Brock Lesnar in the WHC mix

[The Architect of Anarchy]

i want to delve into the thought of this. Sheamus is meant to and is looking as the unbeatable force. He's won over 4 pay per views now and we've had the amazing in ring action from Del Rio all the way to Ziggler. All have tried and failed and we're now onto the fourth title defence against Del Rio (correct me if I'm wrong).

If these guys can't beat him, who will? Orton is the obvious choice but WWE, IMO, looks like they don't want to put him in the main event due to the chance of another wellness policy strike.

Brock Lesnar? I say this because who else is there? For Sheamus, you'd need worthy contenders to make this title feud successful. John Cena is caught up with WWE Championship. Other's I can think of are regulars who could put up a great match but fall short.


The two have an impending amount of potential to put on a great match. They both brawl. They're both huge athletes. Maybe these two could feud back and forth over two pay-per views then Lesnar looks great to taken on Taker's streak at Mania.

The only negative I can bring out of this is that - Lesnar is only limited on dates so what's the point? Then again, Rock is on the verge of hunting the WWE Championship and he has a limited dates contract.

I'm painting this as if this would be on a card.

Sheamus (C) vs Brock lesnar w/Paul Heyman for the WHC Championship in Hell in a Cell

The name speaks for itself. Plus Brock was put into the company for legitimacy, put him in the World Championship picture, and you have yourself some prestige added back to the title.

How? Brock Lesnar's value and status within the company's hierarchy speaks for itself, and if you put him into the gold, that shines off abit on the belt.


Have I look at this the wrong way? Are there more negatives to this than positives? Do you think Lesnar doesn't deserve a shot?


Your views and criticism is the next to follow.

 

[avi01]

The world heavyweight title, despite the name and the look is the b-title. No WHC match has main evented a PPV in quite a while, plus it is Smack Down`s title (the b-show).If Lesnar is going to be in a title mix ,it will be the WWE title, on raw...this is the main title and show... Lesnar is an attraction and is not in the WWE to play 2nd roles, which is exactly what the WHC picture is. Brock vs. Sheamus(no WHC) is a possibility tho. WWE seemed to be willing to push Sheamus to the moon and a victory vs. Lesnar would do just that. Personally, I would see this as a waste , Sheamus is a boring as it gets, his title reign has been horrible and I have no interest in watching him anymore. But WWE seemed to have a lot of faith in him, so it is a probability.

 

[Mr Monday Night Raw]

Sorry but I dont agree with this, im the biggest Lesnar fan as much as the peson next to me. But are forgeting about WADE BARRET he sceduled to be on monday night raw and will probally be gunning after Sheamus then after that feud we have Randy Orton (if he doesnt fail the tests) Christian, Cody Rhodes, Ziggler, Mark Henry.
Sorry but others deserve the shot more than lesnar.

 

[King Patrick Star]

This is actually quite interesting. This could change WM XXIX landscape. I could picture the following matches.

1. WWE Champion, The Rock vs. John Cena
2. World Heavyweight Champion, Brock Lesnar vs. Undertaker
3. The winner of the World Heavyweight Championship match vs. the winner of the WWE Championship match in a Unification match for the Undisputed WWE World Heavyweight Championship.

Of course, John Cena would get “revenge” and defeat the Rock. Of course, Undertaker would keep the streak intact and defeat Brock Lesnar.

The interesting part here is the two Superstars who walked in as Challengers in the Unification match. Of course Undertaker would win because it’s at WrestleMania. He could always drop it to Cena at the following PPV…or Taker could hold on to it till SummerSlam, giving the other Championships some much deserved air-time from April to August. Kinda like the 80s, only better.

 

[thegeo015]

"World Heavyweight Champion, Brock Lesnar vs. Undertaker
3. The winner of the World Heavyweight Championship match vs. the winner of the WWE Championship match in a Unification match for the Undisputed WWE World Heavyweight Championship." (quote from King Patrick)

sorry but that would not work, taker needs a bunch of surgeries after WM, how would he seriously be able to be champion for even one month let alone summerslam!?!

i think if they want to put lesnar in the title picture for WM time, have him fight ortan, then have the taker match a fatal fourway with sheamus, barret and ziggler. that way some up and comers can get a chance at the streak before taker retires

 

[Jack-Hammer]

I just don't see this happening. At the end of the day, SmackDown! is basically the B-Show. Not that the quality is generally less in terms of the wrestlers, but Raw is the flagship show. Raw is generally where all the huge happenings take place, partially because Raw is live.

Now there's nothing stopping them from having Lesnar & Sheamus interact on Raw. I think it'd be interesting to see these two go at it. I don't look for it to happen because of one huge reason: Lesnar's schedule.

Brock Lesnar's WWE deal has him working only about 30+ appearances in total. Last Monday on Raw will probably be the last time we see Lesnar for a couple of months at least. You can't have a WHC contender that only works part time. Lesnar is someone that has ZERO interest in working anything approaching a full time schedule in WWE, the schedule is why he left almost a decade ago in the first place. The reason why Lesnar has been feuding with Triple H & John Cena is because, aside from being mega stars in wrestling, they're not currently carrying championships. In the case of Triple H, he's also an executive that wrestles very sparingly now, so he's someone that can go for months on end without entering into a feud with someone. Triple H being "injured" was a way of ultimately keeping the feud on people's minds without Trips & Lesnar even having to make an appearance. You can't do that with Sheamus because he'd have to give up the title, thus making a match between the two more of a grudge match instead of a feud for the World Heavyweight Championship.

As WHC, Sheamus has to appear very often and wrestle regularly. He has to have frequent interaction with whomever he feuds with. With only so many dates in his contract, WWE has to pick & choose what they think will ultimately be the best use of Lesnar. What I mean by best use is what will ultimately make more money. The whole purpose is Lesnar being in the WWE is to use him as a special attraction to occassionally pop a rating or jack up ppv buys. The World Heavyweight Champion needs to face opponents that appear and wrestle on a regular basis.

The only scenario in which I think this could work would be during the build towards WrestleMania. However, I have a feeling that WWE is going for Taker vs. Lesnar at WM, especially if he ultimately remains undefeated in WWE going forward. Let's face it. Taker vs. Lesnar at WM will be a huge money match, much more so than Sheamus vs. Lesnar.

 

[JaylisJayP]

The WHC is on par with the IC, US Title, etc... now. It's almost completely irrelevant. Nobody cares about it and nobody watches Smackdown, as is evident in the ratings.

They're paying Brock Lesnar huge money, they're not going to waste him on a stupid Smackdown feud.

 

[Defekt]

I don't think Sheamus is a big enough star yet to work with Lesnar. Brock has limited dates, and the WWE probably wants to squeeze as many dream matches out of him as possible.

Also, the WHC is a mid card title that really doesn't matter to anyone. Would be pretty strange for Brock to all of a sudden want to capture it.

 

[JaylisJayP]

I don't think Sheamus is a big enough star yet to work with Lesnar. Brock has limited dates, and the WWE probably wants to squeeze as many dream matches out of him as possible.

Also, the WHC is a mid card title that really doesn't matter to anyone. Would be pretty strange for Brock to all of a sudden want to capture it.

Exactly, he already declared himself the new King of Kings, or Heyman did. Pardon the extremely dated comparison, but challenging for the WHC now would be like beating a Guitar Hero song on Expert and then going back to try to beat it on Medium difficulty.

 

[a member of wwe universe]

I don't think Sheamus is a big enough star yet to work with Lesnar. Brock has limited dates, and the WWE probably wants to squeeze as many dream matches out of him as possible.

Also, the WHC is a mid card title that really doesn't matter to anyone. Would be pretty strange for Brock to all of a sudden want to capture it.

Right there. The world title is like the ic title of the 90s in terms of credibility. Why would lesnar want that title? Sheamus is good but hes no near the level of orton, cena, punk etc. Why would wwe pair him up with lesnar. Sheamus will have to get in line to work with lesnar if that will even happen.

These are the dream match that will happen before sheamus name will mention

brock vs taker
Brock vs rock
brock vs punk
brock vs orton
brock vs cena (rematch) should lesnar sign another deal after mania

 

[XXJJ]

I dont see Brock ever getting involved in either the WWE title or the WHC. Lesnar is being pushed as an "ass kicker". His character wants to hurt and injure wrestlers. I dont think he cares about winning matches or titles.

Plus, it would be kind of silly trying to convince fans that a wrestler who doesn't show up weekly has a great desire to become champion.

The title would be secondary in any feud with Brock. Thats why it will likely never happen.

 

[HBKistheHOF]

I think it would make sense for Brock to be in the WHC title picture.

To see Brock win the WHC would be cool, not to mention that the WHC could REALLY use a legitimate name to hold that title.

It makes perfect sense:
- Sheamus get's an excuse to lose to a guy that is clearly a worthy opponent
- Brock wins his first WHC
- Lesnar has a short but solid reign, making younger guys look good by putting up a solid fight against the "UFC Ass-Kicker". Therefore restoring some pretige and adding intrigue to the WHC again.
- Then Lesnar can lose the belt to Ziggler so he doesn't look weak losing to the MitB but Ziggler still looks strong.
- Then Lesnar can put over Ziggler & maybe Barrett or someone before his mania match

That would:
- Restore some prestige to the WHC
- Add intrigue & complleing story to Smackdown (Which has been crap lately IMO)
- Put over several young talent
- And keep them all looking strong with Sheamus losing to a monster & Ziggler beating a "legit ass-kicker".

But obviously that makes WAY too much sense for Vinnie Mac.

Lesnar has limited dates and they want him only for select RAW's & some rare PPV's. The only guys we could see him face are HHH & Cena Again or Taker, Punk, Rocky & MAYBE Orton (but I think we can all see that ship has look to have sailed.)



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Plus, it would be kind of silly trying to convince fans that a wrestler who doesn't show up weekly has a great desire to become champion.

The Rock??

Is anyone really convinced The Rock cares to come back & be champion? Maybe for more money but that is all.

All he has done is come back once since the RAW after Mania, say he won't be back for several months till the rumble, & get layed out by Punk.

I'm not a Rocky basher or Cena lover but Rock didn't deserve the win at Mania & he doesn't deserve the title again or to win any more matches.

 

[The Average Guy]

I think it would make sense for Brock to be in the WHC title picture.

To see Brock win the WHC would be cool, not to mention that the WHC could REALLY use a legitimate name to hold that title.

It makes perfect sense:
- Sheamus get's an excuse to lose to a guy that is clearly a worthy opponent
- Brock wins his first WHC
- Lesnar has a short but solid reign, making younger guys look good by putting up a solid fight against the "UFC Ass-Kicker". Therefore restoring some pretige and adding intrigue to the WHC again.
- Then Lesnar can lose the belt to Ziggler so he doesn't look weak losing to the MitB but Ziggler still looks strong.
- Then Lesnar can put over Ziggler & maybe Barrett or someone before his mania match

That would:
- Restore some prestige to the WHC
- Add intrigue & complleing story to Smackdown (Which has been crap lately IMO)
- Put over several young talent
- And keep them all looking strong with Sheamus losing to a monster & Ziggler beating a "legit ass-kicker".

But obviously that makes WAY too much sens for Vinnie Mac.



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Plus, it would be kind of silly trying to convince fans that a wrestler who doesn't show up weekly has a great desire to become champion.




Is anyone really convinced The Rock cares to come back & be champion? Maybe for more money but that is all.

All he has done is come back once since the RAW after Mania, say he won't be back for several months till the rumble, & get layed out by Punk.

I'm not a Rocky basher or Cena lover but Rock didn't deserve the win at Mania & he doesn't deserve the title again or to win any more matches.

Dont get me wrong I agree with you. Im just saying the WWE is trying to convince us that the Rock really cares so it would be too far fetched for them to try to convince us Brocks wants the strap.

But in actuality all he should be here for is big money fights. And for people who say he should put people over are only kidding themselves. You dont pay someone like Brock to come in and put Sheamus or Ziggler over, you pay him to sell PPV's which is why he should only fight Cena,HHH,Taker,Rock,Punk(even this is a stretch) and maybe Orton.

 

[Teddy Irving]

I think it would make sense for Brock to be in the WHC title picture.

To see Brock win the WHC would be cool, not to mention that the WHC could REALLY use a legitimate name to hold that title.

It makes perfect sense:

Ok I'll play along for the moment, I am with you so far Brock wins this would be cool and would make the WHC seem more prestigious

- Sheamus get's an excuse to lose to a guy that is clearly a worthy opponent

Ok again I am with you, the WWE is booking Sheamus as a strong, rough, tough brawling guy who loves to fight anywhere and anytime. Sheamus will clearly be a big player in the future(provided he doesn't shoot himself in the foot), so yeah Brock beating him in a good back and forth match would leave Sheamus looking strong in the end(Which is more important than how Brock looks really as Sheamus wont be leaving the company as soon as Brock).

- Brock wins his first WHC

No real need for Brock to win his first WHC, I mean he was undisputed champion in his original run but yeah sure why not have him win it. Not sure why he isn't going after the WWE title which is more valued in the company but hey he can do that later.

- Lesnar has a short but solid reign, making younger guys look good by putting up a solid fight against the "UFC Ass-Kicker". Therefore restoring some pretige and adding intrigue to the WHC again.

See now this is where I begin to disagree Lesnar shouldn't be getting a good solid fight from just anyone or it makes him seem less of a dominating force,sure some of them can give him a good back and forth match, but others can get in some offense but ultimately be beaten pretty definitively therefore keeping Lesner looking extremely strong. This should make the WHC more prestigious.

- Then Lesnar can lose the belt to Ziggler so he doesn't look weak losing to the MitB but Ziggler still looks strong.

Now I am back with you. Dolph has the MitB briefcase so he can use that to win the title. He can cash in when Lesnar is down and out, this could be after a particularly grueling match or you know it could just be that the all got sick of Lesnar and his reign and a massive beatdown ensued. The wrestlers feel they would have a better chance beating Dolph so why not collectively attack Lesnar get Dolph to win. No one looks weak here and it gets the belt back onto a full time wrestler.

- Then Lesnar can put over Ziggler & maybe Barrett or someone before his mania match

Now before I start this I know you don't HAVE to let someone win to get them over but Lesnar does HAVE to win.
Now you have lost me again. It's one thing for Lesnar to lose to Ziggler due to MitB, but he can't put him over clean. Now before anyone says anything I am a huge Ziggler fan, and the same with Barrett, but you are telling me that Brock Lesnar who has taken Cena to the limit and beaten and possibly retired HHH(storyline) will lose to Ziggler in his title rematch. Ziggler is an up and coming star if he is capable of beating Lesnar and no one else is capable of doing this single handedly well then that makes Dolph simply better than all the rest of the guys (the guys he has not been able to beat for the titles so far).
Now Barrett has a better chance against Lesnar, he is bigger and he is a previous bare knuckle boxing champion(storyline) so he is more than capable of a straight up fight where it is going blow for blow and there is no rope breaks and such. So I can see a good fight between these two but again Lesnar is going to have to win. Why? Well, it's because of Undertaker and WM.
If you are going to have Lesnar challenge Taker at Mania for the streak well then he can't be out losing matches to guys like Ziggler or Barrett. If these guys are able to beat him on a random day then Taker will beat him at Mania, a place where Taker has never lost and puts it all into. For people to buy into Lesnar ending the streak they need to believe that before WM there is nobody that can stop him, not even Taker.

That would:
- Restore some prestige to the WHC
- Add intrigue & complleing story to Smackdown (Which has been crap lately IMO)
- Put over several young talent
- And keep them all looking strong with Sheamus losing to a monster & Ziggler beating a "legit ass-kicker".

But obviously that makes WAY too much sense for Vinnie Mac.

Do you see the flaws in your plan? Do you see why it doesn't make WAY too much sense and that VKM wouldn't be going for that. Lesnar doesn't need the title and he can't have many losses going into Mania. He will need to drop it before he goes into WM if he is going to be against Taker so that will mean at least 1 loss and then add a second for his return title match.

 

[metalbass]

Not the WHC but the WWE championship could make lots of sense. Picture this:

At Survivor Series Brock beats CM Punk for the WWE title.

He defends and succeeds in a triple threat match at the next PPV (CM Punk vs. John Cena vs. Brock Lesnar), solidifying the ass kicking persona.

He goes on to Royal Rumble to face the Rock, who by way of outside interference from Punk, wins the match and captures the WWE title.

Elimination Chamber would be the start of the feuds going into Wrestlemania. We have Brock, Rock, Cena, CM Punk, Big Show and a returning Undertaker in a brutal (in a good way) Elimination Chamber match. UT and Brock will go at each other resulting ultimately with Brock in the Hell's Gate while Undertaker's shoulders are on the mat. As the 3 count comes down, Brock taps (effectively eliminating both and setting up Brock vs. Undertaker at WM29). Big Show will knock Cena out of the match with the WMD and fall later to a Rock, Punk double team frenzy (Cena vs. Big Show for WM29 comes out of this). It doesn't matter who wins between Rock and Punk, they can also set that match up for WM29 for the WWE championship as well, where Punk probably would win it back depending on how long Rock would be planning on staying.

This would keep Brock more than relevant in the WWE and since his contract would be up by Wrestlemania it could make good use of the limited dates on his contract.

 

[The Architect of Anarchy]

Not the WHC but the WWE championship could make lots of sense. Picture this:

At Survivor Series Brock beats CM Punk for the WWE title.

He defends and succeeds in a triple threat match at the next PPV (CM Punk vs. John Cena vs. Brock Lesnar), solidifying the ass kicking persona.

He goes on to Royal Rumble to face the Rock, who by way of outside interference from Punk, wins the match and captures the WWE title.

Elimination Chamber would be the start of the feuds going into Wrestlemania. We have Brock, Rock, Cena, CM Punk, Big Show and a returning Undertaker in a brutal (in a good way) Elimination Chamber match. UT and Brock will go at each other resulting ultimately with Brock in the Hell's Gate while Undertaker's shoulders are on the mat. As the 3 count comes down, Brock taps (effectively eliminating both and setting up Brock vs. Undertaker at WM29). Big Show will knock Cena out of the match with the WMD and fall later to a Rock, Punk double team frenzy (Cena vs. Big Show for WM29 comes out of this). It doesn't matter who wins between Rock and Punk, they can also set that match up for WM29 for the WWE championship as well, where Punk probably would win it back depending on how long Rock would be planning on staying.

This would keep Brock more than relevant in the WWE and since his contract would be up by Wrestlemania it could make good use of the limited dates on his contract.

There is a reason why I wanted to put Lesnar into the WHC. Everyone knows it plays second to the WWE Championship. Which gives the need for Lesnar more of a reason. If the WHC looks powerful and prestigious, it would make a young and upcoming title holder look good.

Giving Lesnar the WWE Championship? The plus I see in that is you automatically pit him against a worthy opponent who can put on a great match. However, it doesn't give a chance for the youngsters.

 

[refuses_to_job]

i think it's ok for Brock Lesnar to have matches against top guys but he shouldn't be winning any titles. The only guys who deserve to win the WWE/Heavyweight titles are CM Punk.

 

[metalbass]

There is a reason why I wanted to put Lesnar into the WHC. Everyone knows it plays second to the WWE Championship. Which gives the need for Lesnar more of a reason. If the WHC looks powerful and prestigious, it would make a young and upcoming title holder look good.

Giving Lesnar the WWE Championship? The plus I see in that is you automatically pit him against a worthy opponent who can put on a great match. However, it doesn't give a chance for the youngsters.

It seems that the belt to give youngsters a chance has already turned into the WHC championship. Like it or not the WWE championship has to be one of the biggest draws currently in the WWE and really can't be doled out to youngsters until they have proven without a shadow of a doubt they are ready to carry the brand and draw viewers. The WHC (as well as the IC/US titles) are great to put on youngsters to see what they can and can't do for the company without hurting their bottom line. That being said I believe we will be seeing a lot of Ziggler, Barrett, Rhodes, Sheamus, Del Rio (even though he isn't exactly *young*) in the WHC picture. Having Brock in the WHC picture IMO could potentially cause a disservice to the WHC and the WWE talent turning a new leaf. He's not much more than a commodity on the show at this point.

 

[boywithbluehanger]

The way Punk shitted on the WHC on RAW by saying that the holder of it makes himself "2nd at best" to the WWE Champ is pretty much the reason why this probably won't happen. We know what he said was true but its one of those things that should never have been said out loud unless for a lasting storyline purpose. If they went this route, they'd almost have to make the WHC champ have a "draw" with the WWE champ in an effort to make both titles look equally as significant. And honestly, after what C.M. Punk said out loud during RAW, they'd actually have to have the WHC champion defeat the WWE champ at this point before making it matter enough.