David Otunga is here to replace MVP

[Ferbian]

I don't know if you can say Otunga will be the next MVP, certainly you could always have the potential fact that Otunga could end up as MVP, doing nothing, but let's remember something that Otunga has where MVP is completely failing, and that's the look.

And don't tell me MVP has the look compared to Otunga, hell even the promo skills are better on Otunga's behalf as opposed to MVP, and no I'm not saying MVP is a shitty promo cutter, but Otunga has great charisma on the microphone, and it will have a part in his push.

 

[Suneeboy]

And here lies a post where I can ease up the sarcasm a little in my responses. Thanks Tenta.

Yeah, I'm really not seeing the connection here right now, Sunee. I mean, if this was MVP Three years ago, you may be onto something, but it isn't. These two are distinctly different characters; one is a little more stale than the other, but nevertheless, both characters are pretty much one in the same.

The similarities lie in the appearance and the gimmick. Wrestling is a political business, so yes race plays a role here to a certain extent, but the superstar celebrity gimmick which has seen so many reincarnations throughout the history of wrestling, has proven to only be able to remain with one superstar at a time. Multiple wrestlers incorporating their off-air “Hollywood” or “Superstar” personalities into their on air personalities is a rarity. If this is the direction creative is to go with Otunga, MVP will be the one who will have to alter his gimmick, not Otunga. I think we can already see that over the past couple of months, MVP has toned down the jewelry, “lavish” lifestyle, and I haven’t seen the VIP Lounge in ages. The only remnant of his gimmick that still gets any focus is the Ballin’ Elbow.

While Otunga may not at this point be a direct 1:1 replacement of MVP, the character will definitely get the push that the MVP character once “deserved”. The “A” List, will overtake the VIP Lounge if you can see where I’m going a little bit better now. Let’s continue.

Or, now I can take the heat, so you won't have to say outright what you meant; David Otunga is there to be the loud black guy, right? I mean, that's what you meant, isn't it? That both characters are really obnoxious at how they treat their opponent, and are large braggers? I guess perhaps, that could work, but even then, I'm just not seeing the comparison here. If anything, by your logic, Otunga would probably be here to replace The Miz. And quite frankly, we all know that isn't the case.

No he doesn’t have to be a loud black guy, but more so a charismatic cocky celebrity/superstar. Just so happens they are both black. MVP was a celebrity sports star so the gimmick was essentially from the same mold, since sports stars are considered celebrities on many levels as well. The “I’m Better Than You” persona is a character currently missing on the roster. The Miz brings it to the table, but his delivery doesn’t incorporate outside accomplishments. It is for the most part WWE based. MVP had the contract, the parties, the clubs, the associations, the agents. Otunga has the parties, the clubs, the associations, the relationship. Both use(d) these to the advantage of their characters.

Perhaps you could explain yourself some more? How exactly, aside from a couple coincidences, are these two alike, and how is Otunga replacing MVP?

I believe there are coincidences which I’ve mentioned in the previous two paragraphs, but WWE creative appears to be using it to their advantage. Let’s compare MVP’s face time since Wrestlemania versus Otunga’s. Also lets compare on air associations and involvement. Are Otunga and MVP interchangeable? In a strange way I think so, and I also think that MVP would take the largest hit from a David Otunga push. Guys like Carlito, Kozlov, and Kofi would also feel it somewhat, but MVP is the first stepping stone. When someone new comes in, someone at some point in time, is going to have to eventually give up their spot. It’s just the nature of the business.

 

[Phenomenal]

What OP is saying isnt exactly a bad thing, MVP has never meant anything in WWE. If he were to go to TNA then he would rock the house and he would be let loose, but in WWE, Otunga is his next replacement.

 

[King Blitzkonic]

What OP is saying isnt exactly a bad thing, MVP has never meant anything in WWE. If he were to go to TNA then he would rock the house and he would be let loose, but in WWE, Otunga is his next replacement.

Bub, MVP's already been in TNA. Remember Antonio Banks, one of the favored jobbers when TNA was shown in the US on Fox Sports Net? Thought not. MVP's headed down the road that Carlito has been on for at least a year.

 

[Suneeboy]

Otunga has worse hair. But I'm satisfied for now.

Cornrows are last decade man. Its either locks, or a sick ass design in your head. Otunga wins here. MVP doesn’t even keep his shit tight.

Carlito sometimes (and only when he goes into "Voice of the IWC" mode), Chavo and Kozlov hardly ever. Certainly time I wouldn't miss if given to a rookie. MVP has a little more left in him than these guys. Not much, but a little.

So we are in agreement, that they are for the most part worthless.

There you go. And I agree with the second part. I'm sorry, could they have thought of a worse line to repeat than "I'm Comin'!"?

We’re going somewhere now. What a bad song.

A job is a job. He's still able to carry his own in those matches. They aren't match of the year fodder, sure, but if you're gonna job you have to make the other guy look good. Otunga hasn't had enough time to develop, and simply can't do more but get mic heat while he works on his in ring stuff. And that sounds less like MVP's current spot and more like Carlito's or Chavo's.

That’s how you start though. Otunga gets more a crowd reaction than MVP does right now.

By that I meant on a national level, like MVP on "Are you smarter than a 5th grader", not just local newspaper and radio.

But even non-celebrities go on that show, so an appearance there is really not important. They could select anyone, from MVP to Dolph Ziggler to Zack Ryder.

Heel Otunga can't do that right now (unless he wants to look like AJ Styles pushing a video game the night of his big heel turn). And there's NO WAY Otunga can run face right now.

Heel Otunga can go on Are you smarter than a 5th grader. Even you and I can if we pass the screening test. But seriously, Otunga’s competitor on the card is MVP. If Otunga were to come to RAW right NOW….who would have to move over?

We'll cross that bridge when we get to it. My issue isn't that Otunga may be replacing someone in the long run, but that the OP insisted that Otunga was brought in to replace MVP from the get go, which is incorrect.

I don’t know if he was brought in to replace MVP, but he is here to replace him now.

Lol. No, I said "galacticaly", as is space and stars and cosmos. I used a fake word to describe how far from good matches Otunga is right now. But there have been worse guys to get over, so never say never.

I thought I read genetically. That feels weird. But Otunga is being developed. If they didn’t see anything in him, he wouldn’t have gotten this far.

To set up Batista vs Cena, and then to get squashed by Cena in the ring and Batista out of the ring. To be fair, his backstage segment with Batista was great, and I appreciate that he's able to poke fun at his status as a "celebrity". But when they were announcing the first NXT ratings, Bryan used his mic time to out of nowhere blast Otunga for being nothing else but a hanger on. Setting up a future angle with Bryan? Sure, good stuff. But it cut to the core of how serious most people should take him right now, which is not very serious at all. It took all the wind out of the thought that he might win this thing, at least for me.

Daniel Bryan got squashed by the Great Khali on NXT. At least Otunga was on RAW against Cena.

Again, can't say I ever saw him on there for much of anything ever. And I read Gawker, some lefty gossip site that should have mentioned him at some point, right? I just never heard of him before this, and I can't really take for granted that he has some measure of star power. Is he a musician? Why else would I have heard about him besides who he's engaged to and a VH1 reality show?

You wouldn’t have heard of him. Those are his connections to Hollywood.

Wait for it......Vintage Michael Cole.

That bastard…..

Eww, he's bred? EWWW! Regardless, it's still her name before hers on the guest lists. Also, I don't think they've been married yet.

Yeah they’re engaged. But he’s still on the guest list under his name.

"The Real World" is slightly more credible than "I Love New York 2".

The Real World that the Miz was on didn’t pull the ratings that I Love New York 2 pulled, and I’d bet on that. Let’s google it and see who’s correct.

Note: They also own Nick, the bastards.

Damn you Viacom.

Fair enough, fair enough. If only, in another place, in another time, if this thread had been titled "David Otunga is here to replace ham & egger jobbers", instead of targeting only MVP...why, we might have been..........friends.

Sigh…can I make it up to you somehow? Even after that Otunga will still replace MVP in the pecking order.

 

[LightUnique]

WOW ppl turn it into a race issue then say he cant wrestle and hes not famous ok so what whats the big problem hes jus saying stating an example maybe mvp wasnt the best example to use but otunga is a star whether most u like it or not he may not be your favorite because he is being "shoved down our throats" just look at it from a business standpoint not just from i don't like this guy let me shit on him

 

[yur_momma]

The OP so obviously thinks that Otunga is the greatest new member of the wrestling community ever. And who could argue...I mean he has been on VH-1!!!!! If that doesnt prove the OP's claim that Otunga really is "A-List" (as opposed to just a gimmick) then I dont know what will.

Personally, NXT is a horrible show, not just for a wrestling show but a show in any category. It is completely unwatchable, the matches are wholly unimpressive, full of mistakes and contain people who have no business being on tv. The video clips of the wrestlers talking and hyping themselves are so shallow, pointless and so badly done that none of the wrestlers doing them seem like even they believe what they are saying, how am I supposed to???? You cant tell me how bad ass you are with a half smile and showing signs of camera shyness. The videos are so uncomfortable to watch.

I dont want to hear "he will grow into it" or "he will get better". Thats bullshit. Or I am just old. But when I was a teen (were talking 80's) it took years to even get to WWE and by the time someone did, you already knew who they were and they had a history of matches you could recall whether it be from NWA, WCW, AWA, UWF, GWF, etc. Now instead of seeing the "E" as the elite company full of veterans who knew what they were doing we get rookies. Sorry but I dont want to watch some goobers growing pains on WWE. He is supposed to have all that worked out before he gets to WWE. Whether that means hiring more from RoH, TNA, Japan, Mexico, etc or seriously expanding the developmental system....I dont know.

Hiring some 19 year old kid to FCW (or OVW when it was them) and keeping him there for a year or two IS NOT EXPERIENCE. It is a small taste.

Not one of the NXT guys will be in WWE three years from now and Im being very generous, Id honestly guess it will be alot sooner.

Oh and back to Otunga...his matches are sloppy and his mic time has absolutely no intensity or confidence. He just rambles on about being a star but he says it so bland and care free you just know that he knows he is full of shit.

I, like everyone else, somehow missed the connection to MVP or why he would be the one Otunga replaced. I love how the OP thinks MVP's ballin gimmick is stale and boring...yet worships Otunga for his one dimensional "A-List" gimmick. Hilarious stuff, really. Didnt Adam "Pacman" Jones have the same gimmick in TNA? Or the MNM tag team? Or Miz? Or The Rock when he returned heel?

 

[BWEEZY2009]

I really Like Otunga's gimmick

Not going to lie, going to agree with the majority here and say he's very green

He's defiantly in the top four in my mind. He's by far the second best big man on the show after Wade Barrett. Barrett is great but if Otunga can get some ring psych and some more moves he'll be the biggest guy off the show minus Danielson

 

[mister_b1LL]

MVP's career may have went down the drain when he moved to RAW, jobbed to Randy Orton, teamed up with Mark Henry, and switched to sleeveless attire. RAW is the place where mid carders go to die. All he needs to do is get switched back to SmackDown, turn heel again, and all would be well for him.

Otunga is not here to replace MVP. A replacement would mean that he has the exact same gimmick that MVP has, but he doesn't. MVP is a ballin' guy and has the gimmick of a pro athlete. Otunga has the gimmick of a celebrity that hangs out with all the other celebrities. There's no complete replacement. Now if we're talking that MVP goes to Smackdown and Otung occupies his spot on RAW maybe you have something there.

 

[Jakeisgod13]

I feel that absolutely David will be on the mid-card, soon. I actually see him being the one to end up winning the NXT competition, and if he doesn't, than I see him being drafted to Raw. Otunga has the looks that Vince wants all of his superstars to have. As far as me seeing him taking MVP's spot, is slim to none. He would build up enough of his own credit overtime to become a major star in his own right, whether we all agree with it or not.

 

[thepalaceprince]

I dont watch nxt so I havent seen enough of otunga to judge how good he is in the ring but he certainly does have the look and hes very good on the mic and sometimes thats all you need to get a push in this business. And given how much exposure hes gotten on raw and how comfortable he seemed in the guest host role you gotta expect him to end up getting a push after nxt or maybe even as soon as the draft. One last. Note anyone who thinks otungas finisher is terrible has clearly never seen mvp's which is entirely possible since he hasnt won a match on raw using the playmaker in about 6months