So numbers are up from last year, and we ask if Bryan will be blamed for low numbers? So numbers improved from last year at this time when the rock was making the pre SS appearances. First off, ratings always slip this time of year due to new episodes of programs and MNF, so low ratings compared to the rest of the year is something that should be expected, and would drop regardless of who is in the main event and story lines, so I do not believe that Bryan will be punished or blamed for an increase over last year,
Do Low Ratings Spell Doomsday For Daniel Bryan?
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This does not reflect Daniel Bryan in the least. It's just that every time it looks like a new face is dawning, WWE decides to pull the trigger around the time when serious competition starts (such as MNF or NBA season). It happened to Jeff Hardy and the ratings droppes even though he was outselling Cena, it happened to Ryback last year when he was massively over and ratings still dropped, and while Punk managed to stay in the 3's often, he still saw a small drop. Even during the times when Cena was here, the ratings still drop around this time of year.
Bryan is doing a stellar job at this point. He's putting on clinics, he's keeping himself over on the mic, he's relatable for fans and he's playing a great underdog even though he's ran through pretty main every main eventer this summer. Now granted, I do think Punk is more than likely going to get the face of the company role once Cena bows out, but if Punk is really retiring as early as he says he is, then it's all Bryan at this point.
Bryan is doing a stellar job at this point. He's putting on clinics, he's keeping himself over on the mic, he's relatable for fans and he's playing a great underdog even though he's ran through pretty main every main eventer this summer. Now granted, I do think Punk is more than likely going to get the face of the company role once Cena bows out, but if Punk is really retiring as early as he says he is, then it's all Bryan at this point.
Well I don't think it is all Daniel Bryan's fault.I think its poor writing.I watch a few minutes at a time between other shows compared to being glued to RAW like I used to. I watch for Punk and The Wyatt Family,mostly because I wanna see Kane return but that's about it for me.Not a big fan of HHH/Stephanie Corporation angle.Getting tired of HHH schtick always trying to stay on top.I don't know.RAW just not doing it for me.Maybe has something to do with more channels and more things to watch.
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Daniel Bryan has been an integral part of the main event scene and storyline since after MiTB. If one is going to look at ratings, I think you should look at that larger sample as opposed to this four week subset. That being said I think Jack Hammer's evidence is contradictory to the message/question in the title of this thread. The data shows higher ratings than last year. That's a good thing. Looking at WWE's ratings alone for the past decade shows up and downs but mostly a downward trend. Any stability and increase is a good thing. I don't see how the ratings at the start of this thread mean much for DB. I would think the NoC and Battleground buys may make Bryan's future more clear.
Personally I have no interest in Battleground which worries me. If I have no interest in it, does that mean the buys are going to be very low? Hopefully not.
Personally I have no interest in Battleground which worries me. If I have no interest in it, does that mean the buys are going to be very low? Hopefully not.
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For the last time - the WWE does not care about ratings... several wrestlers and industry insiders have stated this. Ratings are to "keep the sponsors happy". I don't get the IWC's obsession with ratings.
Daniel Bryan is Super Over with the fans. Just look how many fans scream YES YES YES etc when he arrives. You cant blame him for the ratings. The storyline needs to get "refreshed" a bit. Like someone else allready said we see the same freakin beatdowns every week and the its almost the same stupid promos. And this crying Giant BS has to stop and i am glad its gonna stop soon when he officialy joins the corporation. I think they messed it up. They should had used this corporation storyline to build up Bryan. ONLY Bryan!!!! But now they use it for Big Show angles... they use it to build up Cody Rhodes and Goldust to propably make them fight eachother in the end (which btw screwed him out of the WHC situtation while he was HOT with the fans... stupid booking...), they use it to help the Shield. they used it to give Ziggler and The Miz something to do.... I mean... in every freaking story you see either HHH or Stephany involved that is TOO MUCH!!!! We want to see Bryan kick ass and be a strong champion! Give THAT to the fans and cut the crap! Make Cody the new WHC champion by defeating Alberto Del Rio and then screw him with Sandow just to win the title back 2 weeks later and BOOM you have 2 strong face Champions and no ass is gonna remember Cena!!! Oh yeah... and get CM Punk OUT of this idiotical Heyman Feud!!! Noone cares to see him beat Curtis Axel or Ryback!!! Noone cares for Axel or Ryback... they are both midcarders. Punk needs to go for BIGGERS things! Like a feud with Orton or a heel Sheamus or Triple H!!! And something more... Bring Shane back! He is the only McMahon who is legit enough to be the future of this company!! And he has tons more charisma than Stephanie! Maybe a HHH Vs Shane feud for the "keys" of the company?? Man... even I am a better booker/writer than those WWE pays HUGE salary paychecks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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As I have said numerous times, in my opinion, ratings and viewership rarely mean anything about how well a guy draws. There are the diehard fans who will watch no matter what, no matter who is on tv. There are the people who aren't interested in watching, and then there are the betweeners. Those guys who will watch WWE when nothing else is on, but when something else pops up, they will switch to that. Happens with MNF, happens with NBA, happens with everything.
With the increasing ways to watch any show through the internet, by downloading it freely and watching it the next days, you gotta expect for those viewership numbers to drop. People would prefer to watch a non-stage sport live instead of a staged one that can just watch it afterwards for free anyway. So, as long as Raw mainly goes against MNF and NBA, NO MATTER WHO IS ON TV, they won't draw / increase viewership. You might bring back Taker, HBK, Bret Hart and the Rock for 1 night under the same roof and it will won't increase the ratings. At this point, the only way I can see the viewership going up is if a returning Stone Cold is announced, since he hasn't been in a Raw episode for so long now, and the excitement is there. Apart from that, on regular Raws, when you know who is gonna appear and who's not, the excitement is just usual and therefore people will resort to download/DvR it and watch some time later.
With that being said, Bryan being the top face isn't the reason why viewership drops. Ratings didn't explode with Cena, didn't explode with the Rock during this period of the year and certainly won't explode with Bryan. The reason, as explained above and summed up now, is simple: People prefer "real competition", and the ability to watch Raw freely afterwards will just be the case for most people.
With the increasing ways to watch any show through the internet, by downloading it freely and watching it the next days, you gotta expect for those viewership numbers to drop. People would prefer to watch a non-stage sport live instead of a staged one that can just watch it afterwards for free anyway. So, as long as Raw mainly goes against MNF and NBA, NO MATTER WHO IS ON TV, they won't draw / increase viewership. You might bring back Taker, HBK, Bret Hart and the Rock for 1 night under the same roof and it will won't increase the ratings. At this point, the only way I can see the viewership going up is if a returning Stone Cold is announced, since he hasn't been in a Raw episode for so long now, and the excitement is there. Apart from that, on regular Raws, when you know who is gonna appear and who's not, the excitement is just usual and therefore people will resort to download/DvR it and watch some time later.
With that being said, Bryan being the top face isn't the reason why viewership drops. Ratings didn't explode with Cena, didn't explode with the Rock during this period of the year and certainly won't explode with Bryan. The reason, as explained above and summed up now, is simple: People prefer "real competition", and the ability to watch Raw freely afterwards will just be the case for most people.
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1.) It's Football Season. Ratings always go down during this period.
2.) Even if Daniel Bryan gets de-pushed, he's never going back to "midcard" status. They might take him out of the title picture, and he might not be at the forefront anymore, but you're not going to see Bryan chasing the IC or U.S. Titles and feuding with Fandango.
1.) It's Football Season. Ratings always go down during this period.
2.) Even if Daniel Bryan gets de-pushed, he's never going back to "midcard" status. They might take him out of the title picture, and he might not be at the forefront anymore, but you're not going to see Bryan chasing the IC or U.S. Titles and feuding with Fandango.
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As the OP laid out so nicely, it was just as bad during Monday Night Football last year. Football is bigger than wrestling, there's no way around it. There was also a baseball play-in game on Monday night.
People need to stop going crazy over low ratings. And I'm not even sure if it's actually WWE doing it, or just the dirtsheet writers and people in the IWC who buy into their crap.
As the OP laid out so nicely, it was just as bad during Monday Night Football last year. Football is bigger than wrestling, there's no way around it. There was also a baseball play-in game on Monday night.
People need to stop going crazy over low ratings. And I'm not even sure if it's actually WWE doing it, or just the dirtsheet writers and people in the IWC who buy into their crap.
Well The Way They Pushed Him Was Wrong and He Wasn't Ready For This Push, No Real Mic Skills ,They Should Have Gone With Punk Until Bryan Mic Skills Got Up To Par, The Punk Heyman Storyline With Ryback is Really Not For Punk, Punk Should Be Going At With The New Regime, Lets All Be Honest He's The Stonecold Of This Generation Look At The Crowd Reactions He Gets When His Music Hits and John Cena is The Rock All Thats Left is For Cena To Join The Regime and Punk Comes To Rise Hell on The Regime. That's All I'm Saying, Not Taking Anything Away From Bryan He's A Great Performer, But He Needs Better Mic Skills To Come Full Circle.
How exactly does Bryan have "no real mic skills"?
I think he's improved a hell of a lot in that department since his 2012 heel run began. He shouts a lot, but then again so does Cena, and it works.
I agree that he's not CM Punk on the stick, but he's good enough and the fan response obviously indicates that.
Now, as far as Punk getting involved in the main angle, that's something I would like to see at some point. Preferably sooner than later.
I think he's improved a hell of a lot in that department since his 2012 heel run began. He shouts a lot, but then again so does Cena, and it works.
I agree that he's not CM Punk on the stick, but he's good enough and the fan response obviously indicates that.
Now, as far as Punk getting involved in the main angle, that's something I would like to see at some point. Preferably sooner than later.
I could see them blaming the ratings on Daniel Bryan. It couldn't be Orton's fault or HHH's god forbid so I am sure someone will have to take the blame. The only thing that makes me feel better about this is the fact that CM Punk didn't score amazing ratings during his run and he held the title for over a year. Maybe Vince has become more patient about these types of things and they will let Bryan's push play out to see how things go. I definitely think he is capable of riding this out and having a great run as WWE champ when that time comes. He isn't going to change the company overnight, and I definitely think patients is the way to go here.
Wrestling has been declining for years, it hasn't mattered who is wrestling. The problem isn't guys like DB or John Cena or CM Punk or Randy Orton. Those guys may be boring or w/e but at least at their core they are classic wrestling guys.
The problem with wrestling is that right now it feels faker than it ever has before. Yes, of course we all know wrestling is fake, but we want it to feel real.
When Big Show crying all over the place, the whole thing feels fake.
When Los Matadores face off against Santino, wrestling will feel fake.
When Golddust wears his face paint with a suit wrestling feels fake.
When Raw uses camera angles that make it seem like a television show instead of like a sporting event wrestling feels fake.
When they try to make wrestlers into actors wrestling feels fake.
When half of Raw is an advertisement, I mean I don't know if that makes it feel fake but godamn is it annoying.
All that type of crap is shit that not only isn't drawing its proving the haters right. Everything I just mentioned is the type of shit that proves wrestling haters RIGHT.
The problem with wrestling is that right now it feels faker than it ever has before. Yes, of course we all know wrestling is fake, but we want it to feel real.
When Big Show crying all over the place, the whole thing feels fake.
When Los Matadores face off against Santino, wrestling will feel fake.
When Golddust wears his face paint with a suit wrestling feels fake.
When Raw uses camera angles that make it seem like a television show instead of like a sporting event wrestling feels fake.
When they try to make wrestlers into actors wrestling feels fake.
When half of Raw is an advertisement, I mean I don't know if that makes it feel fake but godamn is it annoying.
All that type of crap is shit that not only isn't drawing its proving the haters right. Everything I just mentioned is the type of shit that proves wrestling haters RIGHT.
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Hmmm, Monday night football plus a mlb elimination game. Ever think that environmental factors have something to do with it?
Also ratings are an outdated way of looking at it. Pro wrestling is more like a tv show. If I don't watch baseball live, the game loses its interest because the outcome is a lot more important and I like to root. In wrestling its a story, so it's about he journey. So you can watch it later and it still holds much of the same value. Cable will be dead in 15 years. The business has evolved and so have the metrics of success.
Also ratings are an outdated way of looking at it. Pro wrestling is more like a tv show. If I don't watch baseball live, the game loses its interest because the outcome is a lot more important and I like to root. In wrestling its a story, so it's about he journey. So you can watch it later and it still holds much of the same value. Cable will be dead in 15 years. The business has evolved and so have the metrics of success.
I don't think Bryan deserves the blame for the low ratings, and he's one of the very few reasons why I tune into Raw. It's already been said, but we're in MNF season now, and things will only get worse towards the end of the season, when games have playoff implications tied into them. The NFL will be the ratings juggernaut on Mondays, and there's nothing you can do to stop that. And you have the MLB playoffs going on right now. Plus, the #1 guy, John Cena is on the shelf.
But Raw as a whole has been fucking terrible and a chore to sit through over the past four or five weeks. First of all, I don't know about everyone else, but I am not buying into this "Randy Orton reawakening his dark side" bullshit. From where I sit, Orton is just becoming more boring and stale as the weeks pass by, because WWE is trying so hard to force everyone into buying the evil Randy Orton.
The WWE Championship picture has become a mess. It's bad enough WWE is seemingly inserting one of (or both, depending on how things play out in the future) The Bellas into the feud now, but before that, the fast count finish at Night Of Champions made everyone look bad. Now, the corporate angle is seemingly wandering with no real direction. What happened to the locker room revolt? Why did Triple H feel the need to be a nice guy for a few weeks?
The stuff with Big Show? Unbearable. I really tried to give it a chance and show some patience, but it's reached a point, where I really wish Big Show would make up his fucking mind: side with Bryan 100%, or side with Triple H and Steph 100%. Enough already, and Big Show's horrendous overacting (as usual) is painful to watch.
Miz is awful as usual, and no one really cares about him standing up to Randy Orton for his revenge. To help promote the show, WWE is hell bent on finding a way to work all of the Total Divas into the feud with AJ. And on top of that, we have another filler pay per view coming up with no buzz surrounding it at all.
Honestly, without The Rhodes VS The World stuff and Heyman/Punk, I probably would've taken another one of my hiatuses from WWE again. It's that bad. Shit, Hell In A Cell is coming down here in a few weeks, and I haven't made the slightest effort to buy a ticket (and I probably won't).
So yeah, WWE has a few hurdles in their way now (NFL, MLB, no Cena, etc.), but those hurdles shouldn't be used as an excuse to give WWE a clear pass for shitty storylines.
But Raw as a whole has been fucking terrible and a chore to sit through over the past four or five weeks. First of all, I don't know about everyone else, but I am not buying into this "Randy Orton reawakening his dark side" bullshit. From where I sit, Orton is just becoming more boring and stale as the weeks pass by, because WWE is trying so hard to force everyone into buying the evil Randy Orton.
The WWE Championship picture has become a mess. It's bad enough WWE is seemingly inserting one of (or both, depending on how things play out in the future) The Bellas into the feud now, but before that, the fast count finish at Night Of Champions made everyone look bad. Now, the corporate angle is seemingly wandering with no real direction. What happened to the locker room revolt? Why did Triple H feel the need to be a nice guy for a few weeks?
The stuff with Big Show? Unbearable. I really tried to give it a chance and show some patience, but it's reached a point, where I really wish Big Show would make up his fucking mind: side with Bryan 100%, or side with Triple H and Steph 100%. Enough already, and Big Show's horrendous overacting (as usual) is painful to watch.
Miz is awful as usual, and no one really cares about him standing up to Randy Orton for his revenge. To help promote the show, WWE is hell bent on finding a way to work all of the Total Divas into the feud with AJ. And on top of that, we have another filler pay per view coming up with no buzz surrounding it at all.
Honestly, without The Rhodes VS The World stuff and Heyman/Punk, I probably would've taken another one of my hiatuses from WWE again. It's that bad. Shit, Hell In A Cell is coming down here in a few weeks, and I haven't made the slightest effort to buy a ticket (and I probably won't).
So yeah, WWE has a few hurdles in their way now (NFL, MLB, no Cena, etc.), but those hurdles shouldn't be used as an excuse to give WWE a clear pass for shitty storylines.