Calgary Region, Seattle Subregion: First Round: (7) Roddy Piper vs. (26) Great Khali

[klunderbunker]

The following contest is a first round match in the Calgary Region.

This match takes place in the Key Arena, Seattle, Washington

#7 Roddy Piper

Vs.

#26 Great Khali

This contest is one fall with a 20 minute time limit. The match will take place in a 16 x 16 ring with no ramp leading to it. Any traditional managers for either competitor will be allowed at ringside.

As for voting, vote for who you think would win this match based on the criteria you choose. Some suggestions would be (not limited to): in ring ability, overall skill, their level of influence at the highest point in their career, ability to connect with the crowd, experience in major matches or simply personal preference etc.

The most votes in the voting period wins and in the case of a tie, the most written votes wins. There is one written vote per user, meaning if a poster make ten posts saying Bret should win that will count as a single vote. In the event of a second tie, both men are ELIMINATED, no questions asked. Only winners advance.

Voting is open for four days and all posts must be non-spam.​

 

[The Best]

I can see this being a typical slow boring Khali match in the beginning with Khali dominating(due to his size), than after Khali is finished stomping Piper in the corner the ref will look away and Piper will low blow Khali and pick up the win.

Cmon Piper was way to big of a draw to lose to a 7 footer with stick legs

Winner: Piper at 7:30 via low blow.

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

Khali is garbage. Always has been, always will be. He won because he's a gigantic man, and I really don't have a problem with that. But we're not talking about some first-round bum here who would get dropped by Khali. Piper will win at any cost.

I see this match ending in an odd fashion. In some fashion, both men end up on the outside of the ring, and Piper gets back in before the ten count. Piper isn't pinning Khali, but he most definitely wins.

 

[JXL]

The Hot Rod is one of my favorite mouthpieces in professional wrestling. His crazy promos to his emotional promos he's a natural. The only legend to never win a major promotion's championship (WWE and WCW), but has been a prodigy in the territories.

Great Khali from the beginning was a monster. He's very intimidating, but slow and nearly immobile. His world title run wasn't all that good, but he's a big Bollywood star. Piper's sneakiness will take down Khali and apply the sleeper with all his strength.

My vote: Roddy Piper

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Pretty much going with Khali here.

Khali had a short prime if you call it that, but he's beaten Batista, Undertaker, Jeff Hardy, Rey Mysterio, HBK, and John Cena. I'm not saying Piper doesn't have a chance because he does. I just see Khali catching him one time and getting with either the Vice Grip or with the Khali Bomb (whatever you call it).

 

[Bernkastel]

The winner is Great Khali and it’s not even close…

Not one character since Kane or the Undertaker before him has been built up to look like such an overwhelming and dominating force. Look at his namesake… named after the Hindu goddess of power, death, and destruction… and Khali [literally] has caused all three.

He destroyed the Undertaker, not only just through the regular weeks, but on PPV pinning him like he was just some insect. He did the same thing with Shawn Michaels. When he became World Champion he was destroying guys like Batista and Kane on a weekly basis [they teamed up together on PPV during a triple threat and they still couldn’t beat him] It wouldn’t be any different with Piper in his prime. What could he do to even hurt the Great Khali? He’d have to resort to using high risk moves just to get Khali off his feet…

Even though Khali’s slow as fuck, he doesn’t spend any time chasing his opponent, meaning that Piper would have to fight him head on… horrible disadvantage considering that one chop from Khali pretty much ends the match.

If this were an idealistic encounter based on logic, Piper winning by any other methods other than DQ would be a plotkai [it’s an anime term but in this tournament too because we’re comparing two characters.]

 

[Bernkastel]

I can see this being a typical slow boring Khali match in the beginning with Khali dominating(due to his size), than after Khali is finished stomping Piper in the corner the ref will look away and Piper will low blow Khali and pick up the win.

Cmon Piper was way to big of a draw to lose to a 7 footer with stick legs

Winner: Piper at 7:30 via low blow.

You're joking right? A low blow? Kane lowblowed Khali with a fucking chain and then powerslamed him... and even that wasn't enough to pin him. A kick to the balls wouldn't even knock Khali down.

Realistically there's nothing Piper could do to harm Khali without getting himself disqualified; he can't even use Khali's own momentum against him because the man doesn't move fast enough.

Khali would likely get the victory with either the brain chop, the chokebomb, or the vise grip within 5 minutes.

And who gives a shit how big of a draw Piper was, this tournament isn't even about that; if it was Hogan would be the clear winner.

 

[Tanned Sheamus 2.0]

You're joking right? A low blow? Kane lowblowed Khali with a fucking chain and then powerslamed him... and even that wasn't enough to pin him. A kick to the balls wouldn't even knock Khali down.

Realistically there's nothing Piper could do to harm Khali without getting himself disqualified; he can't even use Khali's own momentum against him because the man doesn't move fast enough.

Khali would likely get the victory with either the brain chop, the chokebomb, or the vise grip within 5 minutes.

And who gives a shit how big of a draw Piper was, this tournament isn't even about that; if it was Hogan would be the clear winner.

Totally agree. at WM23 I believe your referring to.

The only moves you see Khali pinned from is something that gets him off his feet, such as the FU/AA, Spinebuster, Chokeslam etc. No way Piper could get him off the floor, and Khali would take a lot more than a low blow before he goes down.

Khali would get 1 chop, vice grip and it would be over and no matter how much people hate the guy, you know its true.

 

[UltimateHitman]

This is professional wrestling. Little guys get wins over big guys all the time. Remember Rey beating Big Show? What about 12/16/07 Armageddon? Khali lost to Finlay(One shillelagh shot). Or 6/28/09 The Bash? Khali lost to Dolph Ziggler in a no count-out, no DQ match. Sure, Kane beat the hell out of Khali, but Ziggler still got the win.

Point is they've had little guys beat big guys before. If these guys can beat Khali, why not Piper? Pretty plausible. At the very least he could get Khali to disqualify himself, or have somebody cause the DQ win by attacking Piper directly. If there's a way, Piper would find it.

 

[Bernkastel]

This is professional wrestling. Little guys get wins over big guys all the time. Remember Rey beating Big Show? What about 12/16/07 Armageddon? Khali lost to Finlay(One shillelagh shot). Or 6/28/09 The Bash? Khali lost to Dolph Ziggler in a no count-out, no DQ match. Sure, Kane beat the hell out of Khali, but Ziggler still got the win.

Point is they've had little guys beat big guys before. If these guys can beat Khali, why not Piper? Pretty plausible. At the very least he could get Khali to disqualify himself, or have somebody cause the DQ win by attacking Piper directly. If there's a way, Piper would find it.

What does Rey beating Big Show have to do with this match? Big Show is most definitely not Khali.

Khali rarely ever loses [by pinfall] regular matches [ I think the last person to do so was John Cena] that aren't No DQ or don't have some sort of special stipulation. This is a regular match, no DQ. The match with Finlay that you mentioned? It was a No DQ match where he beat the fuck out Khali with his wooden stick. Kane also got his victory during a No DQ match. In fact, the Undertaker couldn't beat Khali until they fought in a No DQ match. See a pattern here?

If Piper uses a weapon, he'll get disqualifed and lose. And even if he somehow got the chance to do so while the referee's down, it would probably be in vain, as it's been established that it usually takes more than one shot with a weapon to put Khali down.

 

[JGlass]

Ugh, I want Piper to win, I really do, but I just don't see him beating Khali here. Piper would have to knock Khali out cold with a heavy punch, and quite frankly I'm not sure if Piper can even reach Khali's face. I can tell you with 100% certainty that he's not getting the sleeper hold on Khali, and his cheating skills won't do him much good either as Khali has never really had trouble dealing with low blows or eye rakes or that sort of malarkey.

The only way Piper wins this is if he can lure Khali out of the ring, keep him out there until about 8 or 9, drop kick him in the knee at 9 and get back in the ring just before the ref counts 10. Khali is a fucking idiot (remember when he climbed over the top rope in an over the top rope match?), and Piper is one of the wiliest of all time, so this scenario is extremely possible.

I'm quite torn over who to vote for here, but since that count out scenario is doable and Piper has contributed much more to wrestling over the years and can STILL work a match better than Khali, I'm voting for The Rowdy One.

 

[UltimateHitman]

Actually, if you look it up, it wasn't a no DQ match (Finlay/Khali) Hornswoggle low blowed him w/the shillelagh, handed Finlay the shillelagh, and he whacked him with it. One time. Then got the pin when the ref turned around after he was distracted.

So yeah, regular match, not no-DQ.

Plus, the point (which was super obvious and I even said in my post) was that little guys go over big guys. Rey=little Show=big. Pretty much an easy point to pick up on.

 

[FitFinlay4Life]

Roddy goes after Khali's weakness, his knees and chokes him out with a sleeper while he's chopped down. The Rowdy one is not going to be defeated by a guy who was eliminated from last years Rumble by a woman.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Actually, if you look it up, it wasn't a no DQ match (Finlay/Khali) Hornswoggle low blowed him w/the shillelagh, handed Finlay the shillelagh, and he whacked him with it. One time. Then got the pin when the ref turned around after he was distracted.

So yeah, regular match, not no-DQ.

Plus, the point (which was super obvious and I even said in my post) was that little guys go over big guys. Rey=little Show=big. Pretty much an easy point to pick up on.

Rey Mysterio has never beaten the Big Show one-on-one so that part of your argument goes out the window. Little guys do not always go over big guys as you seem to think .

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Roddy goes after Khali's weakness, his knees and chokes him out with a sleeper while he's chopped down. The Rowdy one is not going to be defeated by a guy who was eliminated from last years Rumble by a woman.

Khali in his prime wouldn't have been eliminated by a woman. Khali would have squashed Beth Phoenix like a bug. He went over some of the biggest names in the WWE and did so convincingly. He's dealt with people who have tried to use underhanded tactics before. Piper would be no different.

 

[Bernkastel]

Actually, if you look it up, it wasn't a no DQ match (Finlay/Khali) Hornswoggle low blowed him w/the shillelagh, handed Finlay the shillelagh, and he whacked him with it. One time. Then got the pin when the ref turned around after he was distracted.

So yeah, regular match, not no-DQ.

I just got done watching it...it was a Belfast Brawl so definitely not a regular match... Finlay uses the shillelagh on the outside after Khali attempts to put Hornswaggle through a table, and just lays into him with it.

Justifiably, its reasonable to think that [kayfabe] a character like Khali cannot be beaten by a midcarder in a regular match without the aid of a weapon.

Plus, the point (which was super obvious and I even said in my post) was that little guys go over big guys. Rey=little Show=big. Pretty much an easy point to pick up on

You totally missed my point though... Big Show and Khali are not the same character... even though both are big, they are two totally different wrestlers [it's like saying Venom and Spiderman are the same because they have similar powers], so you can't justify something that Rey used to beat the Big Show because the same tactics may not work as effectively on Khali... that's my point.

 

[Tech N9ne]

Piper wins this match. Not because he would overcome the size difference, but because he would cheat. That's right, he would cheat.

Khali would start the match off using his power and size and would have the upper-hand. But right when he would attempt to use the Claw, Piper would nail him with a Low Blow that the referee misses.

Khali goes down to one knee and Piper starts lighting him up with those rights and lefts we grew accustomed to seeing him use. A couple pokes to Khali's eyes and one final right knocks Khali completely to his back.

Piper leaves the ring and grabs a chair. Khali starts to get to his feet and Piper is about to smash the chair on his head, until the ref steps in. The referee takes the chair away from Piper and walks it over to the corner to toss it out of the ring. As he does that, Khali gets back to his knee and Piper pulls Brass Knuckles out of his waist line and drills Khali on his chin while wearing them.

The ref never sees it and makes the 3 count as Piper covers Khali for the win.

Sounds relatively likely to me. I vote Piper. Khali may be bigger, but Piper is 10,000,000 fuckin' times BETTER!!

 

[Jack-Hammer]

Khali is crap inside the ring, or on the mic for that matter since he can barely speak a word of English, but he'll demolish Roddy Piper here. Roddy Piper was pretty good in the ring but what he's known best for has been his mic work and that won't help him against someone a foot taller, 200 pounds heavier and far stronger than he could ever hope to be.

Khali is a perfect example of a guy that got a huge push based entirely on looks rather than ability but he's just too big and strong for Piper to overcome. Khali is someone that's gotten clean victories over the likes of The Undertaker & John Cena in the past, two wrestlers that are way out of Piper's league. I love Hot Rod, always have and always will but it's just not gonna happen against Khali. If he makes it 5 minutes, he'll be lucky.

 

[Bernkastel]

Piper wins this match. Not because he would overcome the size difference, but because he would cheat. That's right, he would cheat.

Khali would start the match off using his power and size and would have the upper-hand. But right when he would attempt to use the Claw, Piper would nail him with a Low Blow that the referee misses.

Khali goes down to one knee and Piper starts lighting him up with those rights and lefts we grew accustomed to seeing him use. A couple pokes to Khali's eyes and one final right knocks Khali completely to his back.

Piper leaves the ring and grabs a chair. Khali starts to get to his feet and Piper is about to smash the chair on his head, until the ref steps in. The referee takes the chair away from Piper and walks it over to the corner to toss it out of the ring. As he does that, Khali gets back to his knee and Piper pulls Brass Knuckles out of his waist line and drills Khali on his chin while wearing them.

The ref never sees it and makes the 3 count as Piper covers Khali for the win.

Sounds relatively likely to me. I vote Piper. Khali may be bigger, but Piper is 10,000,000 fuckin' times BETTER!!

That sounds extremely highly unlikely to me...

[Kayfabe] if Khali gets the claw snapped on, Piper would be in way too much pain to get in a low blow. This move has completely immoblized guys like Batista, Cena, and Kane... if these guys were in too much pain to counter, then so would Piper.

And only a blind referee wouldn't see such a blatent low blow if Piper would try to do so before hand.

And how would Piper even find the opprotunuty to leave the ring and get a chair? You make it sound like Piper's just magically incapacitated Khali [which one low blow most certainly would not do.]

Brass knuckles I could see, but what keeps Khali from using the ropes to hold himself up? He's so big that he could easily reach out to grab them as he's reeling from the shot... this is what he did when Umaga hit him with the spike.

 

[Big Sexy]

Khali in his prime was a heel taking on faces who followed by the rules and they mostly came up short against the big man. The only problem is that Piper was also a heel in his prime and very rarely followed the rules. Whether it be by a count out, causing Khali to dq himself, or just the use of a foreign object after a ref distraction, Piper would find a way to win. At Armageddon 2007 shortly after Khali's world title reign, and while still in his prime, he took on Finlay. Finlay got the win after a a ref distraction and a couple shots from the shillelagh. I see a ref bump, brass knuckles from Piper, and a victory for Hot Rod.

 

[UltimateHitman]

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And Show's lost to Shane McMahon, Raven, Carlito, and Floyd Mayweather.

Big John Studd lost to Paul Orndorff, Riki Choshu, Chief Jay Strongbow and Bob Backlund (all smaller guys).

Khali's also been beaten by Edge and Jericho.

My point is that there are times when a smaller guy, like Piper who was wily and crafty (and not above an "equalizer" or two like brass knucks and Cowboy Bob's interference/cast), can and has taken out the big powerhouses.

Thank you.

 

[Tech N9ne]

That sounds extremely highly unlikely to me...

[Kayfabe] if Khali gets the claw snapped on, Piper would be in way too much pain to get in a low blow. This move has completely immoblized guys like Batista, Cena, and Kane... if these guys were in too much pain to counter, then so would Piper.

And only a blind referee wouldn't see such a blatent low blow if Piper would try to do so before hand.

And how would Piper even find the opprotunuty to leave the ring and get a chair? You make it sound like Piper's just magically incapacitated Khali [which one low blow most certainly would not do.]

Brass knuckles I could see, but what keeps Khali from using the ropes to hold himself up? He's so big that he could easily reach out to grab them as he's reeling from the shot... this is what he did when Umaga hit him with the spike.

What would stop Khali from using the ropes to hold himself up? How about something simple, like he is in the center of the ring.

What is so unlikely about someone falling to his back after getting kicked in the nuts? Also, you make it seem like the referee missing something is so rare and unlikely. Umm... It happens more times then the referee catches someone doing something illegal.

I don't think it is a such a stretch for Piper to be able to roll outside, grab a chair and get back in the ring while Khali is hurting from getting kicked in the balls and a slew of punches. It isn't like Piper has to run backstage to get a chair, it would be right there on the outside of the ring. It would literally take 10 seconds for Piper to grab it.

The fact of Khali locking on the Claw and it not being broken is a dumb statement if Piper immediately responded with a kick to the nuts. Besides, I never said Piper would break out of the Claw, I said as Khali attempts the Claw, Piper kicks him in the nuts. Piper was actual Boxer, so it isn't a stretch that his punches would do enough damage after a Low Blow to give him the short amount of time needed to grab that chair. I also stated that when Piper was getting back into the ring with the chair, Khali was beginning to get up.

LOL @ A Low Blow not doing enough damage to have Khali down for a solid 10-20 seconds. He is huge but I guarantee his balls are just as sensitive as Rey Mysterio's.

If he can go down from being hit with a stick in his arm by Finlay, a kick in the nuts, coupled with 10-15 punches from Piper, can keep Khali down for the 10 seconds needed to get a chair.

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[UltimateHitman]

Aha. So that's the infamous Belfast Brawl (from Smackdown) I've been hearing about. Not the match I referred to and posted from Armageddon.

At Armageddon it took a nut shot from a midget and one blow from the shillelagh to down Khali for a pinfall. And that was Finlay (well, and Hornswoggle).

Do we really think that Piper, w/his nut shot, eye poke, knucks, or "Ace" Orton (or chair. Sorry, Crooked. Almost forgot) couldn't take Khali down?

 

[The Brain]

I can't picture Khali beating Piper. Khali may be bigger and stronger but Piper is defineitly smarter. Piper would find a way to beat Khali. He would rake the eyes, use low blows, bite, scratch, choke, and do whatever else is necessary. I think Piper would run circles around Khali and keep him off balanced. Let's not forget Piper's finisher. It's the sleeper which is the ideal finishing move when facing such a big man. If Piper can sitck and move for about ten minutes he can tire Khali out and then put him to sleep.

 

[Bernkastel]

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And Show's lost to Shane McMahon, Raven, Carlito, and Floyd Mayweather.

Big John Studd lost to Paul Orndorff, Riki Choshu, Chief Jay Strongbow and Bob Backlund (all smaller guys).

Khali's also been beaten by Edge and Jericho.

My point is that there are times when a smaller guy, like Piper who was wily and crafty (and not above an "equalizer" or two like brass knucks and Cowboy Bob's interference/cast), can and has taken out the big powerhouses.

Thank you.

No... thank you for [again] missing my point on Khali not being the same character as Big Show, or Andre, or Kane, or Taker, or Yokozuna, or any other big wrestler.

I've already explained that just being "wild and crafty" just isn't going to cut it against a guy like Khali. Think objectively... just how is Piper going to get the chance to use all these different equalizers when he's getting crushed by Khali? Logically, Piper has to create some kind of opening first to use weapons effectively. A low blow would normally work, but as I've pointed out, they don't work too well against Khali. He'd have use high risk moves to take Khali down long enough to prepare a weapon without the ref noticing it.

High risks moves are dangerous to use, and Khali can just as easily chop Piper out of the air. Another thing is that Piper is logically going to be getting dominated the entire time, and he doesn't have the strength to suddenly pick Khali up and slam to turn the momentum around, so how is Piper going to A) find a way to put Khali on defense, and then B) find a way to take Khali down long enough so that he can subtly use a weapon without the referee seeing it? He can't use a low blow, and high risk moves have a 50/50 shot, and if he misses he's fucked.

Piper has way too many disadvantages in this match to overcome logically without plotkaiing a victory.

Realistically, the most likely senario for this match would be Piper getting himself intentionally DQ'ed just to survive.