Douglas Williams' Appeal...

[ramblinroy682]

Can someone explain to me the appeal of Douglas Williams?

I get that he is a technically sound wrestler, but is he as good or better than Angle, Wolfe, Danielson, or Regal? I don't think so. In fact, I find his matches to be slow and dull. I don't really see him hitting innovative moves and his matches with AJ are average. I think AJ has to slow down for him. His rolling back drop is okay, but he won't be able to do that to guys like Morgan, Nash, Angle, or anyone with some size or who aren't athletic enough to pull it off.

I don't find him incredibly entertaining on the mic. I don't think he has "FACE" appeal. If you are a fan of Doug Williams, please explain to me why you feel he is great. What is it that you see in him as a wrestler?

Personally, I think Desmond Wolfe is a more entertaining version and should be the one in his spot.

 

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Me too. TNA fans on this forum claim to find Daniel Bryan boring but yet they find this guy entertaining? I've watched alot of his matches and the only good match he has had so far is against AJ. The guy was only ever slightly entertaining for me when he was with the British Invasion. The guy is the Billy Gunn of the TNA roster; No matter how good he is there is always somebody better than him in every aspect. I believe that person is Desmond Wolfe also but Wolfe is apparently difficult to work with.

He may be technically sound but how long has it took him to become something big? He is nearly 40 and he isn't getting any better while others like Wolfe are younger.

 

[MrHashasheen]

I like him. He might not appeal to a lot people, but to me (and I study in the UK), he's a generally affable fellow as a face (which is all I've seen from him personally since the pre-Bound For Glory stuff was random watching at best). A guy you'd drink a pint or two with and watch a soccer match with. Plus he's a decent wrestler with a nice finisher, and that's always a plus. He could use an actual character besides being against Immortal/Fortune, but that does take time to build up.

 

[DangerousDave]

I like Douglas Williams because he represents old school wrestling. No flash, just straight forward wrestling moves. He is a nice change of pace in contrast to the spot monkeys, and by the way I like spot monkeys too. Its interesting to watch him counter the high fliers. His gimmick is that he has no gimmick, he's just a technical wrestler. I've met him and he is a really nice guy, the kind of guy as MrHashasheen says you would drink a pint with and have a good time.

 

[FitFinlay4Life]

I love Williams - he reminds me of guys like Anderson, Zbysko, Eaton and Finlay. Great mat technicians and brawlers but medium sized guys who are not chiselled out of stone. I have no problem believing that Doug could give big guys like Morgan and Abyss runs for their money and at the same time I have no trouble thinking guys like Red can pull out the win against him. In a world where wrestling is a dirty word in it's biggest promotion, it's nice to see a genuine mat proficient wrestler getting a push.

 

[flocker]

My understanding is that Wolfe is badly injured and may never wrestle again.
I like wrestlers who can wrestle and fight. Mid carders who can lose or win at any time. Jericho, Malenko, Benoit. Somebody already mentioned Finlay, even Regal.

Hard edged wrestlers should always be useful in a wrestling company.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

His appeal is simple — he's a superior mat tactician/technician who is capable of wrestling like few of his peers.

He also has something that guys like Benoit and Danielson never had/will have — a personality. The best comparison I could offer would be a man like Regal or perhaps even Bret Hart.

 

[MancMark]

Before I say anything I should state that yes, I am English, and no that isn't going to cloud my judgement.

I don't mind Williams. He isn't fantastically entertaining to me, but then neither is Jeff Hardy and he's strolling around off his nut with what looks like a Power Rangers belt around his waist. William's is very old school, and I do like that. I prefer him to Regal, but then I've never liked Regal.

I do really like his finisher, although he would have a problem landing on a big bastard. I disagree with the author of this thread slightly, because I imagine he would be able to put it on Angle. Also, AJ's finish is good, but it's not like he can nail big blokes with it either, and that's not harmed him as a wrestler.

Personally, I much prefer Wolfe. He returns in a couple of weeks I gather, so I'd much rather he gets a push instead. But saying I prefer Wolfe to Williams isn't an insult because I prefer Wolfe to 90% of wrestlers. He's good on the mic, he appeals to proper British viewers because he isn't "rent a snob" (Regal for instance), and he's top-notch in the ring. He might be difficult to work with, but then so is a massive appendage and my wife has been doing fine with that for years. I'm here all week...

 

[Joe's Gonna Kill You]

I'm Huge Douglas Williams Fan and I think he has lots of appeal he is a tremendous technical wrestler and he also has a personality which not many guys who wrestle that way have. He reminds me alot of William Regal.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

I've become a fan of Douglas Williams because the man stands out to me. Wrestling has so many characters that are flashy, colorful and basically scream "look at me". The fact that Williams isn't like that ultimately is one thing that makes him stand out.

The man can also very much wrestle and I enjoy watching his matches. While I might not find him as "exciting" or energetic as a Kofi Kingston or AJ Styles, Williams is a wrestler who, like Daniel Bryan in my view, shows that you can take a lot of what originally made pro wrestling, add a little dash of modern flash, mix it up and you have a recipe for entertaining matches. I wouldn't trade Douglas Williams for 20 guys just like Amazing Red.

 

[Trance Metaphor]

The only thing I don't like about Doug Williams is his taunt. That side-to-side head movement just looks odd.

Now, onto his in-ring skills. The guy is quality. I love his finisher and the relentless endurance that he has. He has good control and his technical repertoire is outstanding. I'd love to see him in triple threat matches against guys like Kurt Angle and Desmond Wolfe. I'll admit, at first I hated the guy 'cause he seemed boring and uncharismatic, but overtime that changed. I enjoyed his matches against Brian Kendrick and his recent exchanges with AJ Styles. But, anyone denying this man of his skills should go back and watch his ROH work when he took part in tournaments. I'm hoping he could be the guy that could revive the lack of competition for the TNA Television Championship.

 

[marklouis]

I'm not a fan either. I would agree with a lot of what you said-his matches are slow & boring, & he's not all that great on the mic. But he's a decent mid card guy, someone who is reliable & can fill 8-10 minutes of air time. But i wouldn't put any of the belts on him, unless he was part of a tag team. I'd much rather see AJ feuding with someone like The Pope or Jay Lethal or even Anderson. I hope they do some sort of reincarnation of The British Invasion with Williams, Magnus, & Wolfe-they seemed to tease that a couple of weeks ago.

 

[ABMorales787]

He stands out because Old School is Cool. His wrestling ability is superior to most of the TNA roster and that becomes an attraction by itself, because you know that when he meets up with another great technical wrestler, it's gonna be a big match. That's what happened with his feud with AJ Styles. You know for a fact that they are both superior wrestlers, so you expect to see a superior wrestling match. At the same time, he has that old school "tough guy" aura. Maybe not to the extent of guys like Harley Race and others of his time, but the similarities are there. And that becomes an attraction of nostalgia to older fan's who remember those kind of characters, and an attraction of curiosity for younger one's who learn what technical wrestling is all about. As acharacter by himself, he always has that British charm and wit whenever he cuts a promo. Which is unique nowadays. You don't really get that from other Brit's like Wade Barrett.

Plus there's that killer Chaos Theory Suplex.

 

[BK Styles]

I think Williams is actually very entertaining. Granted, he isn't the best, and unfortunately he won't be a World Champion, but he is one of the most superior technical wrestlers out there (one of, not the best, but up there.) He's a former British Judo champion; I happen to know someone who practices Judo on a Blue Belt, and it's a very technical and impressive skill. And for those of you who say he can't do his finisher (The Chaos Theory) to big guys, I'm about 85% sure I've seen him do it to Abyss in FWA about 4 or 5 years ago.
The problem with Williams in TNA is, in my opinion, that he doesn't fit the mould there. He reminds me a lot of regal with his style; he's old school and sticking to it. He's aggressive but not flashy. If you enjoy pure skill in a match, and by that I don't mean the backflip kind, then he is a guy to behold and marvel. I honestly think he'd be more suited to Ring of Honour. Hell, I'd go as far as to say he'd be better in WWE. First of all, they seem to be on a British kick at the moment, and secondly, they seem to be reverting slowly back to that style. We've seen Regal return from the wilderness recently, and Daniel Bryan has come in with his own unique style, and is arguably one of the more popular guys on the show. In my book, Williams would be a great heel US Champion. As a face, he'd be a bit bland, but a lot of technical guys are (save for Angle and Jericho) and they've gotten on fine.
You may think I'm crazy but I really do like the guy. He's not as entertaining as people like AJ but I believe he's a damn better actual wrestler. I just think he's in a company where his style doesn't come off as well as it could do on a different stage. Parts may be due to the audience in the iMPACT zone, I dunno (btw, do they still get in for free? If so, LOL at TNA)

 

[McGillicutty]

The Appeal of Douglas Williams is that yes he actually is THAT good and he IS as good/better than Danielson , Regal , Angle , and Wolfe

I'd say better than all 4 TBH

You put Douglas Williams in any match , and I wanna watch it for sure. I can't say the same about 3 of the 4 you listed actually.

 

[MoizH28]

I didnt like Douglas Williams at first but when he became a singles competitor going for the X division title is when he grew on on me. I like his work, I like most wrestlers whose in ring work looks stiff and intense. I also think he has more of a personality than Daniel Bryan, I loved the whole tap or snap thing they had for two weeks with him but I dont really like this goofy Daniel Bryan WWE is giving us now.

 

[Malenko316]

Firstly this issue of Danielson is better because he's in WWE or Wolfe/Williams are better because they're in TNA is BS, and just marks bitching.

While it's true that Williams doesn't have much in the way of a defined 'gimmick', I would say that is actually the nature of his character and why he stands out in TNA - which is otherwise full of stop monkeys and old, over the hill 'vererns' who can accept or afford it's time to retire. By not being made to act out (usually very badly) a paper thin persona, Williams gains more crediability IMHO.

As to whether he's better than Wolfe, well, 'better' in pro-wrestling is always subjective. They're about tied interms of technical ability, both just behind Danielson, but Williams hasn't attempted (or it seems been asked) to portray a either snob or chav (british redneck equivilent) like Wolfe. Although, having meet Wolfe at UK wrestling show, he gave the impression of not needing much of a script to be an arse.

In the end, that's the appeal of Williams, wrestling simplicity. No need for the over scripted persona of Wolfe or stupid shit between Danielson and the Bellas.PV

 

[wrestlingfan]

Douglas Williams is a good technical wrestler that can high-fly when its needed but like others said he's not World Title material. He will need a gimmick to step it up.

Danielson is doing good so far in the WWE but this whole "Normal guy" thing Daniel has going may not work. Having the Bella Twins, two of the hottest girls in WWE on his shoulders will get some personality into him possibly turning him heel.

Wolfe on the underhand is main event material. He has the gimmick, the mic skills and in ring ability. He's practically perfect but lets just see how it works out in this remake of the British Invasion. I would suggest getting Burchill into the company as the enforcer.

 

[FitFinlay4Life]

Douglas Williams is a good technical wrestler that can high-fly when its needed but like others said he's not World Title material. He will need a gimmick to step it up.

Danielson is doing good so far in the WWE but this whole "Normal guy" thing Daniel has going may not work. Having the Bella Twins, two of the hottest girls in WWE on his shoulders will get some personality into him possibly turning him heel.

Wolfe on the underhand is main event material. He has the gimmick, the mic skills and in ring ability. He's practically perfect but lets just see how it works out in this remake of the British Invasion. I would suggest getting Burchill into the company as the enforcer.

Great idea, a more substantial British Invasion would make an ideal opposition for FOURtune. The problem they face though is that it is very hard to get the TNA fans to cheer Brits over AJ and Beer Money. So a swerve turn by Williams, Wolfe, Magnus, Burchill and Terry beating up FOURtune (easy to find incentive as Williams left, Wolfe was passed over and Big Rob could be in as a swerve) on Immortal's behalf would sort this out. I'd also jump Winter over as she could beautifully fill a Madusa/ Dangerous Alliance or Chyna/ dX role (with Chelsea along as the referee distraction). I think FOURtune could use a rejig too; Flair, AJ and Beer Money are just to popular - replace Kaz (a jump to Immortal by assisting in the betrayal should handle this) with the Blueprint and we have the ideal TNA face/ tweener faction and a believable factions war (just build it on the past history between Flair and Hogan/ Bishoff).

 

[wrestlingfan]

Well if Winter seems good in the Knockouts division because she has her own feud there but if you really are thinking of pushing the British Invasion ehres th etitles they should go for.

Desmond Wolf-World Title
Williams-TV Title
Burchill-X-Division Title
Magnus And Terry-Tag Titles.

 

[shattered dreams]

I could see a world elite swerve in here somewhere but that is a different thread.

It is quite sad if there really are people who do not see how awesome Williams is in the ring. Williams is not getting a main event push, he is simply doing well on the midcard. What is the problem? He has enough personality to put on a decent feud that can become a plus feud based on his in-ring talents. The TV title has never been better positioned than it is right now IMO. Williams deserves some of the credit for that.

 

[wrestlingfan]

I could see a world elite swerve in here somewhere but that is a different thread.

It is quite sad if there really are people who do not see how awesome Williams is in the ring. Williams is not getting a main event push, he is simply doing well on the midcard. What is the problem? He has enough personality to put on a decent feud that can become a plus feud based on his in-ring talents. The TV title has never been better positioned than it is right now IMO. Williams deserves some of the credit for that.

Honestly the TV title does have some use. For 1 its for the upeper mic card guys that cant be put in the X-Divsion or Tag Teams. Abd Also I think Williams is good where hes at. He just doesn thave the charisma or gimmick to fit in the main event.

 

[Hulk Hogan's Brother]

What is the appeal of Doug Williams? Simple, he is a very good wrestler who can put on a good match with anyone. And for that quality alone he deserves a place in the midcard. Sure he lacks personality and for that he will never be a main eventer, something which he isn't now. So frankly I cannot think of a reason why anyone might have a complaint with this guy. He is in the company to put on an entertaining match and he is doing his job well.