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Does the WWE Need A Major , Major Shake Up

The only way the WWE's gonna change is if Vince steps down,the creative team get fired or if TNA,ROH,Stampede& UFC create some sort of joint fed that would bitchslap the WWE & force them to stepup their game

UFC? Its doing fine as it is.

I think the problem at the moment , one is the creative teams in the WWE which is total crap. But the other is the amount of dead wood around , under contract , not doing anything special. Guys like Matt Striker , Big Daddy V , Santino Marella. Who aren't at all watchable , and have nothing in the ring. Then theres guys like Snitsky , Khali and one Again Big Daddy V. Who fill an annoying role , the heel that can't wrestle. And the creative team still use them , in place of guys with real talent.

And then theres the guys who aren't given the push that they should. Kane in the past has been deserving of a real push , Shelton Benjamin is an excellant athelete that could credibly go along way.
 
The WWE needs to ride out their current situation. Remember back to the old days when the WWF was riding high off of Hogan, Savage, Warrior, etc. Then when all of them jumped ship (or just fell off the face of the earth), Vince was left with nobody. I mean, Wrestlemania XI featured LT vs. Bam Bam Bigelow. Doesn't that sort of remind you of Vince vs. Donald Trump? It's an easy way to get butts in the seats and to get PPV sales.

Bringing in old guys will do NOTHING. It will just prolong the WWE's problems if they do that. That's why WCW went under. It kept pushing the same wrestlers over and over and over again, and they never made any new stars during the Bischoff era (with the exception of Goldberg). WWE needs to push the guys they have and make stars out of them.

I would argue that the reason the WWF was so successful from 98-01 was largely because of the strength of its undercard matches. Look at Wrestlemania X-Seven. Every single one of those matches had some kind of top draw in it. It was a deep roster, and the undercard was just as attractive as the main-event draws.

Get rid of the brand extension. Having two sets of totally different storylines everyweek is confusing for the fans.
 
Here's something that really could help all the brands collectively, and it is a really simple thing to do. Actually have titles occassionally change hands on the weekly show's, something they refuse to do (well there is the injury exception currently). Maybe even have someone on the verge or breaking through win the title out of nowhere. This would be a huge change from the current format of only having title changes at the pay-per-views, and i know they only do that so they can build up anticipation and get more ppv buys. In my opinion by changing belts occasionally on the weekly show it would give the main storylines more twists which is always good.
 
A lot of people mentioning bringing Steve Austin back as an active wrestler. I think the one major problem is that he would not come back and job to John Cena like everyone else.

Here's something that really could help all the brands collectively, and it is a really simple thing to do. Actually have titles occassionally change hands on the weekly show's, something they refuse to do (well there is the injury exception currently). Maybe even have someone on the verge or breaking through win the title out of nowhere. This would be a huge change from the current format of only having title changes at the pay-per-views, and i know they only do that so they can build up anticipation and get more ppv buys. In my opinion by changing belts occasionally on the weekly show it would give the main storylines more twists which is always good.

I agree with this 100%. Title changes are what keep people watching - back when WCW was around and the WWE needed to keep fresh to stay in business, there were 1 or 2 title changes a year. Nowadays, it's all about selling little spinny belts to kids. It's no coincidence that Raw ratings peaked during the days when it was edgy and aimed more at male adults - rather than Children. I can see John Cena turning up at Wrestlemania this year on Thomas the Tank Engine...

They hyped Lashley vs Cena as if it was this great fued that was amazing, and it started about 3 weeks before the PPV. A fued like that should have been built up for arund 3 - 4 months, with cliff hangers along te way.
I agree with this comment in principle, but my God you couldn't have picked a worse example. can you imagine a 4 month feud between Cena and Lashley??? Cena's lame 200 year old catchphrases, and Lashley's monumental 5 word interviews???
 
I agree with Steamboat Ricky...the brand extension is what has been causing problems. It was originally created to "create new stars" but in all honesty, who has benefitted? Guys like Undertaker, Triple H, John Cena...they'll always be stars. Where they fail is to take guys like Snitsky, Big Daddy V, Khali and shove them into the main events instead of sending them down to OVW or FCW to hone their skills. In time they'll be what they need. I don't know if anyone is going to agree but I feel that John Morrison has benefitted from that. Sure he may not be that great on the mic yet, but that guy has AWESOME skills in the ring and you can tell he's embracing his character. WWE should use those territories for much more than a breeding ground.
 
i say even if they dont get rid of D-X when Shawn Micheals returns then they should have Crymetyme join them as the new New Age Outlaws. D-X and Crymetyme are always doing thier funny gimmicks. I just think that would add to the new D-X. As for Shelton he has alwys been a good wrestler, he has all the properties to be one of the greatest wrestlers. Kane is another one that doesnt seem like he doesnt get a push either, I still think they should bring him back as old kane, he was meanier then, he had more attitude. I dont think its the brand thing that is causing the probs, its everything in general, remodel the whole system. that is all for now
 
The cycle has grown too stale. 4 weeks is too short for a feud or develop a character. We have a championship match at a PPV and then the cycle repeats. Something has gone terribly wrong with the creative team and everything is just boring. I think the tri-branded system can work, but the superstars aren't getting the development/pushes that are needed. Superstars like Shelton Benjamin aren't getting pushed, almost no undercard storylines, and the tag team division is stagnant. Something needs to change, although I do enjoy watching my wrestling dvds from 1980-2000.
 
I think of each side there are not enough true main eventers. I mean Raw has Cena and Orton and Triple H, Carlito and Kennedy are not yet established enough to be main eventing the PPV's. SD has Khali, Mysterio and Batista, Kane and Finlay are lingering around the scene and not really likely to get a title run. The Undertaker is now only appearing at the occasional PPV. This current lack of PPV talent can be put down to injury and superstars leaving for however long (HBK, RVD and Edge). I think going back into one set of storylines over the two shows and reunifying the titles will not only benefit the singles competition, the tag team division could also gain its credibility back and it would hopefully entertain the fans. I know that the midcarders will not get the attention they have no but simply bring back the European/Hardcore/TV titles to give them airtime.

I agree with some of the earlier posts regarding the extension of feuds. The feuds nowadays are slight compared to the ones that I grew up with in the attitude era. These seem rushed and the writers seem short on ideas, no suprise with three shows to write every week I imagine.

Also, no offence to Cena fans or anyone else but the WWE needs a title change, Cena has been champ for nearly a year. I know in the eyes of the WWE he is a good champiion because he provokes a reaction be it positive or negative and sells a lot of merch and entertains the kids but for the older fans like me I need to see different feuds with different superstars not just Cena-Orton til the end of the year and the occasional title change thrown in as well.
 
I don't care who agrees or dis-agrees with me but this is my opinion on this whole WWE needs a shake up idea ... they made big mistakes in letting angle , RVD , Sabu , and Christian go ... Angle was one of the best they had , Christian was an outstanding Heel and still is , and RVD & Sabu practically are ECW's heart and soul along with Dreamer and sandman. Far as my opinion goes ... WWE should take ECW use it for new guys who need improvement and take guys like Punk and Morrison and people like that and put them on Raw and SD ... Imagine CM Punk as WWE or World Champion ... honestly how many of you would watch everynight then to see Punk walkin around with the gold ? I for one would love to see Punk on Raw ... new breed on smackdown helping out the tag division , Dreamer on raw as well maybe he and punk could team up or something ... Boogeyman back to SD! ... and then i would be shocked to my very core if WWE was somehow able to sign AJ Styles to a deal where he could maybe go to the cruiserweight division or look for the IC title and then what if they signed the samoan submission machine himself Samoa Joe ... WWE would be stacked ... they would tear apart the competition ... Triple H is back and getting over excellent , Taker is ready to return , Shawn Michaels will be back sometime around Survivor Series , Mysterio is back and flying high once again ... think about it ... Triple H , Jericho , HBK , Taker , AJ Styles , Samoa Joe , Mysterio , Cena , Punk , Orton , imagine the matches you could have ... say ... IC title on the line in a ladder match ... Hardy .vs. Punk .vs. AJ .vs. Jericho .vs. Joe ... Who wouldn't wanna see that ?
 
The WWE needs a massive change!! Pro wrestling was soooo much better in the late nineties and early 2000's.. The main events were much better, and you had more entertaining story lines. I am still a die hard fan, but I have to say the creative teams now suck.. WWE had better find some more top tier superstars, guys like Goldberg, Jericho, Lesnar, Rock, Etc. Now granted, the injuries have lessened the playing field but creatively the only good wars this whole year were Batista/Undertaker and Cena/HBK. Orton/Cena might be intriguing, but they really need to step up their game. HHH is still a true main event superstar, as is HBK, Orton and Undertaker, but with half of them on the shelf, they are lacking the main events that we want to pay fifty bucks a pop for on PPV.. Bring back Y2J, and Vince had better stop his arrogance and start talking to guys like Lesnar, RVD and whoever else he can get to produce a great main event, and better yet a good storyline on the 3 brands!!! I hope it changes, cause I have not missed an episode of any of the 3 brands in years, but I'm starting to lose interest. Lastly, bring back one of the factions, NWO, Evolution, DX, Brothers of Destruction, it always made for a great storyline to have a dominant group run rampad thru one of the brands...Just my thoughts!!!
 
WWE is struggling big time. BUt i watch it in hopes that it may get better. Raw is okay in my opinion but it is a shame that it gets terrible ratings without Vince McMahon. Smackdown is just cursed or else it would of been much better, bucause right now it realy is struggling. ECW. yeah it is good for stars to get to the main evnt, sort of though. Watcching it is really boring. Sometimes ECW does have good matches but thats rare.
 
The WWE needs to ride out their current situation. Remember back to the old days when the WWF was riding high off of Hogan, Savage, Warrior, etc. Then when all of them jumped ship (or just fell off the face of the earth), Vince was left with nobody. I mean, Wrestlemania XI featured LT vs. Bam Bam Bigelow. Doesn't that sort of remind you of Vince vs. Donald Trump? It's an easy way to get butts in the seats and to get PPV sales.

Bringing in old guys will do NOTHING. It will just prolong the WWE's problems if they do that. That's why WCW went under. It kept pushing the same wrestlers over and over and over again, and they never made any new stars during the Bischoff era (with the exception of Goldberg). WWE needs to push the guys they have and make stars out of them.

I would argue that the reason the WWF was so successful from 98-01 was largely because of the strength of its undercard matches. Look at Wrestlemania X-Seven. Every single one of those matches had some kind of top draw in it. It was a deep roster, and the undercard was just as attractive as the main-event draws.

Get rid of the brand extension. Having two sets of totally different storylines everyweek is confusing for the fans.



Please do not compare Wrestlemania 11 to the most recent, which I believe was the most successful....money wise and viewer wise then all previous. there were two main events that you didnt mention and that was batista/taker and hbk/cena.....that type of star power was lacking at wrestlemania 11.....you cant compare the two...WWE is still a lot more popular now then it was back then....

as far as a shake, the hart foundation and the return of Y2J will do wonders to the quality of the matches.....at least IMO.
 
What they need is people who can actually write, creative team is horrible WWE's product is at an all time low. I personally think that the most entertaining time was back in the attitude era when they had Austin basically running the show. They dont have guys that can do that now because they dont build them up like that.Seems like nowadays all you need is a big body and bam you get a title. Why on Earth would you give the title to Khali he has no mic skills no ring ability he's just huge, same with Batista and Lashley. WWE wont take the effort to turn the company around and offer a better product because they know people will still buy this crap so why change it? That's capitalism for ya
 
no i dont really think wwe needs a shake up, i think raw is as good as its ever been, ecw is doing great i think. but SD i could care less about that show, i dont watch it. but i cant stand that batista is in every single whc main event. get him away from the title shake something up with the whc tho!!! lol how many times u gotta lose in whc matches and get rematches lmao.
 
no i dont really think wwe needs a shake up, i think raw is as good as its ever been, ecw is doing great i think. but SD i could care less about that show, i dont watch it. but i cant stand that batista is in every single whc main event. get him away from the title shake something up with the whc tho!!! lol how many times u gotta lose in whc matches and get rematches lmao.


As good as its ever been?! Are you serious? Have you been alive for the past decade? I'm assuming so. If my assumption is correct, then you should be well aware that the current state of "Raw" is stagnant water compared to the state of Raw in 98-99.

Blah! Thinking about this entire situation pisses me off to no end! How can Vince be so blind? He has a watered down product by spreading his talent so thinly across 3 programs. People argue..."well, if there was no brand extension, then people like Rey Mysterio may never have been World Champion." SO WHAT!? That means they probably don't deserve to be world champ. Then you wouldn't have year-long title runs by Cena and random title reigns by The Great Khali, etc.

Vince. Please. Lose the brand extension and set up an awesome stable that will shake things up like none other.
 
Agreed, Vince has too many shows! I personally dislike SD and could careless about ECW. And lately, I am getting tired of the predictable outcomes of RAW as well and that is my fave out of the bunch.
 
As I've mentioned in previous threads, I think the best way to revamp the WWE is to combine Smackdown with ECW and change the titles around.

I really liked your post and I must agree:

- ECW needs to go. Too few wrestlers and it is simply uninteresting, I DVR SD! & RAW, but stopped recording ECW.

- I too have suggested to personal friends that the ECW title should be shifted back to the Hardcore Championship again, under the briefly lived 24/7 defense rule which I really enjoyed.

- Have one unified tag team championship. One WWE champion. One womens champion. One cruiser-weight champion, and again, the One Hardcore 24/7 champion. This makes title holders more prestigious! Having two different tag team champions and two different heavyweight champions has just been a repeated oddity...

- Someone mentioned, in some thread (perhaps this one) that there should be a return of groups. I agree with that too. What happen to 'stables?!'

- Women need to do more than just dance around and play sexy time and squirt each other in some water match. Why not have a hardcore womens match? Have them use some trash cans and chairs for once...

- Stop using women as temporary managers. It is getting ******ed and boring. The only real recent memorable manager was Estrada, he put on a unique show...annnndddd then they dropped him off Umaga for whatever reason. More managers with actual personality!

Just my 2 cents. :)
 
What i was thinking would be drafting the rosters all over again.
Have major mix ups like the IC championship and US championship switch showes.
Hire a-lot of good young talent.
WWE is lacking storylines.In My opinion the hole Vince Bastard Child thing looked horrible from the start.The only thing that kept me watching was knowing Kennedy was going to get bumped to the main event.
What i would lke to see is great promos that make me want to watch the match.And great matches with athletic maneuvers and submission with great endings.
I was young during the attitude era soo i don't remember it much but my brother tell me it was the high point of tv during the 90's.But what i would like to see is a total badass come to the wwe and totally reek havoc sordov like what austin did.
 
dont care if what ive written is repeated

- get rid of ecw, it seemed good as an idea and on paper but when it came out again, it was runied. what makes it worse is that its without the creator, paul heyman and has few of the originals who are older. theyre making a joke out of it and they destroyed it.

- use the superstars, make em better, and put them in good matches along with rivalries. it is terrible to see these new people fight these jobbers who probably only fight once in wwe and theyre done. i hate seeing people like shelton benjamin who job and lose all of a sudden and will soon be released. keep the talent that look good and make each superstar they use good enough for people to recognize and entertain.

- combine the rosters again like it was back in the attitude era. even though its alright to see one show u really like once a week. but if you want smackdown to do sucessful, have wrestlers like cena on sd and batista on raw so they can make each show bigger ratings and u can watch both shows again with ur favorite wrestlers.

- less promos and more matches. this is what made the attitude era sucessful because more matches would make wwe more watchful.

- as cotinued with integrating the raw and sd rosters, get rid of some of the titles. stay with one wwe title, one tag team title, and get rid of the ecw title and us title. too many titles.

- have some big wrestlers contend for titles such as the IC title and some mid-card wrestlers contend for the wwe title. bret hart went from the tag team and ic title to the wwf title, same with shawn michaels, stone cold, and whoever else i missed. if there are big-card wrestlers hurt, bring a mid-card or two up so the big wrestlers can heal better and come back contending with more wrestlers for the wwe title.

- enough with cena and batista fighting for the wwe and heavyweight titles. i know wwe wants the money from the merch that lil boys and girls wear, they can still be huge when they dont contend. have them in storylines with other wrestlers and fight them with no title on the line. get some other and new wrestlers as wwe title contenders. bring some young people up so that they could have a great future in the wwe.

all i can think of as for now.

let me add to my last post

- bring sd back to thursday nights. not many people want to stay home just to watch sd on fridays. it was better off on thurs and i would watch sd on thurs and not now on fridays. just my opinion.
 
ok heres an idea,
1st lets take the tag belts off raw nd smackdown and change them to the ecw world tag titles and shift the top 4/5 teams over there.
improve the womens devision by taking the title off candice and lets put the crewserweight title on jamie noble asap.
lets put carlito, benjamin, cody rhodes and finlay over to ecw and make evry match extreme rules but that doesnt mean ppl hav 2 beat the sh*t out of each othr every match maby once evry 2 weeks to show that its diff not just another show.
push kennedy, mvp, matt hardy,burke, kenny,cor von, jimmy wang yang and othrs way more than thy r just now. ok kennedy nd mvp r now but maby put thm on a ppv fighting 4 the title. also id like to c HBK on smackdown to seperate dx and add more strength to sd!
cant wait till edge comes back he will bring more ratings in for sure. put y2j on smackdown also if he comes back and put divari back with kahli evn tho i wish id nvr evn herd of kahli but it dnt look like hes goin anywhr soon :(
if thy get the change fire him along with viscera hes is jst a nightmare in the ring and has a reputaion of a horrible wrestler and looks disgusting enough to make u want to switch channel, also fire kahli, duggan, snitsky and put santino back to ovw coz i like his heel gimmick it was funny when he called lillian a filthy prostitute lol, and the miz thr all idiots.
 
This is a huge topic, and something that has to be discussed. TNA could easily take over WWE in ratings if they did this right, since WWE has seen an all time low in storylines, in fans, and in top wrestlers.

First. John Cena. I will admit, John Cena was the main man back in his Umaga/HBK rivarlies. I loved that Royal Rumble match-up, and always will. But WWE needs to realize that the public knows they are trying to turn Cena into somethings he's not, another Rock or Hogan. They are trying to match the electricity of The Rock with Cena, and it isn't working. WWE needs to have Orton take that title, so this whole boring title reign ends, even though it should have ended at Lashley. Then, put HHH in title contention. HHH is the biggest star on RAW, and the best choice for a title holder, at least until HBK or someone of that caliber arrives.

Secondly, RAW is under-utlizing some of it's best stars such as Shelton Benjamin and Mr. Kennedy. These are guys with the biggest futures. They are young, and they are loved by the crowd(Even Kennedy, a heel at times, a rare thing to find). They need to bump up Mr. Kennedy to the WWE Title area instead of the Intercontinental area, which is a disgrace. Than, brake up The World's Greatest Tag Team, and put Benjamin against Jeff. But in a huge rivalry.

Next. Smackdown! Simply put? Lose The Great Khali. He is a waste of a main event card. Instead, bump up Kane and make him what he should be, World Champ. Him, Batista, Rey, and Undertaker can put the World Title ahead of the WWE title in terms of popularity until Edge returns. Now, Edge. The main guy for Smackdown. Edge has so much potential on Smackdown, he can be the next Heel. He is a popular heel, that is hated so much, but respected all at the same time. Edge gets the crowd into his matchs, promos and speechs more than ANY superstar in this business. Edge has potential to be the best in the business at the moment. He is the boost that Smackdown! needs.

Next, the dreaded Smackdown Tag Division. Deuce and Domino can't do this tag division justice on their own. They need, major competition. Luckily, The Major Brothers, an underutilized tag team, could easily supply the needed boost after MVP and Matt give up the titles. Also, The Highlanders should be plopped down onto Smackdown!, since they aren't being used on RAW, they could make a good impact, both in promos and in the ring, making some better rivalries.

The Women's Title is a huge problem, and should be a universal title. Instead of just RAW, their should be annual matchs that determine the next brand that is up for contention or something. That way talent like Victoria and Michelle McCool, and even the Extreme Expose can get some spotlight. And, would add a rating boost to each brand.

ECW can either be the needed boost to WWE, or, the thing that brings it all crashing down. At this point ECW is in the middle. ECW has top notch wrestlers, and is a great place for beginners to gain experience and learn the tricks of the trade before coming to Smackdown! or RAW to be mid carders or later. But, ECW is supposed to be EXTREME. Not a normal, run down version of RAW and Smackdown with only 1 hour, and only half the superstars. Balls, Big Daddy V, Tommy Dreamer, Stevie Richards, these guys to bring back extreme to ECW and use the ole tables, ladders, chairs on a daily basis. Regular matchs should be the oddity, not extreme rules, which is ruining ECW. I do admit though, without Benoit or RVD, ECW fell. RVD was putting ECW on the map, and the main guy to put it back their, Benoit..well... yea.. ECW needs CM Punk and Morrisson to continue dominating the brand. But Burke, Cor Von, Boogeyman need to put ECW out there, because they are the minor stars of ECW, and need to shine brighter.

Another thing that needs some shaking, OVW and FCW. The two main training places in WWE. As WWE is doing, they need to expand to Canada, UK, Mexico, and further to broaden there prospects and catch the rising stars before someone else does. WWE made a huge mistake when they didn't affiliate with Booker's wrestling fed. It was a needed boost for WWE, and a way to leave on good terms with a legend like Booker, who could end up coming back if WWE got in a slump. But, didn't happen like that.

Some final notes I think would help WWE in all areas... The three big names Y2J, HBK, RVD. Send HBK back to RAW, but not as DX. RAW doesn't need DX, it needs individuals to captivate crowds. Send Y2J to smackdown asap, to help Smackdown in the area they need it most, the mic. And then send RVD back to ECW, because he can add a huge help. He would be like a mentor of the extreme, their goal with benoit, and he could add depth to the roster, in every area; Extreme rules, and the ECW title contention.
 

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