CM Douchebag

[anthonymclaughlin]

To your CM "Douchbag"

My personal opinion is that you are a John Cena worshiper and you are upset because CM Punk doesn't act like John the cubscout.

He is definitely in character. He isn't shitting on wwe. Did you watch his "shoot promo" He totally fucking said vince mcmahon and dead in the same sentence. all that shit he did, then took the title away from cena. just pay attention man. most of us are tired of seeing the same old shit with cena. punk may not be shawn michaels in the ring, but he is BY FAR the best in the biz on the mic. bar none. and no rock doesn't count cause he has cut like 8 promos since 04. who does wwe have right now that has better in-ring talents than punk? jericho. that's it. no one else is on his level. and i do not consider daniel bryan, he is okay in my opinion. i have just never bought into him. he's like 5 foot 2 and doesn't eat meat.

he is staying in character and staying true to "today's" kayfabe. He should be credited for it. He cuts interviews like that just like he talked over the summer. hits some of the same points and stuff. he makes for an interesting champion imo. he is better than miz, ziggler, truth, kingston. he's a few levels under y2j, because face it, he's chris fucking jericho. and cm punk is a better TALENT AND IN-RING PERFORMER than john cena. John Cena is big and musculary, and he is all about the kiddie gig. it's 2012 not 1988. He is not hulk hogan people. nothing close. never will be. he was just a hard working guy who has outlasted his spot in #1. sure he sells shitloads of merch and stuff. so fucking what. i dont tune in on mondays and buy ppv's to see who all is wearing fucking cena shirts.

cm punk is taking over. cena is now going to be the big draw/"vet" guy. it's time for new guys to be champ. like punk. cena is a fucking 11 time wwe champion or some shit. like a 12 or 13 time champ. why the fuck would he need another title. shit the miz was 18 times more interesting than cena. cena is same old shit. blah blah blah i will never change and never give up. i believe he is the only guy in the company that would get a WE ALL HATE YOU chant. that's heat. yeah the queer boys and little kiddies and girls cheer. but the WRESTLING fans boo his ass. not because it is cool. because we have to in order to try to salvage a product in which we love.

for most, punk is our saviour so to speak. he saved us from cena since the summer and it's been pretty nice. wwe in a whole is lackluster lately. shitty storylines, sloppy shit all around. maybe cena should take some time off after mania. maybe a year or so. maybe just retire. that'd be nice. i don't care if he goes away happy or mad. i just want him to go away[/QUOTE]

way to answer a legitimate question with a ten reason's why i hate cena rant, you forgot to mention how much you love jericho.

All he's saying is that punk should play the game a little, i also get annoyed at Pre-Madonna punk sometimes, not to say i don't enjoy some of his zing's at vince. He just comes across as a spoiled brat in most of the shoot interviews, his whole "oh i'm the best wrestler in the world, i'm the best on the mic, everyone should look at me" since when was the WWE about who was the best wrestler? and omg punk we get it you don't look like HHH and cena. He's got a real thing about not being as big and muscular as some of the guys and it's not just because vince has a hard on for them it's because he's really insecure about it, kinda ends up making him look like the short guy that starts on the tall guy. when it comes to making fight's believable size matters, not just for shallow reasons, anyone who's been in the ring with guys who are forty pounds heavier than them will prob have a few stories about how they tapped him out, but they will also tell you how much of a disadvantage it puts them at. Basically trips and cena could sit on punk and squash him.

 

[Hulk Hogan's Brother]

I don't think that Punk says anything too harsh about the product on these radio shows that he goes to. If anything, the stuff he has said in his promos in the WWE have been way harsher. That is because he has been in character in those promos whereas he is being himself in these radio shows.

I mean what is so harsh about saying that he was frustrated by being put in a TV feud with Cena in a lead-up to Mania 27 when he thought he should have been in the main event feud based on the amount of talent he had. In that same breath, he talked about being better than the guy who actually got to feud with Cena, The Miz and that fact seems to have manifested itself now.

There has actually been nothing said by him that could be termed harsh, maybe mild criticism at best, like when he talked about Vince being slightly out of touch. That is something even Vince has admitted at times. He has also criticised himself at times for being demotivated and also praised performers like John Cena. Punk has always been known for speaking his mind and not holding anything back. It's just that he has become a top guy now and so he is getting more opportunities to express his thoughts as more people want to listen to him now.

 

[Zeven_Zion]

God damnit. Look what guys did.



I don't, for a second, buy that Vince has suddenly lost his business sense and actually gave Punk any creative control. He maybe gave him some leeway with his promos, but I doubt he was given much more than that.



Or maybe he doesn't mid because it's part of his character? Maybe he wants him to do this shit. Nobody who listens to these little podunk Internet Radio spots Punk does is going to buy the shit anyway.



Not going to argue with you on this, Vince loves his money. It's part of the reason why he has a stranglehold on the Wrestling business.



I highly doubt Punk thinks he's in a position like Cena, he's certainly more in Orton's boat. He'll sell an ass-ton of merch but he's not selling tickets or PPVs. If he believes that he is on Cena's level, he truly is delusional.

As for Orton, yeah he shit on several people and no, he wasn't in character. He strikes me as what you're trying to label Punk as; a douchebag who has no fear of retribution because he knows he's untouchable.



If he was doing it before, this is the first I'm hearing of it. Maybe because I don't listen to every lame ass wrestling podcast online.



Matter of opinion. You ever consider that maybe, just maybe, he always appears to behave in the same manner because he's always in character?



Did any of those people build their entire gimmick around hating the current state of the WWE and wanting to make it fun again? Did any of those guys use inside references and essentially break kayfabe regularly? Quit acting like everything is so black and white. What those guys did to separate themselves from the herd is unacceptable these days. Punk can't use excessive profanity and such. Instead, they have to find a different way to create a rebel type personality and this is pretty much the only way to do it and make it believable.



Look, you make some valid points and if it appears that I'm just shitting all over everything you're saying, I apologize. It may very well be that I just don't want to believe that one of my favorite performers is a conceited little douchebag. I could totally see that being true. He's condescending, he's a dick despite being a face, and most of all, he's really good at it. Either he's a really good actor or he's just being himself.

However, all I'm saying is that you have no more insight than any of the rest of us. There's just as much a possibility that he's just really good at playing his character as there is that he's a douchebag.

I didn't take it that way at all. I would, if you sounded like a brainless moron, but you didn't. Valid points presented by you, even though I find it extremely difficult to believe that Punk is in character all the time. Even Hogan is not in character all the time and he probably *********es to his own cardboard cut outs.

I'm just connecting the dots. No one dedicates their entire life to being a character, ever. And he doesn't have creative control, Vince would rather kick the bucket than give him that much freedom, but I do suspect he negotiated some perks in his contract such as Championship reigns and whatnot. I might be wrong, just a playful thought. Good to see someone actually think before they post, though. Unlike this guy ...

My personal opinion is that you are a John Cena worshiper and you are upset because CM Punk doesn't act like John the cubscout.

... yeah, if there ever was an embodiment of a Cena mark, that'd be me. I love PG stuff and John Cena who can wrestle his ass off.

P.S: Fuck TNA.

 

[mb47]

Punk's a very very clever individual.

Yes his character is just himself but he'll exaggerate and pin-point certain attributes about himself depending on what is required. Such as claiming he's straight edge so he's better than you when playing a heel role.

Look at his current role, he's almost being pushed as a modern day SCSA. Now what's the important word in that sentence? Modern.

Yes Punk is a modern day equivelent of SCSA and that's the point. What's a huge thing now, what are most people on, where does a majority of the population go for information? The internet. Punk plays off that fact. He's not saying or doing what he wants for the IWC, he plays the IWC.

Punk obviously believes a majority of what he's saying about WWE in a negative fashion but some of it is almost bound to be a work. You see people like Punk who just play an exaggerated version of themselves are very good at ACTING. Punk could easily throw in some extra bits here and there that he's just saying as a work.

Furthermore let me remind you of the old saying that any publicity is good publicity. Punk running his mouth about WWE constantly gets their name out WITHOUT looking like they're trying to plug the product. So no-one higher up is going to care because they're still being mentioned constantly.

Finally just look at the amount of money he brings in. It may not mean anything to Punk but Vince loves that money and Punk shifts too much merch for them to risk losing Punk, so he will be given a little more room to breathe.

At the end of the day my two cents is it's Punk just being Punk. He's a fan as well as a performer and the problem is from a fan point of view he's not happy with the product, just the same as most of us, and he voices that but he will voice what he likes. People like Punk who don't just shut up and conform get hated on by people for "whining" or "moaning" or "complaining" too much. Just because he has the balls to voice his opinion he must be a douchebag? Congratulations you're an idiot for even suggesting it.

 

[WolfNyte]

Did Stone Cold do that? Was he drinking beer at public interviews and cursing? Because that's who he really was.

Actually he did and still does if you watch the Outdoor network or watched him in interviews from the past he did.

What you are seeing with Punk is Kafabe and his character since he started even in Mid south back in 2000 to 2005. You tube some of his old old matches and he is as he is now nothing has changed.

Back in the day when a wrestler would go on a talk show they would remain in kafabe the pefect example of this is Lawler and Kaufman. Its called working the audience. I remember many years ago Sting on Regis and Kathylee getting into it IN KAFABE on the show it was gold.

In todays wrestling many dont have the tallent to do it Punk does Vince trusts him and HHH pushes him to go for the brass ring.

 

[MrMojoRisin]

Indeed on that, he seems to have a belief of superiority over others because of this. To him, he is 'completely true' and whatnot, and is a 'far better person' because he is drug and alcohol free.

He does seem to be a complete douchebag. I think the reason he acts like an asshole is because he is and he can. He has the freedom and room to be a prick outside WWE because he's a prick inside WWE (kayfabe). Why not further his 'character' by continuing it outside the company (although he means it)?

It's like the time he called a fan a homo and said they had a vagina - that wasn't a 'character', and Punk got heavily fined for that.

That's how I see him too... and if anyone follows him on Twitter, you can see that the guy is just a jerk. Sometimes he might be a funny jerk, but that doesn't change him being a jerk at all.

Maybe it's all him being in character 24/7 and in reality he's a nice, humble, compasionate guy... but I doubt it. Even if he was, the fact that he is a superior dick 24/7 negates what he might be like out of character, since he's never out of character. Besides, stay in character long enough, and that's who you're going to become. Look at Flair as a perfect example. He's lived the playboy, life of the party character for so long that now in his old age, he doesn't know how to do anything else.

I could care less though. I'm never going to sit down and have a beer (or in his case, a Pepsi) with him. It doesn't change my life one bit if he's an asshole or the nicest guy on the planet. I just look to be entertained by the guy... and for the most part I am. Although since they've made him a full fledged face, I don't find him nearly as entertaining... but that's probably because he's too 'real' and can't act the part convincingly at all.

 

[theBec2101]

Just think, How many people can shit talk their Boss and their Workplace and get away with it?

You mean Besides Austin, Rock, Undertaker, HHH, HBK, Shane-O-Mac, Stephanie, and Kurt Angle.(just to name a few. G' I dont know. What a rebel do what a FEW of the greats did before ya. by the way I do like CM Punk, but he does come off as a D-Bag.

 

[AwesomeRko]

In my opinion the guy just comes across as a jealous moron, who whilst complaining about the supposed lack of opportunities within the company for 'people like him', wants to monoplise the main event and if he isn't there acts like a like a child. An example of this would be his desire to face Austin at the main event of next years mania when hes never stopped complaining about Rock taking the current rosters 'spot', apparently its only ok when hes involved in the match.

Case and point the reports that have come out recently about his backstage heat with the Miz;

Recently, WWE champion CM Punk revealed that there has been some tension between former champion The Miz and himself. The conflict stems over Punk's brutal honesty toward The Miz and his match against John Cena at WrestleMania 27 last April. According to a Friday November 25th report by WrestleZone.com, CM Punk made the following comments about The Miz:

"Miz knows exactly how I feel. I've told him about it... I think Miz doesn't know how to deal with that. It's just my brutal honesty. I think you got to just let it roll of your back or you get confrontational about it."

Punk was frustrated over Miz's WM 27 main event world title match against John Cena when he felt that he should be in that match based on the belief that he was the top heel in the company at the time.

Now please tell me how does that in anay way help the company, Punk should be cooperating with [probably] the top heel in the company today not bitching because he's jealous that Miz got the spot an mania which he deserved incidentally.

 

[LoudClearVoice]

What Punk is doing is fine and has been done before (which is why I don't understand why so many people are acting like he's so revolutionary).

Stone Cold bashed Vince on a regular basis and that's how he got over. Stone Cold, The Rock, Jericho, etc. (and several before them) all criticized Vince and WWE as a whole. Most people think it's taboo to criticize your boss and the company you work for publicly and that's why guys that do this get so far over.

There's no problem with what Punk is doing. But let's not fool ourselves, he's not the first one to do this and that's why in some ways, I agree with Jericho.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

Option B for the vast majority of it. That's not to say that he hasn't had legit frustrations with certain members of the WWE brass, I'd be surprised if every current or former WWE star hasn't had some problems with someone at some point.

However, Punk's entire schtick since last summer has been as this anti establishment, corporation hating rebel. It's believable for him and it's obviously a character that he's comfortable with. One thing that Punk isn't is stupid, however. No matter how money he makes them, no matter how good he is in the ring or on the mic, Vince would fire him in a second if everything that he said in these interviews hadn't been approved as part of his character and rightfully so. After all, what sort of idiot would say such things about a company that he's currently signed to were he not in character?

That doesn't mean that he doesn't mean ANY of what he says deep down, however. But, you can't punish people for what they MIGHT feel or MIGHT think.

 

[WolfNyte]

A few times in this thread I have read the complaints about him " Holding the WWE Hostage " and " threatening to leave with the belt and quit" Ummm wow short short memories. Back when this was going on the IWC was all a buzz about how he was doing the same story line he did years ago in ROH. Did you all forget that Vince wanted him to go with that storyline because he was captivated by it when he did it in ROH?

Do you all forget that all he does on and off camera is cleared?
Do you remember him confronting HHH at the convention?
Do you forget that Vince and HHH give him a line not to cross and even give him talking points when out in public.

These are all OLD SCHOOL things.

You step out your door or do anything public its in Kafabe. That is old school.
You get Talking points from the writers and the men in charge. That is old school

I laugh cause when Jericho was doing Kafabe back in his last tour of Duty with the WWE to the point of some chick reaching into his truck and punching hime the IWC was creaming there jeans over it while their momies made the bagel bites. When Punk does Kafabe its HE'S A BASTARD and a PRICK Blah blah blah.

Come on people enjoy the show on and off the television. I mean seriously just cause you dont understand Kafabe dont mock it. I would hate to see what you KIDS would have been like in the 80's with wrestling when everyone was kafabe. Hell even in the 90's and early 2000's Undertaker was never pictured without his garb on outside his house. Even Sting wore his makeup when out of his house. Hogan was in character 24/7 and we never knew who Terry was or who Steve Borden was or that Rick Flair was actually Rick Fliehr.

 

[WWEIsLife2]

I love CM Punk and I love what he has been doing in the last year. Being the current anti-establishment guy & telling things like they are. If Vince/HHH took that much offense what he said Punk would either have been let go a long time ago,suspended,etc. I doubt he would even be WWE Champion at this point & Main Eventing RAWs/PPVs,being on Radio Shows,etc.

So why can't we just enjoy the Show for what it is and thats Entertainment. We always have to nitpick at everything that goes on justs get so tiring all the time.

 

[DirtyD79]

A lot of what he says may have some kernel of truth but I guarantee he's mostly doing it in kayfabe. It only makes sense since it fits his character. That's all the voice of the voiceless schtick is, a character. An entertaining one yes but a character nonetheless.

Otherwise I guarantee he would be in FCW jobbing to first day trainees so fast his head would be spinning before he even got off the plane, not the champion in main events on RAW.

 

[JVel]

The man is in character. It's essentially him just turned up to 11. No one, I repeat, NO ONE, gets away with bashing the company like Punk has done. If any wrestler went onto a radio show, interview, anything and bashed the company, the only gold they'd be seeing is in their WWE '12 video game.

However with Punk, he's being encouraged to do this. He's being told to voice his exaggerated opinions on the radio and in interviews and it creates controversy in the CM Punk character. This subsequently increases interest in Punk and in the Raw brand as a whole by people wanting to see what he does or says next, especially for some of the older fans.

You haven't watched wrestling in a few years. You listen to your favorite sports radio show but today's guest is some guy named CM Punk who's the WWE champion. You then listen to him run his mouth, trash the company, trash his brand, trash his bosses, etc etc. You find yourself interested in the guy and might find yourself checking out the next Raw to see him.

That above scenario is why he's doing what he's doing. He's generating interest in the product as being a loud mouth rebel character saying things many of us wish we could say to our higher ups. They'd be stupid not to encourage it.

 

[theBusiness]

Okay, so maybe he is in character. But even if he is, that character is who he really is. I respect that, but that doesn't take away the fact that he still bitches non stop (whether he's right or wrong), and these "comments" he's making are his true feelings. So it's not like he doesn't mean the shit he says "just cuz he's in character."

 

[WWEvsJosh]

This is how he acts all the time. He in character or not he acts the same way. If you ask me I wold say he is a prick who wants to be the next grand superstar. Let's be honest what really is his character? Not a guy who is against the system but a guy who just wants things his way.

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

Just because he's in character doesn't mean he's not being himself. I think they want him to be himself, separates him from the pack and what not.

Yes, he comes across as a major douche. It's kind of funny. Then again, I constantly get this arrogant tone from him. See, he can get away with that because of how he looks (alternative, tattoos, smaller guy, etc). If a guy like Cena spoke this way, he wouldn't make it through the arena.

His arrogance isn't fake - he truly believes he's better than everyone else. Maybe he is, who knows. But, I have to agree - he's a douche. Doesn't mean I have to hate him for it.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

Punk is amping up his own personal opinions to generate interest...you know, WORKING.

Punk and Cena have a lot in common. People love Punk and think Cena is fake, but Cena is every bit as real as Punk. Some people, believe it or not, ARE actually dedicated to their company. Punk and Cena just go about it in different ways. Punk is a contrarian. Most of the IWC are natural contrarians. They relate to Punk. A lot of the normal people aren't contrarians, they relate to Cena.

It's why they both worked so well over the summer. They're both about as real as it gets. Don't understand how you can be a wrestling fan and a semi-intelligent human being at least and not be able to see how this is clearly Punk being a company man and generating interest by being in character and working. These guys are constantly working. Hogan once said that ALL OF LIFE is a work.