wrestlemania. I love Sting and HBK, but both men are unnecessary when two awesome guys are competing in cages.

I feel that Storm should have come down, broke it up, and then you end the PPV with a staredown between the two men. This should hopefully lead to a good promo by Storm who would say that Roode found another way to weasel out a win but against Storm in a cage where there are no rules, that can't be done. It'll be a war and to beat Storm and you've got nothing left but to fight it. THAT should bring out the violent nature of Roode as he has no choice BUT to be violent.

You're off the deep end here. We agree it should have ended with Storm making the save to shift focus, but to call this a failure because it didn't happen? Way off base. Way, way, way off base. Even more so to insinuate that Storm/Roode will somehow be less effective because Sting may become a special guest referee in a match that is likely to be the best of the year for TNA. I think, if anything, the addition of Sting helps that feud, because if just adds that little dash of something something to flavor an already incredible build, same as it's been done in the past for decades.

You get too hung up on perfection, Yanks. These things don't need to be done to a tee in order to work. Striving for perfection is admirable, but it's also an impossible goal.

 

[Tiger Chaos Theory]

While I wasn't enthralled by the match itself, nor the ending, the post-match was great. Ever since Roode won the title he's shown glimmers of the sort of ruthless heel that is willing to maim his opponents and it was in full force here. I thought it was well done and was excited to see exactly how far he went with it. Part of me was actually hoping he finished off Sting just to knock him off for the month and build some gigantic heat for his match with Storm.

 

[JJYanks121]

You're off the deep end here. We agree it should have ended with Storm making the save to shift focus, but to call this a failure because it didn't happen? Way off base. Way, way, way off base. Even more so to insinuate that Storm/Roode will somehow be less effective because Sting may become a special guest referee in a match that is likely to be the best of the year for TNA. I think, if anything, the addition of Sting helps that feud, because if just adds that little dash of something something to flavor an already incredible build, same as it's been done in the past for decades.

You get too hung up on perfection, Yanks. These things don't need to be done to a tee in order to work. Striving for perfection is admirable, but it's also an impossible goal.

If anything, I'm hung up on simplicity which sells. Roode/Storm in a brutal war sells. Sting is totally unnecessary and you know it. That needs to be done and the TOTAL FOCUS needs to be on the two guys it deserves to be on. Why should Sting have any focus in that feud? Because he's Sting? Hell no!

It doesn't help the feud at all. What would help that feud is to put some actual focus on it! This was supposed to be the feud of the year but it was pushed aside many months ago. In its place we got AJ "the placeholder" Styles while Angle ended up being Storm's assailant when it NEEDED to be Roode. We're talking about making Roode ruthless now but do you realize how much of an asshole he'd look like if he damn near killed his former friend just so he could fuck him out of his rematch? THAT would have been awesome. Then you take him off TV for a couple of months to "recover" while an AJ holds the place to stand up for his friend. Fuck Sting in all of this as personal feuds rather than the GM just always being there would have built Roode way better. Storm comes back after a couple of months and immediately goes after Roode. He has to win the #1 contendership and he does by Victory Road leading to a 1 on 1 contest.......which Roode does something shady in, either cheating or a DQ or something. The next night Roode asks for a new opponent for Lockdown but Sting makes Roode/Storm for the show due to the cheating. Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide, the war is on for the second biggest show of the year.

Instead we've had both guys on the show for 6 months and whenever they interact you don't get the feeling they hate each other all that much. I mean, they certainly don't like each other anymore but they should want to kill each other! THAT is what makes a great feud. It's been fucked for a while, but the best way to resurrect it would have been to have Storm get involved last night. Roode sees it as Storm being a brown-noser, Storm sees it as protecting someone that couldn't fight back. He'd like to see Roode try it on someone who can and will fight back inside a cage.

For once, let's see if these guys can truly sell. Let the Main Event of Lockdown be Roode/Storm. NO STING!!! It's a novel idea, but try selling a big show without a guy that used to be a big deal. Maybe then the guys in the match can be seen as big deals. Maybe then the feud can be about them as it should be. Maybe then people will see an incredible match that really needs very little added to it. There's very little way to fuck up Roode/Storm in a cage if they are 1 on 1. Just let them battle in there. Simple is better.

 

[Lowdown]

One thing you're forgetting Yanks is that IDR pointed out something I mentioned on here before. This is similar to when Triple H first won the title back in '99. I don't know if you were a fan back then, but when Trips first won, he was completely anti-authority, and yes he had a couple of brutal matches with Vince McMahon. But did it really take away from the build up and matches that he had with Austin, Rock, and Foley? No. It made him an even bigger prick on TV and people tuned in to possibly see his ass handed to him. Sting in a way built up Roode being more devious and possibly more ruthless. Him busting Sting open on Impact a few weeks ago, gave him more heat. Same thing with last night. Storm could've made the save, but it wasn't a necessity. He's the #1 contender outright, and keep in mind that unless there's shenanigans in the works, it will just be Roode and Storm in that cage. And if Sting is involved as a ref, it just adds to the build up.

 

[JJYanks121]

One thing you're forgetting Yanks is that IDR pointed out something I mentioned on here before. This is similar to when Triple H first won the title back in '99. I don't know if you were a fan back then, but when Trips first won, he was completely anti-authority, and yes he had a couple of brutal matches with Vince McMahon. But did it really take away from the build up and matches that he had with Austin, Rock, and Foley? No. It made him an even bigger prick on TV and people tuned in to possibly see his ass handed to him. Sting in a way built up Roode being more devious and possibly more ruthless. Him busting Sting open on Impact a few weeks ago, gave him more heat. Same thing with last night. Storm could've made the save, but it wasn't a necessity. He's the #1 contender outright, and keep in mind that unless there's shenanigans in the works, it will just be Roode and Storm in that cage. And if Sting is involved as a ref, it just adds to the build up.

I've been watching since 1990 so yeah, I was watching back then lol. And yes, it did take away from those matches. It finally got good in the Summer or 2000 when it was just Rock and Triple H having brutal matches. However, what made HHH hated is that all the things you weren't sure he did, he always did. He masterminded the Austin attack, he attacked HBK, he did it all. It was always him. What if that HBK attack was done by Brock Lesnar? That's the equivalent of what happened here. Brock could have said "I'm the big star now and your little comeback is taking away from my spotlight. Would have been ok but who cares? The story needed to be about HHH and HBK and it was. THAT is what made HHH the hated heel he was. To be honeset, 1999 he got to the title level but he wasn't really there yet. The McMahon/Helmsley thing got him over WAY more as a heel and that's mostly because he married the power and then BECAME the power. Roode is probably about where HHH was in 1999 which is a borderline main eventer trying to build credibility for himself. Learn from history though. Doing so comes from great feuds with top guys. He needs to have a great match with Storm to start that.

 

[New Hot Fed]

Um, not only COULD Storm have come down there for the safe, it was fucking stupid to not have him come down there for the save.

Storm is the guy who has the big title shot at Lockdown. He's also the former partner of Bobby Roode, the one that has morals and is a good guy. That guy needed to come down at the end. Not coming down looks terrible on his part, especially since it would have been incredibly symbolic for him to do so. Think about it: Roode beats Sting in a weird way, another weasel job. Then he tries to end Sting but Storm hits the ring and you transition the thought away from Sting (as it should be) to ONLY Storm. Now I fear Sting will be the guest referee in Lockdown, thereby taking all the heat away from Storm/Roode and keeping it on Sting/Roode. That is NOT what needs to happen.

You and I both know that this show needed to put an end to Sting/Roode and it didn't. Yes, it might have made Roode look more ruthless, but if Sting stays involved, this is a failure. Roode/Storm can sell on its own and it doesn't need Sting involved. I feel the same way about the Hell in a Cell at Wrestlemania. I love Sting and HBK, but both men are unnecessary when two awesome guys are competing in cages.

I feel that Storm should have come down, broke it up, and then you end the PPV with a staredown between the two men. This should hopefully lead to a good promo by Storm who would say that Roode found another way to weasel out a win but against Storm in a cage where there are no rules, that can't be done. It'll be a war and to beat Storm and you've got nothing left but to fight it. THAT should bring out the violent nature of Roode as he has no choice BUT to be violent.

Sure but I think with Storm's involvement you can't have Dixie making some sort of deal with Roode. They wanted to do that so Roode is pushed to the brink and just wants to kill Sting, finishing him off and he says "alright Dixie if you want to prevent me to end him, take him away, you fire him as GM"

A good way to make sense of Storm not being involved in the match though, they could have shown via camera backstage Storm taken out with Bully as the prime culprit.

 

[New Hot Fed]

If anything, I'm hung up on simplicity which sells. Roode/Storm in a brutal war sells. Sting is totally unnecessary and you know it. That needs to be done and the TOTAL FOCUS needs to be on the two guys it deserves to be on. Why should Sting have any focus in that feud? Because he's Sting? Hell no!

It doesn't help the feud at all. What would help that feud is to put some actual focus on it! This was supposed to be the feud of the year but it was pushed aside many months ago. In its place we got AJ "the placeholder" Styles while Angle ended up being Storm's assailant when it NEEDED to be Roode. We're talking about making Roode ruthless now but do you realize how much of an asshole he'd look like if he damn near killed his former friend just so he could fuck him out of his rematch? THAT would have been awesome. Then you take him off TV for a couple of months to "recover" while an AJ holds the place to stand up for his friend. Fuck Sting in all of this as personal feuds rather than the GM just always being there would have built Roode way better. Storm comes back after a couple of months and immediately goes after Roode. He has to win the #1 contendership and he does by Victory Road leading to a 1 on 1 contest.......which Roode does something shady in, either cheating or a DQ or something. The next night Roode asks for a new opponent for Lockdown but Sting makes Roode/Storm for the show due to the cheating. Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide, the war is on for the second biggest show of the year.

Instead we've had both guys on the show for 6 months and whenever they interact you don't get the feeling they hate each other all that much. I mean, they certainly don't like each other anymore but they should want to kill each other! THAT is what makes a great feud. It's been fucked for a while, but the best way to resurrect it would have been to have Storm get involved last night. Roode sees it as Storm being a brown-noser, Storm sees it as protecting someone that couldn't fight back. He'd like to see Roode try it on someone who can and will fight back inside a cage.

For once, let's see if these guys can truly sell. Let the Main Event of Lockdown be Roode/Storm. NO STING!!! It's a novel idea, but try selling a big show without a guy that used to be a big deal. Maybe then the guys in the match can be seen as big deals. Maybe then the feud can be about them as it should be. Maybe then people will see an incredible match that really needs very little added to it. There's very little way to fuck up Roode/Storm in a cage if they are 1 on 1. Just let them battle in there. Simple is better.

I'll say this I agree with you that there's not a lot of heat between Roode and Storm. I understand what TNA was trying to do, not pull the trigger on their match and feud right away after Roode turned on Storm so to have a bigger payoff down the line. They made that mistake with Joe vs Angle by having them meet right away and after their matchs there was nowhere left to go. But by waiting to have them fight, it killed their momentum of having an epic feud between the two. And all the times they faced each other since then it's like there was no heat. Now they only have one month to bring everything together.

Also it's a shame that Storm was injured so he couldn't have a big match against Bully because I would have liked having Roode come in at the end of their match so Bully and him would do a number on Storm. Just absolutly demolish Storm to generate more hate so Storm can have a proper revenge at Lockdown.

 

[New Hot Fed]

I've been watching since 1990 so yeah, I was watching back then lol. And yes, it did take away from those matches. It finally got good in the Summer or 2000 when it was just Rock and Triple H having brutal matches. However, what made HHH hated is that all the things you weren't sure he did, he always did. He masterminded the Austin attack, he attacked HBK, he did it all. It was always him. What if that HBK attack was done by Brock Lesnar? That's the equivalent of what happened here. Brock could have said "I'm the big star now and your little comeback is taking away from my spotlight. Would have been ok but who cares? The story needed to be about HHH and HBK and it was. THAT is what made HHH the hated heel he was. To be honeset, 1999 he got to the title level but he wasn't really there yet. The McMahon/Helmsley thing got him over WAY more as a heel and that's mostly because he married the power and then BECAME the power. Roode is probably about where HHH was in 1999 which is a borderline main eventer trying to build credibility for himself. Learn from history though. Doing so comes from great feuds with top guys. He needs to have a great match with Storm to start that.

It's funny that you mention HHH in 99 compared to where he was later on because a huge part of the fall of 99 was HHH feuding with Vince McMahon who was a face authority figure at the time. And Vince putting obstacles in front of him. I actually think Vince made it harder for HHH than Sting did for Roode. And then strangely Vince himself won the World title until his daughter turned on him giving HHH his belt back. Then in early 2000, HHH was put over in three consecutive PPV, two of them two big wins against Foley and one at Mania. I'm wondering something, to achieve that status, would TNA have to do the same with Roode? To do that Roode would have to beat Storm at Lockdown, sadly. In wrestling you have to choose who should be your main guys and you should be in the role of nemesis. Foley was perfect in the role of the guy that can push you to the limit to make the champ look good while not having what it takes to be your champion and represent your company. Same thing with Terry Funk when he faced Flair in 1990, he pulled a great match but he couldn't and shoudn't have been champ. As such TNA should ask themselves who's the star we need to build our company around? Is it Storm or Roode? If it's Roode then he has to go over at Lockdown to further his push as megastar.