Bray Wyatt Is Half Pregnant

[Pay Per Ghost]

And that ain't no fat slur boys and girls; its just an old Vinnie Mac line that I have heard just like you on these dirtsheets.



Allow me to explain.



"You Can't Be Half Pregnant"

The fact of the matter is this, if you are given a character you have to fully embrace it in any entertainment field. If you have a natural mean streak, guess what? You're the head honcho in a mafia movie, Badabing! If you are given a flamboyant character, who loves beautiful women, travels in fast cars and loves all the fine things in life...well you're Ric Flair.

I am firmly on the Wyatt Wagon. Seatbelts on. Love his promos, have started to faze out the content coz, well its just jibberish but his delivery and expressions, immaculate. And that little piggy can go in the ring too (ok thats a fat joke). But the thing is, and allow me to explain with a recent example: the man talks about how Y2J didn't save us; uhhh... well we weren't really waiting on him you know. It was a gimmick and quite frankly you repeating it and using it as just a useless cause for a feud just makes you look stupid Bray.

But here is how nonsensical it has been for him:

With Kane

- Loses Ring Of Fire
- Gets abducted by the family
- Comes back and hands over the mask to The Authority and turn corporate

I tuned into the show when Kane returned and thought 'so ok now the story is gonna be, that Kane has been brainwashed and has conceded that he isn't the true monster of WWE anymore, Bray Wyatt is. Ok they should mention that on screen.'

Not. A. Word.


With Bryan

Best, best feud for the Wyatts. Bryan was hot, Wyatts were hot. Both had the Swampland beards going. They could have thrown ZZ Top in there and we would have ODed on them motherf*cking bushes! The turn came early, and had to. Bryan had to move on to bigger things.

Stunted.



With Cena

I had so much hope with this. But the end result was what...Embrace The Hate Cena? Become A Monster Cena?! Listen to half the people booing you! Didn't Kane do that the year before with Ryder and Torres thrown in the mix?




With Jericho

The aforementioned line of - "You told everyone, you would save them Chris, but where were you? Where were you Chris?"- Bray Wyatt

Can't Bray just be the guy who says 'STOP FUCKING SAYING THINGS THAT YOU GUYS DON'T DO!' Coz that would make a lot more sense now.



Now here is the clincher. Bray, all this time, has been talking about he is this really above life & death entity. He talks in tongue, does the creepy walk and his promos, keep getting vaguer. There is this detach that one is starting to feel (and for fuck's sake that song is just forced!) because he talks about all this supernatural mumbo-jumbo and there is no end game to it. It's not that he loses, its just not believable anymore. With Taker, he would say 'I will take your soul to hell', you would kinda guffaw coz you've smartened up to the business and you know thats just dry ice in the urn. And then he would roll his eyes and that bell would toll...it was like you were 10 all over again. Lightning would strike, flames would shoot and you would let yourself get carried away with it and you would believe in The Undertaker and his mystique.


Bray is still in his infancy, his sails will pick up wind and go to its destination but at the moment, he just has to make sense or say something and then do it by a flow of logic. He is just half-pregnant right now.

 

[Fire Marshall Bill]

It's all Cena's fault. Right? That is usually the case, isn't it?

No really I agree with you on his promos. I've said from day 1 that his promos are nothing more than nonsensical rambling. The exception to that would be his feud with Cena, because he was saying something that actually made sense. Now it seems he's saying practically the same stuff with is feud against Jericho.

I don't think his booking has much to do with it. He's a character who openly admits winning and losing mean nothing to him. And it really shouldn't.

Where I think you're taking it too far is comparing him with Undertaker. Just because they both try to be creepy doesn't mean they're the same. I think what you're saying Undertaker is just as unbelievable of a character but he pulls it off. But is Wyatt really that unbelievable of a character? He's a cult leader essentially. They exist in real life (and while undertakers do exist in real life, I think we can agree that the character is a bit more than just that).

I'm not quite sure what you're looking for. Do you want Harper and Rowan bow at his mercy and be "healed" by Wyatt? Because it sounds to me like execution of the character is what is lacking in your eyes.

 

[TheICChampion]

If Bray is supposed to be a cult leader, why aren't they making more of it? Sure, we had Bryan "turn", but only for, what, 2 weeks? Then in the feud with Cena, they made a point of children turning on Cena, only to have that basically go nowhere. I agree, what are they trying to do with him? I think it kind of is creative's fault, in the sense that they probably don't even know what to do with the character anymore. I find myself losing more and more interest in what's going to happen with Bray. As far as his promo skills and what he says, I don't know if you know this, but it's not exactly his fault there, either. Sure, he has the option to make some changes, but basically everything he says is scripted. I hope things change, because I have high hopes for the Wyatts, and especially Bray as the new generation. God knows we don't want Cena and Orton as the sole two guys at the top for another several years.

 

[21 and Bork]

As far as his promo skills and what he says, I don't know if you know this, but it's not exactly his fault there, either. Sure, he has the option to make some changes, but basically everything he says is scripted.

That's not strictly true in this particular case.

http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2014/0203/569895/backstage-news-on-bray-wyatt-promos/

Granted, who knows what they mean by submitting for approval. The editing there could be quite rigorous.

I agree with the rest of what you said. I'm still not understanding why they ditched a lot of the initial "cult leader" stuff. It would seem the obvious route initially would have been to have him pick off and brainwash some lower-tier talents to prove his reach and influence. They need not become full-time members of the Wyatts or anything, just act under Bray's influence while he's interested in influencing them. Then, when he moves on, so can they. This sort of thing could still be implemented if they wanted to give his character a more meaningful direction following his Jericho feud.

 

[Slash-LN]

I'm still enjoying Bray.
I like his promo style and with the pacing back and forth and everything.
I don't mind his matches.

I guess what people want is more depth? I could be totally wrong but that's the impression I'm getting.

From the Jericho feud I was hoping to get some more back and forth on the mic but obviously we can't have the same thing every week.

Do people want the Straight Edge Society stuff we got with Punk and everyone involved? Is that where you guys want Bray to go with the Wyatt Family?

 

[New Hot Fed]

When Bray first showed up, he looked like a scary Charles Manson-type with mindgames and he seems outright deadly. But after a few feuds he seems like he's a bunch of talks. The beatdowns his guys give to other wrestlers have no consequences since most victims return in the same week like nothing happened. And Bray doesn't beat anybody right now. And it's not like he injures anyone when he faces them. He's PG all the way. Hell I thought these guys were crazy southern invaders of sort but they don't invade anything. They don't change anything. They don't bloody anybody. And I've noticed that Bray's promos have gotten pretty cartoonish since they don't relate to anything real. It's scarier to say "I will cut your throat" than saying "I will be you Chris Jericho cause you represent all things I hate". I don't watch wrestling to see politicians but guys that really want to hurt one another.

Furthermore the fact that the WWE is still in PG mode hurts someone like Bray. Cause he should be as dangerous as possible and spill tons of blood, be the ultimate boogey man like Abdula the Butcher and Mankind but instead he's just a fat bearded fella with two harmless kittens.

 

[JustZackster]

I agree with you. I like the fact that you mentioned his feuds and what the objective was and what really happened because that's something that bothers me. Yes, Bray is still developing, but they've gotta do better with him. I'm intrigued by his character but I just wish he would get things done the way he says. I want to see more of what happened in his feud with Bryan, where he decimates his opponent so bad and convinces them to join the family, not that the family needs more members. There just needs to be more fruit to the feuds. Something has got to change in Bray's opponents to make it believable that he can brainwash people (Kane) or make others "see clearly" (Cena).

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

Why does he need logic? To quote Scream, sometimes it's scarier when there is no logic. No rhyme or reason. Logic allows you to feel safe. You can explain something (this is why 9/11 Truthers exist, they used reverse scientific method to "prove" their conspiracy is true because the fact that natural chaos scares the shit out of them).

Bray Wyatt is chaos. He doesn't need to be logical.

 

[4realpeoples]

I fail to see the problem that the OP has with Bray Wyatt. Wyatt is an entertaining character. He has good promos skills and puts on decent matches. Do all of his promos make perfect sense? No. And they do not have to. That's his character! He plays his part well and he is able to be the ideal antithesis of the person he is feuding against.

Is Bray Wyatt the absolute perfect character in this perfect world of perfectness? No. Nobody here is going to make that argument. However, he is great at what he does. Again, I do not see what the argument for him or against him is.

 

[Navi]

His promo's have always intrigued and interested me, because he's one of the few guys in the WWE that actually looks and feels comfortable with the mic. Not only that he can almost make you believe in what he says, well until he steps into the ring. His ring work is what has disappointed me the most. Yes he is good, but not great, and that creepy walk of his, while in the beginning would make your hair stand on end, doesn't anymore. It's been extremely overused.

I think the biggest problem for me is believe it or not is his brother. I think Bo Dallas could become more of a psycho than Wyatt, and he doesn't need the goons to support him. His gimmick of the "heel who doesn't know he's a heel" is much more interesting any day of the week, and could in time overshadow Wyatt. When Dallas goes from the smiling buffoon to the cold hearted maniac in less than 5 seconds, it does send a chill up your spine. It will be interesting to see how they both progress as time goes by.

 

[Kidpolean]

You know that if we all stopped breaking down and critiquing every aspect of pro wrestling and its characters than we might actually enjoy it. Most people on this forum just come off as bitter ex wrestling fans that still watch just so that they can have something to complain about.

Wyatt is top 5 in the wwe right now...enough said. There is nothing wrong with him or his character. This is nonsense.

 

[21 and Bork]

Wyatt is top 5 in the wwe right now...enough said. There is nothing wrong with him or his character. This is nonsense.

I swear I'm not trying to be combative about this, but Top 5 of what?

There is no doubt Bray hasn't done much meaningful winning, which in itself is not the problem. His character can survive without all the winning, but you have to make the losing meaningful in some way. Have John Cena actually doubt himself and change in some real way after coming face to face with Wyatt. Let his opponents legitimately question themselves the way they teased Cena doing in the Wyatt feud, but ultimately bailed on. Have Kane turn and join the Wyatts after his defeat at Summerslam. Really anything to prove that Wyatt has the reach and influence over people that he and the announcers claim he does. I say all this, not from a jaded wrestling place, but from the place of someone who had been anticipating Wyatt's debut to the main roster from his NXT days. I think most people that are critical of him feel similarly. He's very young and I have no doubt that in the long run he'll work the kinks out in his gimmick. However, that doesn't stop me from wanting to see it be more effective now when it really could be.

 

[Kidpolean]

I swear I'm not trying to be combative about this, but Top 5 of what?

There is no doubt Bray hasn't done much meaningful winning, which in itself is not the problem. His character can survive without all the winning, but you have to make the losing meaningful in some way. Have John Cena actually doubt himself and change in some real way after coming face to face with Wyatt. Let his opponents legitimately question themselves the way they teased Cena doing in the Wyatt feud, but ultimately bailed on. Have Kane turn and join the Wyatts after his defeat at Summerslam. Really anything to prove that Wyatt has the reach and influence over people that he and the announcers claim he does. I say all this, not from a jaded wrestling place, but from the place of someone who had been anticipating Wyatt's debut to the main roster from his NXT days. I think most people that are critical of him feel similarly. He's very young and I have no doubt that in the long run he'll work the kinks out in his gimmick. However, that doesn't stop me from wanting to see it be more effective now when it really could be.

A top 5 talent....He is better on the mic and in the ring than 95% of the company. He is one of the only people that actually have a character, yet people complain. If he talked normally and just went by Windham Rotunda than nobody would be complaining. Reigns is about as generic and average as someone could possibly be with absolutely no character but he gets a ridiculous amount of love on every forum ive been on. It just doesnt make sense.

 

[21 and Bork]

A top 5 talent....He is better on the mic and in the ring than 95% of the company. He is one of the only people that actually have a character, yet people complain. If he talked normally and just went by Windham Rotunda than nobody would be complaining. Reigns is about as generic and average as someone could possibly be with absolutely no character but he gets a ridiculous amount of love on every forum ive been on. It just doesnt make sense.

See, that's where I thought you might lose me. There is no world in which he's better in the ring that 95% of their roster. What you say about his mic talent is true. He is legitimately that good a talker. However, that has not translated totally into his ring work. I get that he's never going to be a Rollins or Bryan or Punk or anything like that. His character demands a slower paced and more methodical match. Still, he has some catching up to do wrestling-wise compared to most of the roster.

Your "Windham Rotunda" example pretty much describes exactly what they did with his Husky Harris persona and everyone complained. I like Wyatt. I love his talent and potential. But, there are better ways of using him to make him more effective now and in the long run. I've never criticized Bray or his work, just the way he is used. I don't see any reason to get up in arms about a thing like that.

 

[whoopin' ass]

Wyatt is a perfect example of wwe being in love with an idea that isn't working. When Wyatt debuted, he was supposed to be this backwoods profit or cult leader or something - they never really clarified what. They have him a few wins to gain momentum then dropped the ball. There has been no character development at all and although he is supposed to be this evil force, his actions don't back it up. They attacked Kane, he came back and there is no mention of it. Bryan joined them and left in 2 weeks for brighter feuds. He lost to Cena repeated, Cena moved on to be champ and they leave him alone. And don't forget them and The Shield or the attempts to win the tag titles. wwe loves the idea of what Wyatt could be but is too scared to actually pull the trigger on it. Because of that, he comes off as a joke. Too many fans are doing the same and thinking how he could be the next Undertaker but they need to look at how he is being used right now - Taker won his first title by now, not losing every time it counts.

 

[boywithatoy]

That's not strictly true in this particular case.

http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2014/0203/569895/backstage-news-on-bray-wyatt-promos/

Granted, who knows what they mean by submitting for approval. The editing there could be quite rigorous.

I know from personal experience that Bray Wyatt has a big say in the creative input. He's not at the stage yet where he decides if he wins or not but in regards with coming up with ideas, promos and storylines, he has a lot of input.

For example, he specifically asked for his music to be played live at Wrestlemania - even choosing the band's outfits and the theme of the whole entrance. I know because I was the guitarist in that band and he was totally on our side the whole time. It took a few months to persuade the office but it happened in the end and that was all thanks to him so he does have a big say in the direction his character is going.

 

[Pay Per Ghost]

I know from personal experience that Bray Wyatt has a big say in the creative input. He's not at the stage yet where he decides if he wins or not but in regards with coming up with ideas, promos and storylines, he has a lot of input.

For example, he specifically asked for his music to be played live at Wrestlemania - even choosing the band's outfits and the theme of the whole entrance. I know because I was the guitarist in that band and he was totally on our side the whole time. It took a few months to persuade the office but it happened in the end and that was all thanks to him so he does have a big say in the direction his character is going.

And a bite!

So you are the guitarist for Mark Crozer and the Rels (? whatever)?

Or are you doing an attention seeking impression...



Well do I need to clarify what is on the first page. OK;

Bray is not doing anything worthy of his character. His angle with Kane lead to no where, with Bryan was too short, with Cena was Embrace The Hate 2.0 and now, he is speaking hoobadyy goobady about the world ending and "Jerry why u no save us", that is nonsensical crap.

Now it used to be cool nonsensical crap when he started because of his delivery. We are used to his delivery, now focus on some content. Say 'I'll make you pay Jericho' thats it...and then make him pay.

 

[boywithatoy]

And a bite!

So you are the guitarist for Mark Crozer and the Rels (? whatever)?

For that weekend I was, yes. There isn't actually a band. It's just Mark recording on his own and then he gets people to play live with him. Although we didn't actually play live - Mark sang live but the rest was a backing track.

Or are you doing an attention seeking impression...

Yeah, that as well!

Well do I need to clarify what is on the first page. OK;

Bray is not doing anything worthy of his character.

I was sort of agreeing with you. Except I wouldn't say "Bray is not doing anything worthy of his character", it's more like the ends of his feuds aren't worthy of his character. It's a bit like a tv series where it's really good but then it seems like the finale is written by someone else cos it's a let down.

 

[Fire Marshall Bill]

And a bite!

So you are the guitarist for Mark Crozer and the Rels (? whatever)?

Or are you doing an attention seeking impression...



Well do I need to clarify what is on the first page. OK;

Bray is not doing anything worthy of his character. His angle with Kane lead to no where, with Bryan was too short, with Cena was Embrace The Hate 2.0 and now, he is speaking hoobadyy goobady about the world ending and "Jerry why u no save us", that is nonsensical crap.

Now it used to be cool nonsensical crap when he started because of his delivery. We are used to his delivery, now focus on some content. Say 'I'll make you pay Jericho' thats it...and then make him pay.

Well with Jericho that might actually happen. If I recall correctly, Jericho is done after NOC. Considering that's the next PPV following SS, I wouldn't be surprised for their feud to end with him either receiving a severe beat down from them to write him off TV, or a career match of some sort.

 

[Pay Per Ghost]

His content and the conclusion/cause to his feuds are looking kinda moronic. He is good on the mic, lose the song though, but I feel he needs a nice long feud with someone where he gets pushed into a corner and actually says the whole high and dried wrestling lingo of 'I hate you and I wanna beat you'. Simple and effective at this point.

 

[Fire Marshall Bill]

His content and the conclusion/cause to his feuds are looking kinda moronic. He is good on the mic, lose the song though, but I feel he needs a nice long feud with someone where he gets pushed into a corner and actually says the whole high and dried wrestling lingo of 'I hate you and I wanna beat you'. Simple and effective at this point.

While I agree he should lose the song, this is the WWE. It's the same thing as any catchphrase. If it catches on, they'll run with it. I don't think it's fully replaced "follow the buzzard", but it's still another thing that's clearly over with the crowd.

 

[multiverseman.com]

I enjoy Bray's work, but at this point he needs to WIN.

It's not the be all/end all, but this man is no threat if he does no damage. If he lost all the time but really scarred his opponents, I'd be fine with it.

But Cena is fine. Kane is fine. Bryan wrecked him. Jericho beat him. He's not a threat.

 

[Pay Per Ghost]

While I agree he should lose the song, this is the WWE. It's the same thing as any catchphrase. If it catches on, they'll run with it. I don't think it's fully replaced "follow the buzzard", but it's still another thing that's clearly over with the crowd.

I don't at times trust this 2010s WWE and their incessant needs to attach everyone with something that the crowd can chant along with. They'll chant "Feed Me More" when Ryback does the shoulder gesture right after "Goooooooldberg". The crowd is having its fun but WWE trying to tap into that post the YES thing sometimes feels tacky.


Bray is great, love the guy; I wish he gets a good long personal feud with someone that will elevate his game. A fellow hotshot like Dean Ambrose mayhaps.