Do You Think Letting EV2 Get Over Was The Right Move?

[Calderownz]

On the one hand, I understand it. Especially with how the entire card unfolded. Hardy was going to turn, Team 3D was going to essentially set their retirement. So, you want to have a few bright spots for the fans to react positively to.

However, I didn't like the finish to that bout. The finish seemed sloppy and out of place and it just ensured that this feud will continue. When in fact, Fortune would should have closed this up last night.

EV2 was a gimmicky thing to begin with, it doesn't have a shelf life. It's run it's course. Maybe that's just me.


Anyway, what do you guys think? Was putting EV2 over a good or bad thing?

 

[marker]

I was disappointed that EV2.0 won. I really enjoyed the whole BFG, except this bit. I was really hoping that EV2 loses and they will be done with TNA. Than Fortune could fight with "them".

 

[Zeven_Zion]

I didn't want EV2 to win, but that's wrestling for you. Good guys versus bad guys. Good guys always win. That's why Abyss lost. That's why Fourtune lost. That's why Doug Williams lost. That's why GenMe Lost. The bad guys lose the final match of a feud 99% of the time. It's just how it goes. Would it have been better if Fourtune won? Fuck yeah. But there's two saving graces.

1. Fourtune and EV2 are tied in my eyes. Fourtune fucked them ALL up in singles matches before, and now they won.

2. This shit is fucking over. Let's hope that EV2 will be gone forever.

 

[Ghettodeath]

I didn't like seeing it, but i believe it could play out well...and Fortune will finally go over EV2, because(and this is pure speculation) while Bischoff controls the company and contracts, there's one contract he doesn't control, Flair. I think Flair will be Dixie's final attempt to get her company back.

I also believe EV2 will be forced by the Bischoff/Hogan regime to try to remove Fortune since they're linked to Flair, and a final match will be loser leaves TNA. And that's how Fortune will defeat EV2.

 

[Reddannihilation]

At the time no, now that we've got major opponents of Fourtune turned heel it could work. Does AJ turn heel? Does he realise he was basically screwed out the title months ago? Does Flair turn face having been anti-Hogan the whole time? If these questions weren't bothering me I'd hate it, but as it stands Fourtune could potentially turn face and in that sense it doesn't matter because it could lead to a double turn with EV2 being brought in by Hogan, if that's the case then hell yeah I wanted Fourtune to lose, now they can be pissed off and feud with THEM!!!

 

[Jack-Hammer]

If last night was the blow off to this tired feud, then I've got no problem with EV2.0 winning. It's not uncommon for the babyface, or babyfaces in this instance, to get the win in the last match of the feud so I've got no problem with the ending really.

However, if last night was really just another unfortunate chapter in this feud then I think having EV2.0 win was little more than a waste.

 

[cnmasaki]

If Fortune get to fight "Them" and be in the main event/main plotline, I say HELL YEAH. If EV2.0 won the feud and the members of Fortune drops off the map, that's one more nail in TNA's coffin.

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

At first glance, I hated how this went down. I haven't been a fan of EV2 from the start, so this was pretty tasteless in my opinion. You have 6 (well, 2 or 3 actually) of the fasting rising stars not only in TNA, but in all of wrestling. Why should these young guys have to take a backseat to a bunch of has-beens (and some never-was-types). This feud did nothing in putting guys like AJ, Kaz, Morgan, Beer Money over, so why even have the feud? It was a cheap attempt at drawing in older fans.

But in all honesty, who cares? Does that mean I've softened my stance on how pointless it was to have someone like Raven running around, looking like my 76 year old grandmother? No. But, in the long run, this can't hurt Fortune. They are all young and talented enough to survive this idiotic decision. People will forget this even happened, trust me. And the sooner the better for the Fortune boys.

 

[Bobby B]

First of all can I question the use of the word "get over" - in what scenario could anyone get over in that match?

It's the end of the worst faction feud I've ever seen, nobody looked strong (which, when you think about it - it's very tough to book BOTH sides to look weak) and secondly, nobody gained anything from it.

As for the prospect of They vs Fortune (atleast Fortune should be faces in this fued) doesn't exite me either. I've not gained anything in the last two months to believe that any member of fortune can beat any of the members of "they".

 

[It's Damn Real!]

Get over? I'm with JPK here — wrong choice of words. "Getting over" is reserved for those who aren't over yet, which in this case (unfortunately) does not apply to EV2 who have their own cult following (and have for decades dating back to ECW).

Was it right for them to pick up the win? Yes and no. I only say yes and no because yes, technically speaking having a face pin a heel at the biggest PPV of the year is something that tends to happen, but in this specific case I don't think it was right — especially the way it happened with Dreamer pinning Styles (of all people) with a clean count.

Why? Because EV2 has no future here, or at the very least they have a very visible (and fast approaching) expiration date that will do this win no justice as they fade into obscurity despite beating what is supposed to be the most dominant faction in TNA.

It's already being reported that Rhyno has worked his last date (for now) in TNA as of last night, which means EV2 has already lost yet another member (Sandman, Little Guido, Tony Mamaluke), which makes this look worse than Nexus.

Call me crazy, but despite the common formula, Fortune really should have been the ones to finally end this and move on to bigger and better things.

 

[Reddannihilation]

First of all can I question the use of the word "get over" - in what scenario could anyone get over in that match?

It's the end of the worst faction feud I've ever seen, nobody looked strong (which, when you think about it - it's very tough to book BOTH sides to look weak) and secondly, nobody gained anything from it.

As for the prospect of They vs Fortune (atleast Fortune should be faces in this fued) doesn't exite me either. I've not gained anything in the last two months to believe that any member of fortune can beat any of the members of "they".

The worst faction feud you've ever see?

I take it you never saw things like La Resistance, The Un-Americans, Thuggin and Buggin enterprises, The Alliance, lWo, The New Blood, The New Breed, Insane Clown Posse, The Mexicools, The FBI (WWE version), Team Lesnar, etc. Far worse storylines have been done ya mean?

 

[MrHashasheen]

No. They didn't need the win. They've been hemoraghing guys since the storyline started and the time spent on it after BFG could easily go to X-Division or Knockouts. Fourtune could have gone face after this to defend TNA against Hogan, Bischoff, Hardy, Jarrett and their future cohorts.

 

[Gelgarin]

If I was booking then Fortune probably would have gone over, but the basic logic is pretty impeccable. TNA knew they were screwing the fans over in the main event, so gave them a couple of big face victories immediately before it so that they could feel enraged but not like they'd wasted their time.

I'd be well up for a fortune face turn incidentally, the entire group consists of heels who still manage to be cool (and Kaz) so it wouldn't be much of a challenge. That being said, I don't have my money on it right now. The two faction war has been done to death this decade, and I wouldn't be totally surprised to see TNA move towards a more Dragon Gate-esqu system where you have multiple factions running around at all times.

To get back on to the original topic, not only do I have no problem with Fortune loosing, I have no issue with AJ taking the pin. It makes the result seem far more decisive than if it was Robert Roode taking the three count, and that's what you want in a big pvv match. In addition, it gives Tommy Dreamer a serious accomplishment in TNA, which is a big this for him given that he's going to be sliding into the role of permanent enhancement talent pretty soon.

Last but not least, I'll make my regular comment about how fucking ridiculous it is that people queue up after every PPV to list matches where "the wrong side won". Seriously, if the right side won every match is pro wrestling then the show would be boring as shit. Why watch the match in the first place if I can simply calculate the result in my head?

Unpredictability in finishes is extremely important and totally beneficial. I've always hypothesised that the people who can't get a handle on this are the ones who want to pretend that they have a greater understanding of the business than they actually do, and complain about the "wrong" side winning as a way to compensate for being pissed off that they guessed wrong.

 

[ScruffDog]

My problem with EV2 goes all the way back to Hardcore Justice. The Wresting universe was told the Hardcore Justice would be ECW's last stand. We were lied to.

So going into BFG, maybe this would be ECW real last stand against Fortune.

So now they win, now what? What are they going to do?

Is Dreamer just going to come out on Impact and say, "Thanks, Peace Out."

Is Flair really going to let EV2 get the last laugh?

I think by EV2 wining, this feud will have to keep going. BFG should have been the end of it, there shouldn’t be anymore with EV2 and Fortune, and the only way I think that that could have happened is if EV2 lost.

Also, I don't understand how a team whose average age in 41, bets a team whose average age in 33.

 

[Calderownz]

I think a few of you are taking the wording of my title a little too strictly. I'm using over as in, getting the win and potentially/hopefully ending the feud with a win. I don't mean, help pushing them OVER the hump.

 

[Joe's Gonna Kill You]

I would have liked Fortune to get win here, but this makes sense logically if this is the last match of the feud it makes alot of sense for the Face team to go out with a win. Hopefully this feud is over and Fortune can now go after Hogan, Bischoff , Abyss, and Hardy.

 

[Joe's Gonna Kill You]

I would have liked Fortune to get win here, but this makes sense logically if this is the last match of the feud it makes alot of sense for the Face team to go out with a win. Hopefully this feud is over and Fortune can now go after Hogan, Bischoff , Abyss, and Hardy.

 

[silassaint]

The biggest stage in TNAs calendar and the future of TNA wrestling cleanly loses to 40+ year olds hardcore guys from 10+ years ago. thats the new TNA for you looking after there future investments.

 

[Super Crazy]

Ev2 doesn't need to get over, getting over is the wrong term to use for this. Ev2 has a cult following, they are over. Fortune needed this win to help show how dominant they say they are. Ev2 is past their shelf life and they need to go, and this should have been the time for them to go.

I would have liked if Fortune had won the match. The match was a crazy clusterfuck too once everyone got in the cage, and I don't think it's right they always have the planned table spot on the roof of the cage. However,that's for another time and place.

This wasn't the right move on TNA's part for sure. This feud needs to end and this was the time to end it. Now the feud is obviously going to continue and take up more time then needed.

 

[Dizzy]

Whoa. So, because Fortune is YOUNG Originals they should have gone over? Let's ignore the fact EV2 has been getting buried in the entire feud. Booking 101 says the FACE goes over at the biggest PPV.

But of course because it's in the favor of the IWC they wouldn't do that regardless how much sense it really makes.

They won in their last match. It's over. Why the hell do they need to lose on their last match? Come on. You all want logical things but when logic isn't 20-30 years old it's a bad thing.

 

[Derrtown]

I dont know. Fourtune members just seem to lose everything nowadays and having the best Wrestler in TNA get pinned by Dreamer is just... whatever. One dude did put it this way. Fourtunes been beating the crap out of EV2 lately and they were dominating till the weapons came down and thats when EV2 got the advantage and it took weapons plus a Dreamer driver from the top rope onto a chair to beat Styles. Makes Styles sound stronger than it looked.

Plus with Rhino leaving... I dont understand why EV2 got the win when they are down another man. I was expecting a Evolution thing. Wrestlemania 20 when they faced Foley and the Rock. Evolution was beating down Foley and winning matches against him so Foley goes and gets the Rock to come back and help him and Evolution STILL ends up winning. I thought the Fourtune vs EV2 would head in that direction. Guess I was wrong.

 

[Mitch Henessey]

No.

Fortune is a stable full of TNA's future guys, and having them win a match like this at TNA's flagship show would've been HUGE. But instead, AJ Styles(who is considered to be the best wrestler in the world by many people) gets pinned by Tommy Dreamer? Nobody in EV2.0 can help build TNA for the future. The guys in Fortune(minus Kaz) can.

Getting a win at Bound For Glory could've helped give this stable a big boost. I like Fortune, but I really hope that this feud is over, because if it continues, Fortune probably won't have a bright future.

 

[shattered dreams]

Like many things that happened last night, I think it is important to see where the alliance lines fall before passing judgment. There are plenty of places the storylines could go that would make this perfectly acceptable. The way the finish was booked put over Kendrick more than anyone in EV2 anyway. Although I think Kendrick oversold the crazy philosophist bit some at the end. The way that match went I think it really meant little who won, so choosing the face side is always a decent choice in such situation, especially considering what was coming next.

 

[MayorMcCheese]

No.
They fucking suck.
They are a bunch of hasbeens and besides Foley none of them are remotely interesting anymore.
ECW is dead, and so should all their crappy wrestlers(wrestling wise anyways) the only thing i hate about TNA is ECW hasbeens

 

[MrHashasheen]

Whoa. So, because Fortune is YOUNG Originals they should have gone over? Let's ignore the fact EV2 has been getting buried in the entire feud. Booking 101 says the FACE goes over at the biggest PPV.

Booking 101 is never that simple. Would you have a lower-carder face go over a main-event group? Would you have Sharkboy pin Kurt Angle for the TNA World Heavyweight Championship? No, no you would not. Why? Because it doesn't work like that. You build on the stars of tommorrow, the people who will make you the money for a long time to come as well as those you can profit off of for the mid-term.