Curb stomp banned?!

[Ric 'The Nature Boy' Flair]

I have learned seth rollins,the wwe world heavyweight champion, has had his finishing move banned. Now I understand this but it's the ring and bad moves are gonna happen. What are your thoughts and what do you think seth's new finisher should be?

 

[THTRobtaylor]

There are at least 4 reasons they are "banning this" that I can pick out right away and all of them are pretty solid/justified in the context of what's going on outside the WWE and the past.

3 more guys have just launched lawsuits based on concussion, that's 3 or 4 seperate ones all going on at the moment. They all are alleging WWE doesn't "take care" of it's guys when it comes to concussion, which is also a feature of their doctor suing CM Punk...

So they have to be seen to be reducing risks and that means moves that even LOOK like they could cause a concussion will be riskier and reduced. The Curb Stomp is arguably a "safe move" but it has the appearance of one that is not, and how they often use it...like the cinderblocks with Ambrose, could easily be used as ammo in those lawsuits.

The second reason is a little sadder but also very pertinent.

There was a case several years ago, many of you won't even remember the name Lionel Tate but he did as much if not more damage to the WWE/F as Chris Benoit ever did. This was a "big hoss" of a kid who used a Rock Bottom to kill his toddler sister. It went to trial and it was very messy for WWE. Remember all those "Don't Try This..." rather than "Don't Try this at home?" That was why they got more serious.

The curb stomp is a move that kids could already be "using" on the playground etc...on things like cinderblocks or suitcases. When Seth does the move, the opponent knows how to take it, even on an object and it's clear he never actually makes more than a brushing contact. A kid trying that on a cinderblock, pavement or even a sofa cushion and they get it wrong and it's a potentially fatal situation. So WWE is taking a morally sensible position and removing it now while Rollins can still get over. He has other things he hasn't used so far so he'll be fine but if they stop one kid getting a broken neck or crushed skull by banning the move it's worth it... with the recent death in Mexico as well, that no doubt has played a part in the decision, anything where a kick to the head or neck is in play is under threat. Dropkicks won't be as high any more for example.

Sad but necessary until the formalities and any lawsuits down south are completed. Rey could still yet be sued, if it was WWE it happened in, they would be without question.

Again younger members of the forum might not remember the name Chuck Austin. This was a guy who botched taking Marty Jannetty's "Rocker Dropper" finisher and was crippled for life. Even in court he admitted he hadn't got the move right, but WWE still lost and it cos them $26m in damages, that was in the mid 1990's... today that would be tripled and probably directly linked to their worth... so we come full circle to the first reason. WWE doesn't want ANY more of those and the curb stomp typle move is a Rocker Dropper, just with the sole of the boot not the leg.

 

[The Warlord]

Good that move sucked anyway.

Id like to see Rollins pay tribute to Rick Rude and bring back the Rude awakening as his finisher.

But thats just me..

 

[Mudlup50]

No source? Without a source I'm not going to dwell on it yet but if he were to get a new finisher how about the old dirty deeds...no I kid he could resume doing that one kick like a superkick? It's one of his finishers in WWE 2k15.

He could always not have a finisher, imagine a guy who wins all of his matches without a finisher, maybe a cheap roll up one week, a superplex the next, interference the next, could be interesting.

 

[Navi]

No source? Without a source I'm not going to dwell on it yet but if he were to get a new finisher how about the old dirty deeds...no I kid he could resume doing that one kick like a superkick? It's one of his finishers in WWE 2k15.

He could always not have a finisher, imagine a guy who wins all of his matches without a finisher, maybe a cheap roll up one week, a superplex the next, interference the next, could be interesting.

It's on the main page, and all the other dirt sheets are reporting it as well.

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/572739-exclusive-wwe-banning-a-current-champions-finishing-move

I can see things changing with the recent lawsuit that's been launched. You have to wonder if Ambrose will still be allowed to use Dirty Deeds, Miz and his Skull Crushing Finale, and any of the other finishers that are similar.

Other than the Phoenix Splash I can't remember what Rollins other finishers are. Does he have any? I've only ever seen him use those two.

 

[OYDK]

If this is true, I expect Seth Rollins to bring out a move in his arsenal we have yet to see... what that might be I have no clue, but he's going to want people to forget about The Curb Stomp so it should be spectacular. Definitely not the Phoenix Splash... that move is dangerous to everybody involved if used regularly.

 

[FromGlasgow]

I guess any wrestling move if taken wrong has the potential to do damage, Ive never heard of anyone being legitimately injured from the curb stomp so not sure of the level of danger this particular move has on its oponents, No point all wrestlers taking unecesary risks of permanent injury from a move that would be easily changeable if it is that dangerous.

 

[MC_Live]

It seems pretty ridiculous when you think about it. If done right, it should be a simple front face bump. It's up to the performers if they actually want their face to hit the mat, but it can be done safely. If the curb stomp is such a problematic move, why not get rid of the super kick, Roman's Super Man Punch, Big Show's KO punch, the brouge kick, any version of a DDT, or move X, move Y, and move Z that focus on the head. I get WWE wants to prevent concussions. It's what they should be focusing on. But if done properly, and safely, the curb stomp can be used, where Seth can actually step on the shoulder or the upper back, and whoever takes it can actually completely avoid any trauma to their head by doing a regular front bump. Why is the curb stomp any different than any other move?

 

[Pedigree1]

The curb stomp with the recent lawsuits that the WWE is experiencing they cant afford to mess around literally.. The curb stomp may not look like a particuarly dangerous move but it is! Rollins is using the sole of his foot to press down on the back of your neck and drive your head into the mat..

How in the hell is not that move dangerous?? I don't want to see it banned but its gotta be done i suppose... He wont be able to use his awesome phoenix splash that move is more dangerous than the curb stomp..

THTRobTaylor brought up a interesting point a very valid one! IN saying that with the unfortunate circumstance that happened in Mexico Rey could still be sued.. WWE obviously doesn't want anything remotely like that to happen..

I just fear at some point,its going to become unwatchable as they might panic and think all moves are dangerous. We all know Pro wrestling is dangerous.. This is what they do.. There is an inherit risk!

I understand banning Pile Drivers,chair shots to the dome but isn't this getting a tad ridiculous? I understand the WWE has to watch their bottom line,but banning the curb stomp? To my knowledge no one has been hurt by it yes its dangerous but its done safely..

 

[Vanilla Midget]

The move isn't banned until they address it on TV or we see Rollins phase it out. WWE is most likely to have Rollins bust out a new move, and have the announcers sell that. That being said, let's discuss and speculate.

No one has been hurt by the curb stomp, in pro-wrestling. In real life, it's a vicious attack associated with gangland activity with the intention to assault or murder. I've never been a fan of the move, don't get me wrong, I'm far from offended by it. It's high impact, it looks devastating, it just doesn't look like a wrestling move. I'd file it beside Orton's punt in the category of in ring moves that look dangerous, in real life are deadly.

I see the potential for the curb stomp to be dangerous. It's safe if practised correctly. Same with the superkick, as someone pointed out to me in the comments section, a move that retired Bret Hart. We see the superkick on a weekly basis, it's a staple of many wrestlers movesets. I don't think the curbstomp is getting the pile driver or vertebreaker treatment where it's being banned for the danger it poses. It's being banned for the same reason the punt isn't around, it looks too real. It looks to close to something that causes these kind of injuries.

The stomp being put out to pasture won't hurt Rollins, I see no negatives except the fact that they've spent time getting the move over. Who cares? Anybody can stomp on someone's head. The curbstomp isn't a wrestling move, no one will miss it. Nothing in banning this move dictates a slippery slope where other moves will be banned.

What's Rollins' new finisher? The Phoenix Splash does resemble Neville's Red Arrow. He was using that shinuari in developmental. Both moves are risky and high flying. I usually tend to suggest a guy hit a move that he can hit into the later days of his career. Someone else suggested he adopt Rick Rude's neckbreaker. It would be kind of funny and push his program with Orton if he started to hit the RKO for a bit before modifying it into his own neckbreaker.

 

[Y2JBL]

I've always thought it's a stupid move with a cheesy forced set-up like the 619. And the execution of it looks incredibly stupid too with the way the opponent has to rise up a little bit and then basically face plant themselves. It's a waste of a talent like Rollins to not have a more impressive finisher than that. I've hated this finisher for a while now so if he does indeed have to get rid of it, it's good news in my opinion.

 

[kadroan]

I was surprised. I didn't see it coming. I've never known anybody to get hurt from the Curb Stomp.

 

[kumarjtk]

yes its true. They banned crumb stomp. Rollins used new finisher on raw. They also removing that move from his entrance video.

 

[yourdamnluck]

They banned the constant swearing, monster and other trucks in ringside, those awesome promos, dirty deeds and now curb stomp. It may not be the greatest move but it still looked better than AA and GTS. WWE seems to be headed the WCW way to bankruptcy.

 

[Richard Blonoff]

The ban isn't so much that the move is dangerous, though I have no idea how dangerous it is because I'm just a guy on the internet, but more because it looks dangerous. It was done to appease those who would try to single out a move called the curb stomp as too violent when attacking the WWE.

 

[THTRobtaylor]

The Don't try this at home is more important to them. A lawsuit they can probably win if it's from an ex-talent, if someone gets hurt with the botch, today's law might be more favourable than the Austin case... but if a kid does it outside and kills another, that's publicity there is no coming back from.

Remember how controversial the movie American History X was, how it was almost banned for the scene of a curb stomp murder? The name itself probably hasn't helped.

 

[Richard Blonoff]

He calls that flying top rope knee he used to do with The Shield the Drive By. He picks some pretty violent names for his moves. Certainly they are just names, but the anti wrestling crowd can easily point to them as negatives.

 

[Wald]

Not too pushed about it being banned as I don't really like it as a finisher anyway. The only person I've ever seen himself position himself realistically for it is Brock Lesnar, most of the time the opponent just looks like a bit of a dope for waiting in that position knowing that Rollins has this move in his arsenal.

Plus, with the emphasis on concussions in sports and sports entertainment at the moment it is a logical move by the company.

 

[HamSwissman]

So there is a match coming up at Extreme Rules where the RKO is banned, involving Seth Rollins and Randy Orton, and nobody in the WWE could think of a storyline reason to ban the curb stomp?!??! Like, I dunno, a "loser can never use his finisher again match" or something???!! They've essentially "Benoited" the move.

 

[sMark]

I don't know how many money WWE do from children who watch it, but PG orientation certainly make the show itself worse and worse each month.
Maybe proffesional wrestling must be niche T rated product today, because on this age you understand that all of this is theater, but can still like it.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

On the whole, I can't really blame WWE for not wanting to do the move anymore. While it looks cool and everything, I remember thinking that there's a real possibility of someone suffering some sort of head trauma from the very first time I saw it. WWE has been extremely concerned and participatory when it comes to concussion prevention since the Chris Benoit tragedy, in which an autopsy of Benoit's brain showed massive levels of trauma, and concussion prevention has also become a big deal in sports as a whole.

As far as the finisher, in all honesty, I wouldn't mind if he used the Phoenix Splash. I think he could also use the powerbomb into the turnbuckles as a set up for something along the lines of a running blockbuster; just something that looks like it delivers a good amount of impact. The modified DDT just didn't really do much for me last night as there are already so many different variations of the DDT and the DDT itself is used so much as a regular part of the arsenal of a lot of other wrestlers on the roster

 

[joelytb]

I don't see how the curbstomp is any different to hundreds of other moves that could cause head injury. If this is the reason for the move being banned then surely other moves such as the Tombstone, Pedigree, DDT, Running knee, Hulluva kick (Just to name a few) should also be banned. On the flip side if they are more concerned with kids watching the show and trying to imitate what they see, then how is that more dangerous than HHH delivering a sledgehammer shot to the head of Sting to win at Mania. It's a never ending argument. I'm also pretty gutted for Rollins. Quite possibly the biggest moment he may ever have inside a WWE ring at Wrestlemania and they may never be able to show it on television again. The only positive that comes from this is that we may now see more of the Phoenix Splash.

 

[The Warlord]

So there is a match coming up at Extreme Rules where the RKO is banned, involving Seth Rollins and Randy Orton, and nobody in the WWE could think of a storyline reason to ban the curb stomp?!??! Like, I dunno, a "loser can never use his finisher again match" or something???!! They've essentially "Benoited" the move.

Thats what I was thinking. This would at least explain why he wouldnt use the move anymore...unless he'll be allowed to pull off the move once or twice a year at a big event.

Who knows...but with their shitty storylines lately, this would give them something to work with