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Column: If You're Not With Us, You're The Alliance

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Hey guys!

First thread, so please be lenient. Anyway, Merry Christmas to start!

Today, I capitalized on the WrestleZone offer and wrote a little column for the site. It's pretty much my views on the failed Nexus storyline, and how it draws comparisons to The Alliance and its failures.

So, I wanted to get your thoughts. Was The Nexus a failure? Was it worse than The Alliance? How bad (if at all) did the WWE miss out on this one? Is The Nexus gone forever?

Thanks for the read and post guys, discuss!

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/article/reader-column-if-youre-not-with-us-youre-the-alliance-119619
 
The Nexus is a failure to tell the truth. Honestly a bunch of rookies nobody knows wearing a a shirt with a big old N on it trying to do a revamped Invasion angle is not a good idea.
 
The Nexus is a failure to tell the truth. Honestly a bunch of rookies nobody knows wearing a a shirt with a big old N on it trying to do a revamped Invasion angle is not a good idea.

Revamped Invasion. Exactly. The idea of attempting (in a smaller scale way) of replica of what SHOULD HAVE BEEN one of the biggest and best storylines of all-time just was not a good idea.

The Nexus had A LOT of potential to start, but the ball was just dropped, and fast.
 
And the thing is with Nexus they needed star power. They got that when the had Cena in the group but Cena was more likely the tortured minion than an actual member. I just feel throwing a group of rookies together doesn't work.
 
The Nexus is a failure to tell the truth. Honestly a bunch of rookies nobody knows wearing a a shirt with a big old N on it trying to do a revamped Invasion angle is not a good idea.


Well come on, it was a lot more than that. Sure not a ton of people watched NXT, but they did a good job of making them look strong. Maybe even a little too strong at times.

Either way, if Nexus is done with, then yes, I'd call it a disappointment. A rather lackluster ending to something that started off very entertaining. But I don't think we've seen the end of Nexus. We might see some revamping, but I think Nexus will make a comeback early in 2011. Maybe on Smackdown, maybe a new leader (less likely) but this angle was too good to end like this.
 
Nexus was not a disappointment. Nexus was created to solely get Wade Barrett over and he did just that. He was in the main event of three or four PPV's, made the top face's life a living heel, got the top face to join his group and put him in a position to be "fired" from the company. Wade Barrett wanted to get over and he got over with Nexus plain and simple.
 
You know I'll be honest with you; I NEVER got why so many posters out here are Nexus marks. I'd figure it had to be because they're either fresh faces in the WWE, they still watch WWE, or because they're marks for stables. This Nexus group NEVER appealed to me and they're just like any other stable in wrestling history: They dominate, have their own little storyline, and then they fade into obscurity by splitting up. Have you seen that before?...

And besides, those guys in that group are nothing without Wade Barrett and that's the truth. They'll most likely end up getting released (See: Luke Gallows) because they have no coat tails to ride on. Whatever....they're just another group that marks will be like "Ahhh, they gotta bring back the Nexus! They were awesome back then!!" in a few years from now just like they have with Evolution and DX. They're just a generic group that disappears like the rest....who cares?! :shrug:
 
Well come on, it was a lot more than that. Sure not a ton of people watched NXT, but they did a good job of making them look strong. Maybe even a little too strong at times.

Either way, if Nexus is done with, then yes, I'd call it a disappointment. A rather lackluster ending to something that started off very entertaining. But I don't think we've seen the end of Nexus. We might see some revamping, but I think Nexus will make a comeback early in 2011. Maybe on Smackdown, maybe a new leader (less likely) but this angle was too good to end like this.

It's a disappointment, and that's a good way of putting it. Lackluster also describes it. There SHOULD have been more. It started exciting, and met an awkward end.
 
Honestly in Nexus here's who I think will survive.
Wade Barrett-Good mic good ring work. Could fill in William Regal's shoes
Justin Gabriel-Good high-flyer that I can see in the US title picture in the future but needs mic skills.
Heath Slater-He has the charisma but a little sloppy and lost in the mic and ring
Skip Sheffield-Oh no. The cowboy gimmick may be good for the kids a little while but I can see him being a jobber than fading into the background
Michael McGillicutty-Charismatic, and smooth. Needs a decent gimmick but I see him becoming a good heel. Besides hes the SON of Mr Perfect. WWE wont be so quick to fire him.
Husky Harris-Charismatic, speedy big man. WWE likes big men and he could end up having a monster gimmick
David Otunga- Okay on the mic and needs better ring work but because hes muscular, has connection to the media and celeberity world he'll go far.
 
Even if we never hear from anybody but Barret again, they are a succes.

The group gave fans something fresh in WWE that captivated their audience (except apparently you) . We got a classic moment with the initial debut and it took Cena out of the main event for six months. And, as LJL said, it got Wade Barret over. They had a great run as a group of guys who had almost never been heard of. The fact that anyone gave a shit to begin with over NXT rookies gone rogue is a succes on behalf of WWE. Sure it could have been better, but that doesn't make them a bust .

Not only that, but it hasn't even been announced that the group has been disbanded. I'd wait abit before making a call.
 
Nexus is only a failure to the Cena haters because they were anticipating Cena getting his ass kicked forever by Nexus members. Anything Cena does is stupid and anything a heel does is good to these people. Face it Nexus is a success in getting Barrett over as a decent enough heel considering he is very green. Also, the angle succeeded in making Cena a bigger face than he was before. The boos Cena was getting has gone down considerably in recent months due to Nexus.

They wanted a new Nwo but in reality Nexus is the spirit squad with a mean streak. Do you people really think that a bunch of rookies will go over all the established stars in a year?
 
Fair enough Arkham, I respect it. And I understand that they WERE interesting, but I feel like Vince didn't follow through.

Everybody can agree they lost most of their momentum, but for anybody to just label it a complete failure should get a clue. It is way too early to tell.

They have been part of one of WWE's best storylines of the year. Take that for what you will.

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They wanted a new Nwo but in reality Nexus is the spirit squad with a mean streak. Do you people really think that a bunch of rookies will go over all the established stars in a year?

That's a very good point. How much can you expect out of guys that early in their WWE tenur? They impressed people and entertained us. Don't look at what could/should have been, look at what was.
 
Nexus is only a failure to the Cena haters because they were anticipating Cena getting his ass kicked forever by Nexus members. Anything Cena does is stupid and anything a heel does is good to these people. Face it Nexus is a success in getting Barrett over as a decent enough heel considering he is very green. Also, the angle succeeded in making Cena a bigger face than he was before. The boos Cena was getting has gone down considerably in recent months due to Nexus.

They wanted a new Nwo but in reality Nexus is the spirit squad with a mean streak. Do you people really think that a bunch of rookies will go over all the established stars in a year?

I'm not a Cena hater by any means, so I believe that makes your argument slightly invalid. Do I like him? Not exactly, but I think he's essential to the product as a face. If The Nexus is just the Spirit Squad, then that doesn't make sense that they were able to take out almost the entire company.
 
I'm not a Cena hater by any means, so I believe that makes your argument slightly invalid. Do I like him? Not exactly, but I think he's essential to the product as a face. If The Nexus is just the Spirit Squad, then that doesn't make sense that they were able to take out almost the entire company.

If you are not a hater, then I believe you are at least one of those fans that enjoy seeing Cena lose or getting beat down. From most of the posts I see in forums or blogs the people hating how Nexus turned out usually complain about Cena.

The Spirit squad were facing two united superstars in HHH and HBK. Nexus was facing a flimsy alliance of Raw wrestlers with their own agenda and hardly working as a team.
 
Do I enjoy seeing Cena lose? No more than I enjoyed seeing Angle lose or The Rock lose, etc.

I want to make this clear:

I didn't hate Nexus. By any means. I thought it was a great idea from the start. But the booking did not follow through, and it left so many unanswered questions. THAT'S what the point of the editorial was. Not to bash The Nexus.
 
Nexus is definitely in my eyes a failure. The whole point of the group when they first started was they were tired of WWE management treating them like garbage. Then it went from that, to feuding with Cena. Throughout the whole feud, Cena was made BY HIMSELF to look more dominant then Nexus as a whole. If their goal was to help all these guys get a future within this company, it definitely failed. Darren Young is nothing, Michael Tarver is done, and the rest have no personality. Yes it made Wade Barrett, but Wade by himself could've gotten over in many other ways. This angle had a an amazing start, but a VERY poorly done middle and end. Nexus = Flop.
 
Fair enough. The booking of the Nexus has been awful in the past few weeks. But maybe it is because they felt the Nexus members were not ready to carry the show on their own yet as a dominating force and needed the star power of Cena to feed off on. Would anyone really watch the show to see Nexus get beat if it is not done by Cena?
 
The Nexus was not a complete failure cuz it made Wade Barrett and Daniel Bryan into stars but at the same time it was a failure since Cena stayed face.
 
Into stars? Daniel Bryan is not a star. He was known long before he came into WWE and still hes gotten some popularity but not a "star" yet. nor is Barrett.
 
A) Ultimately, I'd have to look at the ratings numbers, I'd suppose. I don't think ratings really dropped from where they were at before the Nexus angle with Cena started. At the same time, I don't think they went up either. Someone would have to come and verify this piece of the puzzle for me. If they stayed in a steady line, I'd call it a push. In corporate though, if they were expecting the needle to substantially move on upwards off this program, it was probably a fail. Someone also would have to look at the Pay-Per-View numbers as well, comparing 2009 to 2010, comparing May to June, to July, To August, all the way on up til TLC here in December. If buyrates managed to trek upwards through the duration of the angle, then there is no way you can say this was unsuccessful (Especially for these last three PPV's). If buyrates plummeted, then there is no way that you could really say it was successful. Somebody in the know would have to do the fact checking here for me and determine if it was successful here or not.

B) In putting every rookie front and center on RAW from NXT Season 1, in arguably the top storyline for the RAW Brand, at the end of the day, didn't push the ratings for NXT Season 2 any further. Season 3, it was taken off the air, and now is an internet show. In using the Season 1 Rookies in a prominent role on the major brand, it didn't grow the NXT show at all. If that is taken into account, in this area, the Nexus could be called a failure, since the first seven rookies and their roles on the RAW Brand didn't seem to make people really feel that future NXT seasons and shows were "Must See TV" based off the exploits of Barrett and Co. If they were banking on this angle to also push viewership of WWE NXT, then I'd have to say, somewhat conclusively, in this aspect they failed.

C) There was talk on the internet about Nexus merchandise being not quite the hot seller. That can be looked at in a couple ways. The live audience seemingly gave the group a steady dose of heel heat throughout the angle. They were feuding with the face of the WWE, John Cena (beloved by many and hated by some), and with the type of heel characters they were booked as, I personally wouldnt of expected them to have their merchandise sell all that much. This bullet point is more subjective to the opinions of whoever judges it, I guess. I guess if McMahon really wanted every man, woman, and child dressed in a Nexus shirt, I guess it could be branded a failure. I don't work for the WWE, therefore that crap doesn't matter to me. As a wrestling fan watching on TV, to hear all the boos, and not see that many "N" shirts, I think Barrett did his job fairly well.

D) As for the angle itsself, as just a standard wrestling fan watching on television, for most of the story, I enjoyed it. Nine (Excluding Daniel Bryan and obviously John Cena, I think that was the total number of wrestlers that could claim membership, at one point or another in the group) rookies who haven't proven a thing just made Cena's life miserable. From the start of the story in June, all the way up until the second RAW after the Survivor Series, sitting back and just looking at the big picture view of it, I felt I was entertained. The every day wrestling fan consistently booed them, meaning the people consistently cared. If I was to bust out the magnifying glass, there are spots I could go through and find alterations to where, in my opinion, it could have been better than it was, but I doubt Vince McMahon would've let this go on for 6 months had it been a total fail. This isn't like the Invasion of 2001, where with the nature of buying WCW and ECW, that storyline kind of had to go on for as long as it did, Nexus could've been easily done away with after 3 months if it was a total bomb. That said though, from the 2nd RAW after Survivor Series, all the way up until the completion of TLC, I'd have to agree it all fell flat. The end of it all just came acrossed so rushed, and in a way where I'm not saying "I wonder what Nexus is going to do next", but instead I'm saying "What the hell can Nexus even really do next". They wrote it in a way where I'm thinking about how dynamite this upcoming Cena vs. Punk feud could potentially be, and I'm finding myself barely thinking about what happens with Nexus on RAW this Monday. Instead of a smooth flow into the next chapter of the Nexus saga, it feels like they've gotta start on a whole new book. As a viewer, I'd have to say in terms of television, I'll look back on the Nexus storyline in 2010 positively, although when it comes to The Nexus, the ending really sucked, and it did leave a rather sour taste in my mouth.

E) Finally, putting on my IWC hat, the angle gave Wade Barrett some real solid traction within the company. He seems like the type of worker that can maintain the reactions he is getting from the crowd, and can do nothing but continue to improve upon his craft. As for the rest of the group though, once they are all their own single entity, and "They're Not One", I don't really see how any of this really helped any of them. If we see Barrett vs. Otunga, Otunga might get a favorable reaction based off the disdain the crowd has for Barrett. Once that program ends, I would guess the reactions towards Otunga would dry up as well. I don't really see David really making it far unless he really dramatically improves over the next year. Harris and McGuillicutty may serve as a future tag team, and I could see them doing good things for the division if they add more teams and make a division. I could see them being a top heel team. I don't know how good they are in the ring, I could probably count on one hand the number of times i've seen them wrestle on RAW (Due to my schedule, the only day I have free to watch wrestling on a consistent weekly basis anymore is RAW, so I only caught/catch Smackdown, NXT, and Superstars every great once in a while). Those two seem to be solid middle of the card keepers. Skip Sheffield, when he returns, if booked right, they could get a solid years use out of him in a couple programs before he eventually fades and gets his release. Justin Gabriel I'm on the fence with, based on what I've seen with his character, and in the ring, his career can still go in any possible direction. In present day he's definitely a keeper, although I'd keep him with Heath Slater for now, ride them out as a team for a little while longer, then release Slater. I liked Tarver's look and mean streak, didn't get to see much of his wrestling but I get the feeling I've seen all that I've needed to with him. Let him work his flaws in developmental. Throw Heath Slater and Darren Young into the scrap heap as soon as they can and it wouldn't bother me any. In conclusion though, if you're looking at this from the point of view that every other member of Nexus were just tools to get Wade Barrett over, then it's a success. Wade's got a real good future awaiting him, as it stands now, in my opinion. But on the flip side of the coin, this angle got one person out of 9 over, with a platform set in place to proceed forward. Everyone else, once they disband, will have to practically backtrack and start over a little bit. I can't judge success or failure here, since they all still have futures to play out, whether it's only one more day, or eleven more years on the active roster. This area seems to be something that could only be judged in hindsight.

Sorry if I made this a bit too long, I guess I had to throw out the many different ways in which I tried to view the Nexus story.
 
They were fun to watch at first, but then it got pretty boring. I'm just hoping that Justin Gabriel can have a solo-carrer and get a push at the US title or even Intercontinental title, would love to see him in a feud with Bryan/Ziggler.
 

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