Are neither of you aware that I've got a shitty intrenet connection?
You don't think you're being a little harsh and biased? What Intercontinental title reign in the past 7 years has been up to your idea of "memorable?" Orton's was good. Thats probably it.
He won his first IC title nearly 10 years ago.
But he's had the same amount of World title reigns, and these are the meat and vegetables of the argument. The quality of a world title reign is far greater in importance to an Intercontinental reign. Prove me wrong.
It's about collective title reigns.
Your opinion of memorable really. Im sure some fans don't remember it at all. Especially that sick reversed RKO onto the thumbtacks.
I don't understand your point. Do you agree that it was memorable or not?
I fully expected him to win at WM24.
You would be one of the only ones. Orton won to fool everybody. If you were a member here at the time you could've held your head high.
What I did not expect was Jericho entering the RAW scramble match. Again, whats memorable to you? What if you had alzheimers?
I remember it. But it's not memorable. In the future nobody is going to say ''Hey, remember when Jericho won the WHC without doing anything?''.
Punk getting the shit kicked into him > The actual Scramble match.
It springs to my mind in terms of ladder matches. Cody Deaner's ladder match doesnt.
TLC, WrestleMania X and others are matches that'll always makes peoples top 10 lists. Jericho vs. HBK won't.
Because since Jeff Hardy happened to be in a match with an interesting stip, where the titles changed hands doesnt mean he was interesting. Im sure it was the dudleys at both WM2000 and WM X-7 who were tag champs.
The bumps and the classic matches are still defining moments for Jeff Hardy.
Jericho was Intercontinental during the MITB. Would that contribute to an interesting reign?
No. Maybe if he was IC champ during the better MITB matches. Or maybe if Punk didn't steal his thinder.
So basically, you're saying that since he's had so many chances with the belt and not been memorable to you, he's the worst?
Sounds as good a reason as any. Certainly when WWE keep putting belts on the man.
At which part in an Undertaker title reign were you entertained by something memorable? Or a Bret Hart reign? Just asking you're idea of memorable.
Bret Hart, Iron Man, WrestleMania 12. (Memorable match)
Not sure about Undertaker, might have to think of something. But I don't think yhe's ever been a great champion either.
Every tag team shouldnt have to be put together to recreate "This is your life" or "Austin 3:16".
But surely they should have some?
Why does he have to have done something significant? And why should the fact he hasnt make him one of the worst?
You have to do something significant for people to remember you. Titles solidify that something.
Why is a wealth of good matches not enough to be a good champion?
He's a great wrestler. The fact that he's never had a great match as a champion must surely be an issue.
Does one classic then therefore make up for a reign full of awful matches?
Yeah, if it's good enough.
It was terrible. But one bad apple doesn't spoil the whole basket of apples you recently picked. Im pretty sure thats how the saying goes. It's not like Hogan didn't have a few bad ones.
Hogan always had something that you could look back at and remember well. And more improtantly, easily.
What about last nights match with Mysterio, or at least any of their past matches over the title? He may of lost the title, but so did Bret to the Bulldog.
Time might tell on that Mysterio match. But right now it's nothing.
The outcome of a match isn't improtant.
It's not like he didn't WANT to take off the mask.
But he didn't. Him taking it off would make a career highlight.
2001? Really? His feud with The Rock was pretty solid, the mic work between them was strong, and the matches were nail-biters for fans of both men. Plus, with the Invasion storyline as the backdrop, it created tension among the "face" WWF team. Jericho was a Double-Champion for a time as the WCW Champ and Tag Champ with The Rock.
Like you said, solid.
2003? Really? The first feud with Shawn Michaels and the Wrestlemania 19 classic?
Was that a title match?
That's because the injury cut it short. Jericho parlayed shortly thereafter into the feud with The Rock.
What ifs are all well and good.
The ladder match with Benoit, featuring the Boston Crab atop the ladder.
Maybe.
The Euro-Continental Title Match with Benoit and Angle.
Not really. That lasting image of him holing the European championship won't endure the test of time. Me thinks anway.
Against Guerrero when Chyna turned heel.
No.
Either of those 3 will do just fine.
I think it shows what a poor champion he has been.
They're certainly not the defining moments for the others involved. Benoit & Eddie at the end of Mania XX, Chyna covered in flour holding the IC title are things people remember. Jericho applying a Boston Crab on a aladder is something that he does in every ladder match he's in.
Many people would agree with you. Hell, I was unfulfilled by it. But you have to concede the fact that the N.W.O storyline was occuring, so a load of focus was taken off of Jericho and placed onto The Rock and Austin feuding with Hogan, Hall, and Nash. I mean, Hogan's return to the WWF for the first time since King of the Ring? The NWO in WWE? They put ALL of the main stars into that feud, EXCEPT for Chris Jericho, who was the champion.
I'm not saying it's Jericho's fault. Not entirely anyway.
I dunno. His WCW Championship matches with The Rock were pretty awesome. Near falls, close calls, surprise endings.
But wouldn't you expect him defeating Rock & Austin in one night then both on ther next two PPVs to be more epic than it is?