ECIII Cuts An Expletive Ridden Promo About Title Win and PWI Championship Status

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Topic 1: Well it looks like someone just broke the 4th, 5th, and 6th Wall...

"Yeah you dropped the ball who gives a sh*t?"

Great promo if you're going to use F Bombs, this is how.

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I believe the 'fat guy' he was referring to was is Bill DeMott, he was partially responsible for an ACL tear, DeMott then went to HHH and said he was too injury prone and couldn’t wrestle. HHH let him go.

"I am EC3. I am the man. I am handpicked. I am the destiny of this company...I'm the new game!!"

It's hard to believe EC3 is the same guy WWE didn't think was good enough. Guy has been tremendous since joining TNA. He's not the best in ring (he's good enough), but he's the man on the mic.

Fantastic promo here, how do you all feel of ECIII breaking the 4th wall and bringing the intensity?



Topic 2: How does ECIII feel about PWI not classifying him as a 'world' champion

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He handled it better than Ryder. Do you agree?

@EthanCarterTNA feels alright eh? Enjoy the ride brother.
— Seth Rollins (@WWERollins) July 2, 2015

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From one ''World champion'' to another.

 

[Starkist]

Well, for starters, I am happy he kept it about TNA and not bringing up WWE. Every report/interview with Angle is about "why didn't WWE want you? Who would you retire against in the WWE?" Did Angle deflect any of those questions? No. Did EC3 give into taking digs at WWE? No. EC3 made the title feel important while making TNA important.

The promo was really good. I liked how he swore then said "bleep that." Sometimes swearing can be too much to where it takes away the overall meaning of what is being said. This promo was perfect in which it show cased his emotion. It show cased that EC3 is awesome and can be a great heavyweight champion. TNA needs a guy who loves to represent TNA to the fullest. EC3 is that guy. EC3 is the guy because he is that damn good.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

This is how your World Champion should handle these matters. With pride.

Any fan of TNA should be proud to have EC3 representing the company, because he does so as a thankful representative of the company. Not a self-serving agent looking to grease future wheels.

 

[Charismatic Enigma]

Honestly, it is bullshit that PWI doesn't recognize it. I'm no longer a TNA fan, and only tune in on the very, very rare occasion where I think something monumental may happen, but it is still a legit title.

I always thought in WWE that they dropped the ball with Bateman, I used to frequent FCW (now NXT) shows, so I knew first hand how much potential this guy had. I think it's a shame for him that it wasn't recognized until he got to TNA, but I absolutely think he deserves the position he's in there. I think down the road, if TNA doesn't stick around (and I'm not counting on it, honestly), he may have to do a stint in ROH or NJPW, before WWE will look at him again to get the stigma off, but I think he will be a big star in this business. A lot of the guys that are making waves in WWE at the moment all had dark matches or developmental deals many years ago, and he may be no different.

That said, for the present I'm glad he's actually putting the emphasis on TNA's title. I'm sure it is discouraging for someone like him, who honestly probably isn't getting paid much, and he's clearly busting his ass for that company, so he should be offended when it's treated like his accomplishments there don't matter.

 

[johnbragg]

This is how your World Champion should handle these matters. With pride.

Any fan of TNA should be proud to have EC3 representing the company, because he does so as a thankful representative of the company. Not a self-serving agent looking to grease future wheels.

x100. I haven't watched TNA in a long time, but one of TNAs big problems is that they don't treat TNA's title like it really matters, going back years and years. In 2009, AJ STyles was a how many time world champion, and he was recast as Ric Flair's protege/sidekick. Eric Young grabbed the brass ring after 10 years--that should be career-altering, but it seems like as soon as he loses the title, as soon as he burns his rematch clause, it never happened. Magnus was champion last year, couldn't win a match without help at first, looked like they were building to a face turn and something--nope.

EC3 is talking like a wrestling champion should. He builds up Kurt Angle, references everything he's done, everything he's accomplished--and that becomes part of the build of EC3 because he goes out and delivers. A wrestling champion, and a wrestling promotion, should have the attitude that that belt makes you a star. (Of course, in reality it's the star that makes the belt, and the characters and writers who build up the belt. But seeing the belt respected is nice.)

What I'm reading about EC3 makes me want to go on youtube tonight and see what I've been missing with this guy. I check the results from time to time, and this is the first TNA thing in forever that makes me think "I want to watch that." rather than "yeah, that will fail."

 

[Dagger Dias]

Alright so I have not watched TNA in a very long time. Bound For Glory last year was when I gave up on them for good, and even then I had previously given up on them (due to Eric Young's TNA Championship win) while only giving them a second chance due to wanting to see Bobby Lashley as the TNA Champion. That's almost an entire year of wanting nothing to do with the brand. I also haven't posted in this section for what seems like an eternity. Has to be about a year ago at this point. Alright, let me get to the point here.

This promo, almost, made me want to watch TNA again.

The keyword there of course being ALMOST. Still though, props to EC3. I haven't seen much of his work as his TNA run has been during the time I casually stepped away from TNA as far as being a fan. I'm genuinely happy for the guy though. He's proved the haters wrong and this promo only further shows how good he has gotten. Chances are I still won't watch any of the upcoming Impact's, but EC3's promo was good enough to catch the attention of someone who used to be a big fan (2006 through 2013) that walked away from the product completely. Well done, EC3, and I hope your TNA Championship reign goes well.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

x100. I haven't watched TNA in a long time, but one of TNAs big problems is that they don't treat TNA's title like it really matters, going back years and years. In 2009, AJ STyles was a how many time world champion, and he was recast as Ric Flair's protege/sidekick. Eric Young grabbed the brass ring after 10 years--that should be career-altering, but it seems like as soon as he loses the title, as soon as he burns his rematch clause, it never happened. Magnus was champion last year, couldn't win a match without help at first, looked like they were building to a face turn and something--nope.

EC3 is talking like a wrestling champion should. He builds up Kurt Angle, references everything he's done, everything he's accomplished--and that becomes part of the build of EC3 because he goes out and delivers. A wrestling champion, and a wrestling promotion, should have the attitude that that belt makes you a star. (Of course, in reality it's the star that makes the belt, and the characters and writers who build up the belt. But seeing the belt respected is nice.)

What I'm reading about EC3 makes me want to go on youtube tonight and see what I've been missing with this guy. I check the results from time to time, and this is the first TNA thing in forever that makes me think "I want to watch that." rather than "yeah, that will fail."

Exactly. This just reinforces the success that EC3 is, or is becoming.

I'd strongly suggest you go back a few weeks to the promo Carter cut on Angle prior to Slammiversary. It set the bar high, and Carter didn't fall short of it:

“Standing before him is the greatest wrestler who has ever lived. Kurt Angle you are the best because you have beaten the best. You have beaten Heartbreak Kids and Texas Rattlesnakes. You have beaten Cerebral Assassins, and Electrifying men. You have beaten Next Big Things, Ayatollahs, Nature Boys, and Superstars who are Rated R. Kurt, you have beaten Dead Men, Immortals, and hell *does the you can't see me gesture* guys who can't even see. You have beaten Submission Machines, Phenomenal Ones, Charismatic Enigmas, Icons, and Kings of Mountains. But Kurt Angle, what do they have in common? They have been beaten. I haven't. And Kurt Angle, you can't beat me…”

 

[allketchupisnotthesame]

Ok.

Ive been hearing and reading about this guy quite a bit lately. I had no idea who he was because I dont watch TNA. Im not a TNA hater, I just dont watch it.

After watching this I have to say I am unimpressed.

The guy took way too long to get to the meat of the message. He started off rambling on, seemingly talking to himself, and half confused about what he wanted to say. Looking into the camera will breed a lot more intensity than pulling a william shatner...and...stringing...one...maybe two...at most three...or...four...words together...at a time.

When he did finally get to the point it stunk of sour grapes. Struck me as a shamelessly cheap knock off of steve austins ECW shoot promo. Then to beg for a mention by callin out HHH by calling himself the new game, psssh.

If ya run a football for a touchdown in the woods when no ones around...?

Not to mention dudes head looks like his mamas vagina didnt wanna grant him passage.

 

[Aquaman6686]

Honestly, it is bullshit that PWI doesn't recognize it. I'm no longer a TNA fan, and only tune in on the very, very rare occasion where I think something monumental may happen, but it is still a legit title.

When was the TNA Championship last defended overseas? The title needs to be defended in more than one country to be a World Championship. PWI was 100% right in taking away it's World title status.

 

[ECPirate37]

When was the TNA Championship last defended overseas? The title needs to be defended in more than one country to be a World Championship. PWI was 100% right in taking away it's World title status.

March 13th of this year in the UK, so not even 4 months ago: Angle vs. Lashley.

I thought this was an awesome Promo because it was REAL! I'm a fan of EC3. Have been since the first time I saw him in the ring. I didn't know about him as Bateman until I youtubed him a while back. So EC3 is how I was introduced to this future star. I REALLY think he has the charisma to have cross-over appeal. TNA needs to do everything they can to get him on The Tonight Show, Kelly & Michael, or whomever else they can get him on. Even if he is on the Home Shopping Network, or the Cooking Network; he will convert people and make them want to tune in. He is THAT good on the mic.

Of course, I am biased since I am a fan, but he is the first wrestler that I've ever bought a shirt for. I didn't even buy an NWO shirt and I LOVED them.

Good luck to EC3 and I hope that TNA sticks around, and he's the one whom turns their fortunes around.

 

[Pay Per Ghost]

Pretty solid, been following him from afar really and its great to see him blossom like this. Its always exciting to get new talent get on top and he is certainly a talker. Let see.

Also, that I am the new game is a great clincher, well done EC3.

 

[Lowdown]

What I liked about it was that it felt very genuine. It built towards a worked promo at the very end, but for the most part it sounded like Mike Hutter talking, not EC3. I've said that I'm not a huge fan of his in ring work, but he talks a big game which is key. It felt real without sounding bitter towards his part experience with the E. My hope is that his title run can and would benefit TNA to where it will survive all the rumors of its impending demise. Kudos, EC3.

 

[ECPirate37]

What I liked about it was that it felt very genuine. It built towards a worked promo at the very end, but for the most part it sounded like Mike Hutter talking, not EC3. I've said that I'm not a huge fan of his in ring work, but he talks a big game which is key. It felt real without sounding bitter towards his part experience with the E. My hope is that his title run can and would benefit TNA to where it will survive all the rumors of its impending demise. Kudos, EC3.

Agreed. If AJ Styles (whom is one of my favorite wrestlers ever), could cut promos like EC3, I think TNA would be a household name by now. I hope that EC3 continues his in-ring progression so that one day his wrestling talents match his mic talents. I already think he is very good; but I want him to be a LEGEND.

 

[johnbragg]

I just watched the pre-Slammiversary promo, and I like it, but the crowd was really distracting--the segment would have been better backstage in front of a curtain.

I like EC3's delivery, but he doesn't seem to engage the crowd. I looked at the video tagged "EC3 Challenges a Legend" which turned out to be Earl Hebner, and he wasn't really managing the crowd there either, although they were at least reacting to him (anti-EC3 sign, "You Suck" chants)

Is crowd management something EC3 needs to work on, or is it just hopeless in front of the Impact Zone crowd?

 

[It's Damn Real!]

I just watched the pre-Slammiversary promo, and I like it, but the crowd was really distracting--the segment would have been better backstage in front of a curtain.

I like EC3's delivery, but he doesn't seem to engage the crowd. I looked at the video tagged "EC3 Challenges a Legend" which turned out to be Earl Hebner, and he wasn't really managing the crowd there either, although they were at least reacting to him (anti-EC3 sign, "You Suck" chants)

Is crowd management something EC3 needs to work on, or is it just hopeless in front of the Impact Zone crowd?

The latter, in my experience. In front of the right crowds, he actually gets them to eat out of his hand. Early on with a lot of the "You can't wrestle!" chants, he was able to fire right back at them with "I disagree", and "I'm very good", which only caused them to chant even louder.

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These were the crowds in New York that were far and away the best crowds TNA draws IMO. Though I will admit I'm biased there, considering I'm in the crowd.

Not that he can't use some work, as most young stars can, but he does a pretty good job.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

PWI's recognition of what is or isn't a World Championship is like Dave Meltzer's 5 star ratings system for matches in that nobody really understands it and it doesn't make a whole helluva lot of sense to anyone except themselves.

Given that the publication briefly began recognizing the NWA World Heavyweight Championship prior to TNA's creation of its own title, I always figured that having a valid television presence on American television was a major requirement. However, ROH has had a syndicated TV deal in place for a few years now and there's no recognition from them regarding the ROH World Championship.

Also, why doesn't ROH recognize the World Championship status of the IWGP or AJPW Triple Crown Heavyweight Championships? I know they're not American based companies but I don't see why that should be a factor, both have been powerhouse promotions in operation for decades. CMLL has had World Heavyweight, World Light Heavyweight and World Middleweight Championships in operation since '91 and '92, so why don't they get the recognition as CMLL itself has been in operation for some 82 years?

In the eyes of actual fans, I don't think PWI's recognition or lack of recognition is a factor whatsoever. I know I certainly don't need a bunch of "journalists" to tell me what I think is or isn't qualified to be a World Championship.

 

[Messiah]

It's unfortunate he's champion for a crappy company like TNA, a company that probably won't be around in 6 months.. PWI not recognizing it as a World Title makes sense, It's not a World Title anymore, it's a title for a company that's barely keeping their head above water. ROH World Title means more than the TNA Title.

 

[rmp0012002]

I don't consider any of them World Championships. You can call any belt a World title but they're not defended that way so inclusion in PWI doesn't change that. EC3's promo did little for the company since it has very little impact on the rest of wrestling. If there was a Monday Night War scenario between the them and the WWE it might mean something but right now TNA is no better that some low budget indie. One good promo is not going to miraculously change a poorly run company.

 

[MrHashasheen]

Why doesn't ROH recognize the World Championship status of the IWGP or AJPW Triple Crown Heavyweight Championships?

I don't think they're actually defined as such by the companies themselves.

The AJPW belts that make up the Triple Crown are:

NWA United National Championship - defended in America, Canada and Japan, but as a NWA title was never a world champion owing to the preexisting championship.

PWF Heavyweight Championship - Originally classified as a World Heavyweight championship, it was downgraded into a Heavyweight title and considered a regional title after AJPW joined the NWA.

NWA International Championship - Sounds like a world championship, but under the previous rules, it was never recognized as such.

The initial AJPW governing board was the PWF (much like NJPW's IGWP), which ruled the PWF title was indeed a world heavyweight title, and acted as their top title until they joined the NWA, upon which time all their singles titles that existed were considered regional titles. Afterwards, their titles were merged into the Triple Crown, and I believe AJPW has focused more on their value as three different belts rather than a vague claim to world title status. Notably as well, AJPW has never had the title change hands overseas.

As for NJPW, their primary title is of course the IGWP Heavyweight Championship. Considering they created an "Intercontinental" title for competition overseas when they came to the USA in 2011, and considering they were for a long period of time NWA members, the NWA World Heavyweight Championship would have held precedence over the IGWP Heavyweight Championship. This is especially so if you consider the nature of New Japan's weight-structured divisions, meaning all their titles would be world titles or not at all.

CMLL's claim to World Championships are quite nebulous, considering they lay claim to several "NWA" titles aren't legally speaking NWA, as they left the alliance quite a long time ago and just never bothered to change the names. That, plus a lack of international presence are what I'd put down to their lack of recognition.

Personally, I would put down recognition of a company's "world" championship to be down to significant televised presence + international presence (meaning beyond the shores of your own country). So AAA, ROH, NJPW and TNA have the right to claim such a title, with companies such as AJPW, NOAH, Wrestle-1, PCW, ICW, CMLL, Lucha Underground being part of the way there.

 

[ADLegend21]

I got goosebumps after watching that promo. It was an emotional moment for him and he admitted it but he was able to stay a little in character and it's one of the best, if not THE best, promos in the last few years. They booked him properly since he debuted and EC3 is a prime example of how you grow a star into a main event level talent.

 

[FromGlasgow]

Does anyone even still read these PWI magazines? I used to buy it for like 10 years straight but stopped around 15 years ago and haven't even seen it displayed in shop shelfs for years?
Taking away the world title status from TNA just as EC3 wins it is bullcrap from an almost forgotten about irelevant wrestling magazine probably trying to be relevant again.
Whatever mistakes TNA has made through the years I have mainly felt their heavyweight title to be quite prestigeous so I don't really care what some biased WWE mark journalist thinks.

 

[whoopin' ass]

How often is the wwe title defended outside of The States? My understanding is that it doesn't need to be defended a lot outside the States, just once, to be a world title. TNA did that as well as having Canadian and British Champions. That sounds like a World Title to me. Question is why now and not 6 months ago, or a year ago? TNA cuts out house shows due to their finance issues and suddenly their title is not a World Title anymore? So what, defend it in Canada and they will get their status back? PWI is taking a shot at TNA by doing this.

 

[A11oftheLights]

How often is the wwe title defended outside of The States? My understanding is that it doesn't need to be defended a lot outside the States, just once, to be a world title. TNA did that as well as having Canadian and British Champions. That sounds like a World Title to me. Question is why now and not 6 months ago, or a year ago? TNA cuts out house shows due to their finance issues and suddenly their title is not a World Title anymore? So what, defend it in Canada and they will get their status back? PWI is taking a shot at TNA by doing this.

The point PWI argued was that they aren't a big enough company to justify world title status. Which to me is fair enough, i always found it stupid that there is more than 1 world champion. While I dont necessarily have a problem with TNA claiming it, small time companies doing so frustrates me a little.

Also the WWE title is frequently defended outside of the US, even though they are a house show (and wouldnt have been while brock was champ)

 

[It's Damn Real!]

The point PWI argued was that they aren't a big enough company to justify world title status. Which to me is fair enough, i always found it stupid that there is more than 1 world champion. While I dont necessarily have a problem with TNA claiming it, small time companies doing so frustrates me a little.

Also the WWE title is frequently defended outside of the US, even though they are a house show (and wouldnt have been while brock was champ)

I've largely avoided this discussion, because frankly, I don't give a shit what PWI or any other outlet says. Not simply because they say it, at least. But I'd ask you to do two things:

1. Realize the TNA World Heavyweight Championship was just defended overseas on March 13th of this year in the UK.

2. Define "big time" or "small time"?

 

[A11oftheLights]

I've largely avoided this discussion, because frankly, I don't give a shit what PWI or any other outlet says. Not simply because they say it, at least. But I'd ask you to do two things:

1. Realize the TNA World Heavyweight Championship was just defended overseas on March 13th of this year in the UK.

2. Define "big time" or "small time"?

I dont give a shit what PWI says either, the only time I can remember reading PWI is when a mate got me an issue for a 10th birthday present and even then it might not have even been PWI

1. I know it was, didnt have anything to do with the title being stripped of its status by PWI, I only mentioned that WWE defended the belt outside of the US on house shows because whoopin' ass bought it up.

2. This is hard to put into words, for me at least. Its like the it factor, you know it when you see it.
I would say TNA isn't the big time, but its not the small time either (which is why I wasnt too fussed about them using the world title tag). I can tell you an example of a small company and thats Outback Championship Wrestling in Australia. These guys are doing shows in school gyms and the major sponsor is a wildlife park outside of a small city. Yet OCW still claim to be a World Championship (fwiw its held by drew galloway)