Do you think Natalya is being mistreated by the WWE?

[PSachkovsky]

After watching the 'fart' role she plays for the first time, I think it's a disgrace she actually plays this. Yeah, she might go along with it, but it's a shame that a talented diva like her is being used for a 'fart' storyline. Some hints toward the 'nugget' thing, right?

I think Vince is enjoying messing with the Hart Family, no matter who it is. Bret, Harry Smith, Natalya, Owen. It seems as if Vince likes to make them look bad. It sucks completely.

Natalya is very talented in-ring wise. And she should be a multiple diva champ by now, but no, she is mistreated completely, just for the enjoyment of Vinnie Mac.

Now she'll be remember as the 'farting girl' of the WWE.

 

[Odisho]

I feel that way too. Its not just a disgrace to natalya, its not just a disgrace to the hart family. Its also a disgrace to all divas/women wrestlers i think.
Natalya went from Divas championship to NXT.

Also i want to mention Tyson Kidd. The guy is great and better than 90% of the entire roster. He should be on my TV, i shouldnt have to search on the internet to watch him.

WWE does do stupid things some times. Really stupid things.

 

[gk11973]

Heck yeah, next to Beth she is by far the best Wrestler they have in the Diva's division, yet I can't remember the last time I even saw her on TV. They had such a good thing going last year when she and Beth were doing the Pinup Strong thing, and then it was just dropped. I had heard the original plan was for them to break up and feud leading to a title match at Mania, which would have rocked. Of course, that did not happen. It's sad that they pushed the farting thing on her, and now we don't even see her. She could easily be the dominant face diva and be quite over if given the chance.

 

[Trance Metaphor]

I don't remember her as the farting girl. I certainly remember that gimmick, but that's not what I recognize her for. What I see is a very solid female wrestler that at one point looked the most intimidating among all the divas. It was great when she won the Divas Championship. When she relegated to a near-jobber status, that's when things turned bad. She would lose within minutes or even seconds to bullshit roll-up's or other pin variations due to "distractions." I still think she might have a chance to turn things around and fight for the Championship again. It's just a shame it isn't right now. Seriously, 90% of the divas have no business wrestling. It should just be Natalya, Beth Phoenix, Kharma, Layla, Naomi and perhaps Tamina Snuka.

 

[EastCoastFan]

Natalya is current version of Molly Holly - a good hand in the ring, but gets no love from management and is used for cannon fodder more than anything else.

 

[xJER1CH0H0L1Cx]

I WILL NOT remember her for the farting and she's the only FEMALE WRESTLER (not diva) to make the Diva's Title look good as it looked like a custom made belt around her waist. The gimmick is a damn shame and it's not fair to the Hart's OR the fans. I seriously don't even know what the thought process was because it seemed as if the farting gimmick came out of left field. One word? Reprehensible.

 

[dman1373]

After watching the 'fart' role she plays for the first time, I think it's a disgrace she actually plays this. Yeah, she might go along with it, but it's a shame that a talented diva like her is being used for a 'fart' storyline. Some hints toward the 'nugget' thing, right?

I think Vince is enjoying messing with the Hart Family, no matter who it is. Bret, Harry Smith, Natalya, Owen. It seems as if Vince likes to make them look bad. It sucks completely.

Natalya is very talented in-ring wise. And she should be a multiple diva champ by now, but no, she is mistreated completely, just for the enjoyment of Vinnie Mac.

Now she'll be remember as the 'farting girl' of the WWE.

You only made this thread because you saw the teddy hart shoot. And the whole bullshit about vince trying to mess the hart family is bullshit. Harry Smith had no personality, tyson kidd is not over, and owens gimmick was created by vince russo,(i mean it was his idea to bring that gimmick back). And i agree that the farting gimmick is bullshit, but theres been 8 million other ******ed shitty gimmicks that others have gotten. Do you remember the boogeyman.

 

[PSachkovsky]

You only made this thread because you saw the teddy hart shoot. And the whole bullshit about vince trying to mess the hart family is bullshit. Harry Smith had no personality, tyson kidd is not over, and owens gimmick was created by vince russo,(i mean it was his idea to bring that gimmick back). And i agree that the farting gimmick is bullshit, but theres been 8 million other ******ed shitty gimmicks that others have gotten. Do you remember the boogeyman.

The Boogeyman was a bad gimmick? I beg the differ. The fans actually LIKED the character. Hell, they liked the spookieness and the weirdness of that character.

And I never ever saw the Teddy Hart shoot. Honestly. I have no idea about that shoot, but I'll be glad to find it somewhere. Nonetheless, is it coincidence that WWE 'Creatives' screw it up with all the possible Hart Family members? Anvil turned into "Who?". Owen Hart had the 'nugget' persona. Bret Hart was getting his image destroyed by Vince McMahon, after he joined WCW. Davey Boy Smith's career was destroyed by the whole D-Generation X feud, after Shawn Michaels buried him in England. Natalya has the 'fart gimmick' and now demoted all the way to NXT. Tyson Kidd ain't over, you know why? Because WWE ain't letting him to get over. If WWE would fit a perfect gimmick for him, trust me, he'll get over. WWE just sees him as another lower-card guy who will be here for show, nothing else...

The only one that screwed himself is Harry Smith.

 

[Skinsley]

Ok the farting role was a little pathetic. But it seems to have been dropped.

The most appauling thing about this is that the only reason this was dropped is because of the other serious problem with the WWE diva's of late.
WWE is mistreating the ENTIRE division, not just Natalya.

 

[JaylisJayP]

Ok the farting role was a little pathetic. But it seems to have been dropped.

The most appauling thing about this is that the only reason this was dropped is because of the other serious problem with the WWE diva's of late.
WWE is mistreating the ENTIRE division, not just Natalya.

What exactly do you mean by mistreating? I mean, I think I know what you mean, but what should they be doing? Letting the divas have 5-8 minute matches and strong feuds? They don't draw. No program is going to make them draw. Trish Stratus is possibly the only diva I can ever think of that drew interest as a WRESTLER, not as a valet or AJ-type role part of another storyline.

I'll also predict this - Beth Phoenix vs. Kharma won't draw. However, if they ever put Beth Phoenix in the WHC picture, that would draw. And in that case, I would hope they'd treat her with respect and not the way they did the Jeff Jarrett/Chyna/IC belt thing years ago. I mean, that was hilarious because it was Chyna, but Beth deserves better than that.

...so I ultimately agree that the divas as people might deserve better than to be marginalized, but it's the way the business is right now.

And why stop at the divas? They're misusing the tag division, cruiserweights, Sheamus, CM Punk, Big Show....(to finish this on a Top Gun quote)...the line is long but distinguished. Yeah, so is my johnson.

 

[H33LTurn]

Its no secret Vince has serious grudge issues. He ran to the ground the careers of everyone who wanted to make a transition from WCW to the WWE with the exception of the cruiserweights and Booker. His issues with the Harts are evident too. DH's run with the WWE was pitiful, Natalya and the whole fart thing, and Tyson Kidd is only there because hes not directly related to the Harts. Imo Vince should just get over it. Its not like the Divas division is getting any better. Natalya's background was the perfect instrument to get her over and maybe feud with someone like Karma along the lines but Vince just had to get one over on ol' Bret. This man is not fit to run his own company anymore.

 

[gk11973]

I'll also predict this - Beth Phoenix vs. Kharma won't draw.

...so I ultimately agree that the divas as people might deserve better than to be marginalized, but it's the way the business is right now.

I think you are way off on this... have you heard the we want Kharma chants at Extreme Rules and No Way Out? The fans are waiting for this feud. Unfortunately the WWE will probably book it all wrong...

 

[JaylisJayP]

I think you are way off on this... have you heard the we want Kharma chants at Extreme Rules and No Way Out? The fans are waiting for this feud. Unfortunately the WWE will probably book it all wrong...

I had not heard those chants, and if those chants translate into people actually paying to get a PPV for that match, or you start seeing Kharma t-shirts on younger female wrestling fans, than I will stand corrected.

 

[whoopin' ass]

for years now i have thought that, pretty much ever since Victoria left wwe. Layla is the champ but not her? wtf?? but it is how Vince operates. why did he spend money to bring Gail Kim back to have her take a backseat to all the other divas? I don't know what the issue is with Nattie other than she was already somewhat established before she came to wwe and that just pisses Vince off. She is a Hart in the end and was ready to perform before she ever made it to wwe. he can't claim they created her. He has made his peace with Bret so there is no family issue that should be preventing them from pushing her like crazy so that is all i can think of.

 

[Bernkastel]

Natayla is an average worker who does next to nothing to stand out in the division. Giving her the farting gimmick made her at least somewhat interesting, not entertaining, nor sexy, but at least it wasn't like watching paint dry.

The gimmick may have been a tad bit disrespectful, but it wasn't like Nattie was going to amount to anything special anyway.

 

[SinCityBlitz]

I think Nattie is being mistreated some. But we will have to see what happens from here on out. Women's wrestling is just not over unless there are some special circumstances(Kharma).

Its no secret Vince has serious grudge issues. He ran to the ground the careers of everyone who wanted to make a transition from WCW to the WWE with the exception of the cruiserweights and Booker. His issues with the Harts are evident too. DH's run with the WWE was pitiful, Natalya and the whole fart thing, and Tyson Kidd is only there because hes not directly related to the Harts. Imo Vince should just get over it. Its not like the Divas division is getting any better. Natalya's background was the perfect instrument to get her over and maybe feud with someone like Karma along the lines but Vince just had to get one over on ol' Bret. This man is not fit to run his own company anymore.

DH didn't get over because he was boring as fuck. Kidd I don't mind watching but he's not over at all. Nattie is the only one with a gripe. I fail to see how any of this is sticking it to ol' Bret.

The WCW thing is a joke considering who has come over from WCW and made it to the top of the WWE. People forget just how many top WWE guys once wrestled for WCW before they became big in the E.

 

[IvoryHHH]

The ONLY reason the women don't "draw" is because WWE rushes their matches & only lets them go for 2 minutes. Let's put Cena or Orton in 3 matches per month & only wrestle for 2 minutes each time & see how "over' they get & how well they draw

 

[Bernkastel]

The ONLY reason the women don't "draw" is because WWE rushes their matches & only lets them go for 2 minutes. Let's put Cena or Orton in 3 matches per month & only wrestle for 2 minutes each time & see how "over' they get & how well they draw

The only women that have ever drawn anything significant were Trish and Lita. Other than those two [and maybe Sable and Sunny] women's wrestling in the WWE has never had another big draw. Ever. Not Moolah, not Alundra Blayze, not Chyna, not Kelly Kelly, not anyone else.

That being said, why would the WWE waste time and energy on something that they know won't make them money, and that no one hardly cares about?

 

[ReyStyle94]

The only women that have ever drawn anything significant were Trish and Lita. Other than those two [and maybe Sable and Sunny] women's wrestling in the WWE has never had another big draw. Ever. Not Moolah, not Alundra Blayze, not Chyna, not Kelly Kelly, not anyone else.

That being said, why would the WWE waste time and energy on something that they know won't make them money, and that no one hardly cares about?

That's because they actually invested in Lita and Trish. Are you honestly going to be that sexist in saying people don't want to pay to see women wrestle? I guarantee if Beth, Natalya and Kharma were given 10 minutes on RAW and SmackDown and 20 minutes on a PPV, the people would give a damn and would pay for more.

 

[Bernkastel]

That's because they actually invested in Lita and Trish. Are you honestly going to be that sexist in saying people don't want to pay to see women wrestle? I guarantee if Beth, Natalya and Kharma were given 10 minutes on RAW and SmackDown and 20 minutes on a PPV, the people would give a damn and would pay for more.

They invested in Trish and Lita because they actually drew; not only inside the division but out of it. The fans actually cared about them enough that it affected ticket sales and ratings if they didn't appear on the card. That's insanity, and a huge accomplishment for a woman to be able to say.

Kharma would be a different story because not only does she know what she's doing in the ring, but she's a novelty being a giant. Beth and Natalya have had years, several title reigns, and several big feuds and neither have been really anything more than average. And certainly not making a difference in whether or not fans give a fuck about the division.

20 minutes of Beth vs Natayla would bore fans to tears. We might as well be watching 20 minutes of Charlie Haas vs Shelton Benjamin.

 

[HBsam31]

While I do think Nattie is better than an average worker, I agree with Echelon that she never did anything to make herself stand out. I think the farting thing was a little far, but by now I don't put anything past Vince and company. I do understand that no divas beside Trish and Lita have drawn, but I still think they deserve better than they are getting now. Thrown together matches with no time to build. If that is all the are going to be given why not just dump the division all together. Just to clearly answer the question I think the farting thing is going a little far and in this case is being a tad mistreated.

 

[H33LTurn]

DH didn't get over because he was boring as fuck. Kidd I don't mind watching but he's not over at all. Nattie is the only one with a gripe. I fail to see how any of this is sticking it to ol' Bret.

DH never got the opportunity to get over. He was in the Hart Dynasty, a team which would've gotten somewhere without a combination of horrible booking and horrible looking titles. After DH was released WWE refused to return the Hart Family memorabilia he had lent for WM Axxess. They sent him a smashed up pic of his dad and a framed pic of Mae Young instead.

The WCW thing is a joke considering who has come over from WCW and made it to the top of the WWE. People forget just how many top WWE guys once wrestled for WCW before they became big in the E.

They tried to bury Booker the night he got there, which convinced Sting not to join the WWE. DDP was given the stalker gimmick, Goldberg went through his crap. The cruiserweights like Eddie, Rey, and Jericho only made it because they were insignificant to WCW. Anyone who had a prominent steak in WCW's success hasnt had a great run in the WWE.

 

[ReyStyle94]

They invested in Trish and Lita because they actually drew; not only inside the division but out of it. The fans actually cared about them enough that it affected ticket sales and ratings if they didn't appear on the card. That's insanity, and a huge accomplishment for a woman to be able to say.

Kharma would be a different story because not only does she know what she's doing in the ring, but she's a novelty being a giant. Beth and Natalya have had years, several title reigns, and several big feuds and neither have been really anything more than average. And certainly not making a difference in whether or not fans give a fuck about the division.

20 minutes of Beth vs Natayla would bore fans to tears. We might as well be watching 20 minutes of Charlie Haas vs Shelton Benjamin.

Trish and Lita wouldn't have drawn anything if they weren't given time on TV. When was the last time you saw Beth, Natalya or any Diva on RAW for longer than 5 minutes? No one will ever draw if they're on TV for the length of a commercial break. Not only that, but if you listen to Gail Kim's shoot, she says Divas aren't allowed to do certain things every week, so it's obvious the WWE is keeping them down for whatever reason.

 

[Bernkastel]

Trish and Lita wouldn't have drawn anything if they weren't given time on TV. When was the last time you saw Beth, Natalya or any Diva on RAW for longer than 5 minutes? No one will ever draw if they're on TV for the length of a commercial break. Not only that, but if you listen to Gail Kim's shoot, she says Divas aren't allowed to do certain things every week, so it's obvious the WWE is keeping them down for whatever reason.

You've missed the point.

Trish and Lita were given more TV time because they were able to entertain with the little time they were initially given. At their peak the two of them had TV time set aside for their promos and PPV matches, and even competed in the main event of RAW. They were rewarded as such by the WWE because they entertained, and the fans wanted to see them. They were consistent.

Beth and Nattie have been given plenty of time to establish some sort of superstardome for themselves but they have never been able to get the fans to invest completely in their matches. Beth hasn't done anything noteworthy in years despite having title runs and feuds, and Nattie has always been dull. Apparently they don't teach charisma in the Dungeon.

 

[The Ghost of Benoit]

20 minutes of Beth vs Natayla would bore fans to tears. We might as well be watching 20 minutes of Charlie Haas vs Shelton Benjamin.

20 minutes for a Divas math is too much but I doubt it would bore fans to tears as much as Big Show-Cena at No Way Out. Also Shelton Benjamin was one of the most exciting in ring performers in the last 10 years and Haas is a solid worker. That wasnt a great example to use.

That being said, why would the WWE waste time and energy on something that they know won't make them money, and that no one hardly cares about?

This is probably the way WWE thinks too. They put almost no effort in the Divas, Tag and IC/US divisions and yet wonder why the ratings and PPV buyrates are dropping every year.