So you're comparing him to someone who's been wrestling for a decade longer, a multiple time world champion and a wrestler widely praised for his abilities on the net and you're calling him bad in the ring? Surely you can see the hypocrisy.
No, it's not hypocrisy at all. I'm not comparing him to anyone. You asked me to try and name even 1 guy as big as him that was as good technically and I gave you 3 off the top of my head, each one representing different eras technically. I probably could have went further but that was all that was necessary.
Yes you are. You're calling him untallented when he's quite clearly not. That's like calling a car that can go 150 mph slow just because there are cars that can go 200 mph.
I never called him untalented, I merely raised question to the legitimacy of his claims by making the point that he provides nothing to make himself stand out from anyone else, he doesn't bring anything extraordinary to the table, or anything that the WWE doesn't or can't get out of someone else which directly answers why guys like Sheamus and Drew McIntyre got pushes over him. You referred to that as me calling him untalented which I clearly wasn't and is quite different from what I was doing.
I'd call him better than decent in the ring, but that's neither here nor there when what was holding him back was everything BUT his in ring work. He didn't get pushed because he had the personality of beige paint. Could WWE have done something to cover that up? Yes, they could have gimmicked him up and established it with viginettes. Look at how WWE are making Brodus Clay into a big deal at the moment who is a guy with considerably less tallent than DH Smith. Should he have been given a big push? No. Nobody should be given anything unless they can prove they are worth it. But could he have been given one? Yes and he probably would have done OK with it.
When you consistently agree that he shouldn't have been pushed as you have numerous times here, what argument is there for you to make? If that's the case, it doesn't matter if he was exceptional for a big man because as you've already noted over and over, he lacked in all other areas which makes the case pretty cut and dry. Maybe they Coulda, woulda, or shoulda done this, that, or the other thing with him. But, they didn't. It's obvious why, he was let go, and that's the end of it.
Also, he's not just big he's deceptively strong and agile. This is a guy who can hold someone upside down for a vertical suplex while removing his hand to egg on the crowd and do monkey flips.
That's great, some folks somewhere else will appreciate it, but that's not enough to cut it in the WWE. There shouldn't be anything deceptive about his strength as big as he is. The agility is also not the commodity you make it out to be when you've got guys like The Undertaker who can still dial it up and fly over the ropes well into their 40's, or someone smaller but still much older like Terry Funk still doing moonsaults in his 50's, or Randy Orton hitting one of the nicest drop kicks in the business being almost as big as him, and on and on the list goes. There's just nothing overtly unique about him to set him apart from anyone else and make him a big enough commodity to push or keep on.
Wait, so you're saying that guys who have no selling point other than being able to make themselves and other people look good have no place in this industry? I guess that explains why Heath Slater still has a job after 5 years in WWE and Funaki was there for 12 before getting canned.
Again, this is not even close to anything I said. You tried to make some big point of his "other complaints about some of his stuff not being returned" as if that had any relevance to him getting shit-canned. You were also going on about him going back to FCW and getting better, and then saying that if they would have pushed him in a way that played to his strengths he could have been somebody. I simply noted that the mention of his stuff not being returned had nothing to do with the real issue, that being; everything he lacked that made them decide to release him or not to push him beforehand. This other thing you've come up with above is your own fabrication, I never said anything about that.
Yeah, slight doesn't cover his improvement.
I never said "Slight", I never ever referred to any specific degree of improvement. I said "Maybe he did improve a bit, but..." Again, I don't know where you are coming up with this stuff. Either way, it clearly wasn't enough, or in the right areas.
So you're calling DH Smith shit in the ring, after admitting that the only guys who are comparable to him in the ring are guys routinely praised and universally successful? Smith wasn't carried in the Hart Dynasty, nor was Kidd.
Again, I never called him shit in the ring, this is another assumption you are drawing or just making up. I also never said that the only people comparable to him were ones routinely praised and successful. I noted that there are guys way better than him, that are just as big, but more talented, and they happen to be more successful. At no point did I put him on their level or compare him to them. And, as I recall watching the Hart Dynasty matches, it was Tyson Kidd putting in the real work and putting on the show. D.H. Smith just came in there to play his role in the tag team of being the Jim Neidhart, to Tyson Kidd's Bret Hart role.
Actually you've got your timeline wrong Let me give you the correct one. He debuted, got wellnessed (after pissing positive months before to prove a point), got punted to heat, drafted to Smackdown but asked to go to FCW instead, got called up to form the Hart Dynasty a couple of years later, then they split and he got FE'd. If he hadn't volunteered to go back to FCW, he'd have been FE'd before Tyson even got a contract.
I was only accounting for his time from the point of being in The Hart Dynasty on. At any rate, the story you tell shows that he was lucky to be anywhere but FCW where he really spent the most of his time. This of course comes as no shock to anyone since he lacked in so many areas.
In any case, at no point in his WWE career was he truely given an oppertunity to show how good he is to the general viewing public, which is a valid point given that he is better than a lot of the guys who have been given that time (see also: Alex Riley, Zeke Jackson and Mason Ryan). But by no means should he have been given it. You shouldn't be given oppertunities just because your Dad is Davey Boy Smith.
Correction, that time in The Hart Dynasty WAS his opportunity to show how great he was, and at every pass he showed how mediocre he was. He might be better in the ring than Riley, Jackson, Ryan, and others, but they all have better looks that don't demand that they be as technically sound. They are power/brawlers, where D.H. was supposed to be a prodigy from The Dungeon, but clearly wasn't. No one is bullshitting anyone about Riley, Jackson, or Ryan, trying to say they are any better than they are. And, if he was so good than how come you so easily state over and over how he never should have got the push or been given this opportunity, that you also state just beforehand he could have made something of? It just seems like a big contradiction.
Well I believe he's currently working in Japan, which is a place that would probably suit him better than WWE (you don't need to talk, just wrestle).
Well, let's all wish him the best of luck in his Future Endeavors.
