Does Triple H not like The Miz?

[NegativeFeedback]

The Miz had a rocket strapped to his ass after WrestleMania 25 when he split from John Morrison and started his singles career in a feud with John Cena. After that, he became US Champion and became a huge favorite with the higher-ups as he would get tons of publicity from his media appearances with the US title. At one point, when R-Truth was US Champion, they had him drop the title to The Miz just so Miz can keep wearing the title in his public appearances. After a great feud with Daniel Bryan on NXT, Miz won the Money in the Bank, dropped the midcard title to Bryan, and became WWE Champion. He wore that title for over 3 months and main evented WrestleMania where he got to feud with John Cena and The Rock. He was on top of the world.

At the time, Triple H wasn't yet in charge of Talent Relations. This all changed during the Summer of Punk, when Triple H started getting more backstage duties along with a new on-screen authority role. This is when Miz's stock started to fall. He started a tag team with R-Truth that saw him face CM Punk and Triple H at Vengeance, and John Cena and The Rock at Survivor Series. But before that happened, Miz got some huge heat after a 6-man-tag on Raw.

During the Six-Pack Challenge on Monday's RAW SuperShow, R-Truth attempted a slingshot somersault onto The Miz but his fall was not absorbed due to the former WWE Champion being out-of-position. R-Truth ended up falling back-first onto the floor, causing his head to whip back. At that point, the referee decided R-Truth was no longer able to compete and personnel assisted him to the locker room area. The Miz is being blamed for the errant spot and there was a ton of heat on him from company officials, including Triple H, backstage after the show. The WWE Executive Vice President of Talent "loudly disciplined" The Miz in front of wrestlers as soon as he returned to the back.

The Wrestling Observer also chimed in on the issue:

Dave Meltzer: "HHH gave Miz a tongue lashing backstage about not catching him. Miz was a big favorite of management a year ago because his notoriety was such from "Real World" that they got so much publicity when he won the title that nobody else in the company could have gotten. But the feeling now is that he's regressed, both in the ring and on promos. Certainly, he's booked a lot lower than a year ago but the feeling is when he was in the same position before he was hungry and forced them to make him a headliner. Now, he's mid-card and he's doing no such thing, and this mess up can't have helped him."

Mike Aldren"One person specifically used the opportunity to politic and bury Miz for the botch, a scenario I fully expected given that the exact same thing happened when the soon to be fired Mr. Kennedy, now TNA's Mr. Anderson, botched a back suplex on Randy Orton's previously injured shoulder in May 2009."

And of course, we all remember the infamous "Miz's fault" issue in 2011. For those who don't know, Miz took the sole blame for the low buyrate for Survivor Series, despite the fact that all the marketing was about The Rock's in-ring return.

Now, being blamed for something that was obviously not his fault seems completely ridiculous, but this coincidentally happened at the time Triple H took over creative. After one last main event at TLC 2011, The Miz was moved way down the card, staying on the midcard and spending all of 2012 and 2013 either jobbing or swapping midcard titles with Wade and Kofi.

I for one am a big fan of The Miz, despite the fact that the internet fans have seemingly turned on him the same way they turn on everybody who gets de-pushe. Once an internet favorite gets unceremoniously shoved down the card, people start bagging on him saying he didn't cut it despite the fact he was over and id absolutely nothing wrong (Kofi, Miz, Morrison, Dolph, Ryder, etc.).

I thought Miz was the perfect guy to join The Authority and feud with Daniel Bryan on the way to WrestleMania, but of course, it doesn't look like Miz has any place in a faction led by Triple H.

So do you guys agree and think Miz's fall from grace has been Triple H's doing?

If so, why do you think Triple H dislikes him? And most importantly, do you agree?

 

[NancyBenoit]

Miz has absolutely nothing going for him in my opinion. I am so shocked that he was ever the champ...that was such poor booking, the guy is a lower mid carder at best, for life. He received a massive push for no apparent reason and now he is where he belongs, not in the lower mid card, completely off the card. He's a reality tv guy who got lucky. Triple H knows the business and he knows that people like miz are worth nothing. But with that being said I can assure you if TNA got a hold of him, he would be an absolute A+ world champ.

 

[lbastone6]

The miz has nothing going for him in my opinion, but I wouldn't say triple H is the best at seeing talent either. I mean I remember hearing he said the rock didn't have what it took and he very clearly didn't think CM Punk had anything to offer. The guy is no Paul heyman or Jim Ross in that aspect let's be honest.

 

[Mongoose McQueen]

If he doesn't, I would not blame him because he does suck. However, as stated above HHH is not the best talent scout in the world.

 

[backwardsrko]

The Miz was very entertaining to watch as WWE Champ. It was so awesome how he came out on Raw and beat Orton for the belt, instead of just going in there and cashing in and pinning him. He actually gave Orton a chance. It was good! It was entertaining. I dont know what is wrong with you all?? Are you all so messed up from the internet that you all cant appreciate the Miz, yet you all appreciate David Arquette? I swear, kids run wrestlezone. Along with the moderators.

 

[resignedknight]

The Miz was very entertaining to watch as WWE Champ. It was so awesome how he came out on Raw and beat Orton for the belt, instead of just going in there and cashing in and pinning him. He actually gave Orton a chance. It was good! It was entertaining. I dont know what is wrong with you all?? Are you all so messed up from the internet that you all cant appreciate the Miz, yet you all appreciate David Arquette? I swear, kids run wrestlezone. Along with the moderators.

I agree. I was very skeptical of the Miz at first, but I think he was great as the WWE Champion. The problem started with his face turn; he is the absolute definition of a natural heel. I do think he's being punished for something, whether it's the points made by the OP or something we don't know about. My guess is they pushed him too hard at first, and somebody backstage decided he had some dues to pay before he gets back to that level. But they're keeping him around, and I expect him to get a push sooner or later.

 

[Last Man Standing]

Here's another question?

Why does everyone assume Triple H is always to blame? Just cause Triple H barked at Miz for not catching Truth? That means nothing. Miz deserved a tongue lashing. No different than a football coach chewing out his Quarterback for throwing a stupid interception. You expect the best for everyone.

 

[SodaPopinski84]

In my opinion, the Miz was one of the worst, if not the worst, to ever hold the world championship. I am of the belief that the ONLY reason why he ever got a push was because of his MTV connection. Admittedly, I was not watching wrestling during his title reign. But the reason why I had stopped watching for such a long time was because of guys like him. He just doesn't add anything to the product. IMHO.

 

[steven87gill]

despite the fact that the internet fans have seemingly turned on him the same way they turn on everybody who gets de-pushed. Once an internet favorite gets unceremoniously shoved down the card, people start bagging on him saying he didn't cut it despite the fact he was over and did absolutely nothing wrong (Kofi, Miz, Morrison, Dolph, Ryder, etc.).

Couldn't agree more.

Miz has absolutely nothing going for him in my opinion. I am so shocked that he was ever the champ...that was such poor booking, the guy is a lower mid carder at best, for life. He received a massive push for no apparent reason and now he is where he belongs, not in the lower mid card, completely off the card. He's a reality tv guy who got lucky. Triple H knows the business and he knows that people like miz are worth nothing. But with that being said I can assure you if TNA got a hold of him, he would be an absolute A+ world champ.

Exactly what the op was referring to.

Also, I didn't consider that the Miz could have taken Orton's place in the Authority story-line. That would've been a great way to re-elevate Miz as well as create a great foil for D-Bry.

 

[Kamala316]

Go to YouTube and search "The Miz after winning WWE Championship" (Backstage). Watch HHH when Miz tries to shake his hand as soon as he comes through the curtain, his reaction is priceless. But things change once HHH realizes there's a camera on them. Miz is a great heel, and someone who loves/respects the business. And I respect the hell out of him for speaking up and taking blame for the low SS buyrate in '11 (featuring the Rock), that's a company guy for you, very few would do that. I wonder how many PPV buyrates were down when HHH was main eventing? Nevertheless, I do think HHH is jealous of Miz's mainstream popularity from MTV, and the success (as crazy as that sounds) that he has achieved in his wrestling career. God bless HHH and his golden shovel!

 

[IT Factor]

WWE is a business that is all about finding the right storyline for the right people. Miz has seemingly fallen victim to that. I actually didn't like him when he was doing his tag team thing with Morrison but I liked his run as WWE Champion. He was entertaining on the mic and had decent feuds. The problem is you either keep evolving or you get lost in the shuffle. Miz kinda has that problem in my view. Maybe it was the face turn that made him more bland and vanilla, but he has gotten opportunities so it cannot be a case of HHH not liking him. If that were the case, he'd have been released long ago. Of course, WWE has a bad pattern of start and stop pushes which is another of their problems with failure to make new stars. Guys like Sheamus, Bryan, Swagger, Kofi, and others are proof of that theory.

 

[NegativeFeedback]

Here's another question?

Why does everyone assume Triple H is always to blame? Just cause Triple H barked at Miz for not catching Truth? That means nothing. Miz deserved a tongue lashing. No different than a football coach chewing out his Quarterback for throwing a stupid interception. You expect the best for everyone.

WWE blaming The Miz for the Survivor Series buyrate became an instant meme in 2011. People started saying "Miz's fault" for random things from Sin Cara botches to bad promos, simply because blaming The Miz for those things were just as ridiculous as WWE blaming him for the Survivor Series buyrate.

The Miz was on a consistent push for 2 years and it was suddenly derailed at the time Triple H took charge of Talent Relations in late 2011. That's far from a coincidence.

Triple H will be blamed from now on for de-pushes simply because he IS to blame. He's the guy in charge. He chooses when someone gets fired (Chris Hero), when someone gets buried (Zack), when someone gets de-pushed (Miz, Dolph), etc. It's pure speculation to blame Triple H for burial jobs pre-2011, but post-2011, we all know he's the guy calling the shots.

Sometimes it makes sense when he de-pushes a guy. Jack Swagger deserved to be moved down the pecking order after getting a DUI during the biggest push of his career. But for all these other guys, we can only make guesses as to why Triple H lost faith in them.

 

[NegativeFeedback]

Go to YouTube and search "The Miz after winning WWE Championship" (Backstage). Watch HHH when Miz tries to shake his hand as soon as he comes through the curtain, his reaction is priceless. But things change once HHH realizes there's a camera on them. Miz is a great heel, and someone who loves/respects the business. And I respect the hell out of him for speaking up and taking blame for the low SS buyrate in '11 (featuring the Rock), that's a company guy for you, very few would do that. I wonder how many PPV buyrates were down when HHH was main eventing? Nevertheless, I do think HHH is jealous of Miz's mainstream popularity from MTV, and the success (as crazy as that sounds) that he has achieved in his wrestling career. God bless HHH and his golden shovel!

Damn, that's a great video, I had never seen it. Here it is for all of you who haven't seen it either:
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The Miz offers Triple H a handshake and Triple H just stares at his hand with a pissed off look. That's just priceless. Miz even nods like "I see how it is, ok". Once Trips notices there's a camera though, he tells Miz to turn around so he can shake his hand. That's just beautiful foreshadowing to the total burial job Triple H is going to give Miz when he is in charge.

I actually want to note John Cena's animosity in this. He says "Congratulations" in a very serious tone, and when Miz is thanking him, he replies with "You're only as good as you do next week". Sure, he didn't come off as hostile or anythimg, but I think that's a kind of a toolish thing to say when being showered with gratitude. There's definitely some animosity there too. I remember John cutting a promo about how he had to carry a green wrestler for the past few months, obviously referring to The Miz.

With both Triple H and Cena against you, there's no way you can move up in the world.

 

[Last Man Standing]

WWE blaming The Miz for the Survivor Series buyrate became an instant meme in 2011. People started saying "Miz's fault" for random things from Sin Cara botches to bad promos, simply because blaming The Miz for those things were just as ridiculous as WWE blaming him for the Survivor Series buyrate.

The Miz was on a consistent push for 2 years and it was suddenly derailed at the time Triple H took charge of Talent Relations in late 2011. That's far from a coincidence.

Triple H will be blamed from now on for de-pushes simply because he IS to blame. He's the guy in charge. He chooses when someone gets fired (Chris Hero), when someone gets buried (Zack), when someone gets de-pushed (Miz, Dolph), etc. It's pure speculation to blame Triple H for burial jobs pre-2011, but post-2011, we all know he's the guy calling the shots.

Sometimes it makes sense when he de-pushes a guy. Jack Swagger deserved to be moved down the pecking order after getting a DUI during the biggest push of his career. But for all these other guys, we can only make guesses as to why Triple H lost faith in them.

So even though many reports still say Vince has the final say in everything that goes on, we are still going to blindly blame Triple H without any facts to back it up? For all you know Triple H has nothing at all to do with Miz's spot. For all you know he may be one of Miz's biggest backstage supporters.

The handshake video is nothing. Triple H was clapping and congratulating Miz. No need to make it some big issue and act like it means more than it did. Had he been sitting there refusing to acknowledge him then you may have something, but you don't.

 

[Aquaman6686]

The Miz is a guy I REALLY did not like when he first showed up. He was brought up to the main roster long before he was ready and he was annoying as hell. But over the course of a few years, The Miz worked his damn ass off, improved dramatically, and earned my respect. By late 2009 The Miz was one of my favorite guys on the RAW roster. I still didn't think he was ready to be WWE Champion when he won it, but he continued working his ass off and improving week after week. While I think Miz is better suited to an upper midcard position, he's a guy I would have no problem with getting another short main event run here and there. I feel he's done nothing wrong to deserve the enormous de-push he's gotten, whether or not that has anything to do with Triple H, I have no idea.

 

[NegativeFeedback]

So even though many reports still say Vince has the final say in everything that goes on, we are still going to blindly blame Triple H without any facts to back it up? For all you know Triple H has nothing at all to do with Miz's spot. For all you know he may be one of Miz's biggest backstage supporters.

The handshake video is nothing. Triple H was clapping and congratulating Miz. No need to make it some big issue and act like it means more than it did. Had he been sitting there refusing to acknowledge him then you may have something, but you don't.

Triple H's official title is the Executive VP of Talent and absorbed his wife's position of Executive VP of Creative last year as well. This isn't "blindly blaming Triple H", it's his freaking job.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

Even several years back before Triple H became an executive, I remember reading reports alleging that Triple H wasn't a big fan of The Miz. Of course, I've no clue if they were legit or not. I remember that match on Raw in which Miz was supposed to catch R-Truth and didn't. Not only did he not catch him, but it looks like he purposely stepped out of the way, so it's perfectly understandable if he was chewed out over that.

I also remember the reports alleging WWE blamed The Miz for the low buyrates for Survivor Series 2011, but I don't think there's any validity to them. According to WWE's 4th quarterly report for 2011, Survivor Series did 312,000 buys. It's one of the biggest buyrates the event has had in a while, 2009's Survivor Series had 319,000. The 2010 Survivor Series, which was headlined by a triple threat match for the WWE Championship between John Cena, Shawn Michaels & Triple H, only did 244,000. During the build for the tag match against Cena & The Rock, he & R-Truth were essentially made to look like a couple of clowns that posed no real threat. What drew for that Survivor Series was the novelty of it being The Rock's first wrestling match since, if I'm not mistaken, WrestleMania XX.

I like Miz, I'm probably a minority on that, but I generally enjoyed him while he was WWE Champion and the guy has worked hard for WWE. He's always done whatever role he's been given to the best of his ability without the typical bitching & moaning that's more common place today. Even if what he's handed is pure crap, he's always tried his best and I respect any wrestler that does that whether they're a personal favorite of mine or not.

 

[NancyBenoit]

Go to YouTube and search "The Miz after winning WWE Championship" (Backstage). Watch HHH when Miz tries to shake his hand as soon as he comes through the curtain, his reaction is priceless. But things change once HHH realizes there's a camera on them. Miz is a great heel, and someone who loves/respects the business. And I respect the hell out of him for speaking up and taking blame for the low SS buyrate in '11 (featuring the Rock), that's a company guy for you, very few would do that. I wonder how many PPV buyrates were down when HHH was main eventing? Nevertheless, I do think HHH is jealous of Miz's mainstream popularity from MTV, and the success (as crazy as that sounds) that he has achieved in his wrestling career. God bless HHH and his golden shovel!

Are you serious?? He was clapping and then shook his hand. This is typical of this generation that believes everyone should be loved and patted on the back at all times, you *****es are all so PC

 

[Pedigree1]

The Miz seems just to get in his own way a lot of the times. True enough,what happened with him at Survivor Series 2011,the supposed low-buy rates,is not his fault.. It was built around the rocks return,i truly dont know what the WWE expected the buyrates to be then.. Trips is the Executive VP of Talent so really its his job to do this sorta of thing. I think Triple H,regardless of how he feels about the Miz is not petty enough to bury him.

The Miz sorta has brought this upon himself in a way. The way Truth Landed in the six-pack challenge,miz just sorta looked at him and to me didnt care. Booking him as champion was one of the worse decisions ever the WWE has made.. But I do agree,whatever they hand him he makes the best out of any situation there is. Gotta give him props with that

 

[Last Man Standing]

Triple H's official title is the Executive VP of Talent and absorbed his wife's position of Executive VP of Creative last year as well. This isn't "blindly blaming Triple H", it's his freaking job.

But you're still making accusations without any facts. Just cause Miz isn't main eventing Wrestlemania doesn't mean Triple H has some hidden agenda. Judging by this dumb thread and your oh so funny picture, you're just looking for an excuse to randomly bash and blame Triple H without any proof. Very productive.

 

[Last Man Standing]

The Miz seems just to get in his own way a lot of the times. True enough,what happened with him at Survivor Series 2011,the supposed low-buy rates,is not his fault.. It was built around the rocks return,i truly dont know what the WWE expected the buyrates to be then.. Trips is the Executive VP of Talent so really its his job to do this sorta of thing. I think Triple H,regardless of how he feels about the Miz is not petty enough to bury him.

The Miz sorta has brought this upon himself in a way. The way Truth Landed in the six-pack challenge,miz just sorta looked at him and to me didnt care. Booking him as champion was one of the worse decisions ever the WWE has made.. But I do agree,whatever they hand him he makes the best out of any situation there is. Gotta give him props with that

Oh come on, you know everything is Triple H's fault. Vince doesn't do a damn thing wrong, Triple H is the only one that makes decisions nowadays.

Didn't get that raise you were promised? Triple H's fault.

Ran out of gas while on a date? Triple H's fault.

Reading a stupid thread on Wrestlezone forums? Triple H's fault.

Everything is Triple H's fault.

 

[Kodo Sawaki]

I like The Miz. Was at "house show" and that was at the time he started singles career and was having his first Cena rivalry when he was coming out and called Cena out when Cena was injured and saying something like "The Miz 7- John Cena 0". He took promo then and you could see that he is gold at the mic and that WWE will invest in him in future.

But Miz was never ever "IWC darling". Everyone praised his mic work but his wrestling ability not so much. And its kinda right on that, he was never that good in ring as he was on mic. But he was entertaining and he got good heat for a heel.

As concerned to his de-push its because they didnt have faith in him. They gaved him strap but he somehow along the way lost that trust from WWE. Maybe because buyrates, HHH or something else but he lost it along the way. Part of it was that he was never made to much believablle as champion. At RR he defended against Jery Lawler for cryin outloud and he was put after that in Wrestlemania match only to set up Cena- Rock "Once in a lifetime".

Though I wonder if his Wrestlemania streak continues this year to. He is in Andre Battle Royal so if he wins maybe he is on his way to push again.

 

[kadroan]

I don't think HHH hates him. I just think they have nothing to do with The Miz. He's not a legit draw.

He does good work on movies and TV appearances. Miz is just staying in his lane

 

[Headman]

I guess if you look at the fact that Miz main evented Wrestlemania then followed up with absolutely nothing you would have to assume someone somewhere didn't like him. But I remember Miz's push. I remember being confused as to why the Miz of all people won Money in the Bank. Then I remember thinking "Wrestlemania is in a couple months, why does Miz still have the belt?". Then I remember thinking "The Rock and Cena are having a pretty good feud on the mic. But wait, Rock is hosting. Who is Cena facing again?".

It's plain to see that the Miz didn't pull his weight in the Wrestlemania match. He shouldn't have been booked in it in the first place. I hate to say it, but CM Punk would have been a bit harder to ignore than the Miz. And that's exactly what Rock, Cena and the entire viewing audience did. They ignored the Miz. So no, Triple H doesn't hate the Miz. He just knows he's not a draw and it was a mistake to push him in the first place. And don't let revisionist history convince you that the Miz was ever hot. He wasn't. The Miz was never over as a main eventer. He was the benefactor / victim of ridiculous booking.

 

[Kamala316]

Hey Nancy Benoit - Miz worked his tail off, and did all kinds of in-ring and out of ring work (i.e. - autograph signings, media appearances, movies, etc.) for WWE, and was a legit heel when he won the belt. They gave him the keys to the car, and wanted to see what he could do with it - he deserved a shot. My point is that HHH and his infinite "love and passion for the business" should want new stars to be created and get over with the crowd. But because of his dislike for the kid, he got buried. It's got nothing to do with your "pat on the back/everyone who plays gets a trophy" analogy - it's got to do with one man's ego that will probably end up changing the industry, and not for the better. In the words of Ariane: "Girl, bye."