Both Mid-Card Champs Lost Again...

[MizFit Brocko]

Now, i could be looking to far into this, but on the draft show, they further buried the US and IC titles.

Sheamus lost to Kofi who has only just come from losing his IC title to Barrett and losing his rematch, then you have him beat Sheamus? Unless its the beginning of another push for Kofi (god i hope not...) then i don't see the point.

Then you have Mysterio beating Barrett.

I understand that the wins needed to happen for the draft picks and whatnot, but they could have surely found another way to do things, like having Sheamus win a match to get RAW the draft picks instead of having him lose to Kofi who won the battle royal earlier anyways.. Anything that wasn't your 2 mid card champs being beaten. Surely?

Since Miz and Dolph dropped the respective titles, no one even gives 2 craps about them anymore.

Again, probably looking to far into it, but do you think this just further shows that these titles, are heading for the path of the Divas and Tag Titles?

 

[barclayteo]

no one gives 2 craps anymore about the miz??

as for your thread sure i agree but its up to vkm to decide if thats what he wants thats what happens.

as for kofi he deserves a push the only reason he is as low in the totem pole as he is now is cause of the back stage polotics that randy orton played. he may not be the best on promos but he still is a great in ring competitor.

 

[ERorMACro]

Mid-card titles are largely forgotten..it's the usual sloppy, slap-dash booking that WWE does all the time...they ignore the US and IC titles until it's time for a title change, and they decide who''s in line for said title change..pretty randomly it seems

 

[RKORANDYORTON]

I mean the main reason was to just have 2 guys in a match to get their respected brand a draft pick. Now for Kofi........I thought he did an ecellent job fueding with randy orton. I think a Kofi world title run is just around the corner i mean who else is ahead of him on smackdown now that del rio is gone? (besides randy orton)

 

[MizFit Brocko]

no one gives 2 craps anymore about the miz??

as for your thread sure i agree but its up to vkm to decide if thats what he wants thats what happens.

as for kofi he deserves a push the only reason he is as low in the totem pole as he is now is cause of the back stage polotics that randy orton played. he may not be the best on promos but he still is a great in ring competitor.

What do you mean about the Miz?

I mean since Miz and Dolph dropped the US and IC Titles, they haven't bothered to book the US and IC champs to look strong. So, they don't give 2 craps about those titles, not Dolph and the Miz.

Yeah, i know its up to VKM to decide, but imagine if they built the titles up, had meaningful feuds for them and whatnot, it would give the guys on superstars, and up and comers, something to really strive for. Now obviously i don't mean to the level of WWE and WHC status, but they should be made to mean more than just a prop.

 

[mral82]

Uh dude Sheamus and Barrett have been on mini rolls lately. They lose 1 match and you are thinking that they are being forgotten but they're not. This usually happens at the dreft shows. Kofi needed the win more than Sheamus in that match and Rey rarelly loses any more just like Orton. And to RKOrandyorton Christian is ahead of both Kingston and Orton.

 

[Dagger Dias]

The United States and Intercontinental Championships lost their prestige long before Miz or Dolph held them. I'm not surprised by both midcard champs losing on Raw. However, it was less about having a midcard champion win and more about having the right show get a draft pick in that particular match. Sheamus getting a Raw win wouldn't matter as much as Raw picking up someone like Del Rio in such a pick. The same goes for Barrett picking up a win for Smackdown not being as important as Orton being picked for Smackdown. The losses by the midcard champions last night does not show that the titles are heading the way of the divas or tag team belts because the midcard belts still hold some meaning and aren't without importance. Yet.

 

[IrishCanadian25]

Valid points made here. And while yes, I agree the titles had lost their lustre prior to last night, there's no reason why the burial needed to continue. Bret Hart, Mr. Perfect, Shawn Michaels - they never would have lost major televised matches cleanly when they were IC champion.

This is also a BIG reason for the lack of Main Event star power. No tag team division, no real focus on the IC Title or US Title. Ergo, no newly minted main eventers. Randy Orton OWNED the Intercontinental Title and had solid programs with several opponents, including Mick Foley. Edge was a multiple time Tag Team and IC Champ. John Cena was US Champ. Triple H was IC Champ. Miz was Tag Team and US Champ. See the trend?

Big mistakes all around last night.

 

[FunKay the Inevitable]

Wait...what? Rey Mysterio is a bigger star than Wade Barrett and needed to win for his brand far more last night. Barrett wasn't buried/made to look weak at all and put in a decent performance against a former world champion. Expecting him to win would've been silly. Sheamus looked strong despite defeat last night with it taking two Trouble in Paradises to beat him. Plus it helps build Kofi's who has lost his way a little since losing the start of the year. Both men, despite losing looked strong in defeat.

 

[Heavens Vibe]

I found it quite entertaining, and the matches were of little interest to me, I watched for the drafts to be entertained, and I was.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Oh, my heavens. You mean two guys who havent been doing much lately who have belts that dont really matter lost in matches that none one probably remembered by the end of the night, let alone will remember them next week?

The horror, the horror.

Doesnt matter. At all. Both need to be built back up with dominant runs and proper fueds. Should be happening soon.

Fuck sake, Wade Barrett has won two straight, and was fighting a former world champ, and a legend in the buisness. Sheamus just HAD a dominant victory LAST WEEK.

You people get your panties wadded SO fucking fast over these damn mid card titles.

 

[jellmoo]

A random win by a guy on a different show isn't going to hurt either man. Barrett and Sheamus are two of my favorite superstars, and I don't think it hurt either man at all. If anything, it gives a bit of a feather in the cap of the winners. Rey Mysterio has been locked in a mid card feud for a while now, and a win over the IC champion reminds everyone that is a main event level player. Kofi hasn't been up to much, so this helps elevate him a bit as he had fallen.

Since neither champion was hurt by losing a one off match, the other guys were helped and the draft picks wound up where they needed to be, I'd say it worked fairly well all around.

 

[H33LTurn]

Rey Mysterio was a much more credible candidate to win that match. He and Wade are on completely different levels. I honeslty dont think that this loss is going to hurt Wade in any way. Heels usually lose in situations like this. You're making it seem as though it was a squash match. Barrett put up a good fight and the fact that he was able to hang in there with Rey Mysterio just proves that hes getting ready for bigger and better things on SD. I know hes the guy who scored a win against John Cena not long ago, but putting someone as new as him in a situation like that was wrong to begin with. Hes getting the right type of push on SD and I gotta say I agree with him losing last night. Smackdown has always built up superstars better imo. I agree that WWE needs to focus more on its midcard division, Tag Division, and needs to build more main eventers. I know its not a popular idea but one solution I would suggest is going back to having single branded PPVs. Single branded PPV allowed brands to develop their rivalries, both title and non title ones. The midcard talent would battle it out to get to that #1 contender spot and guys who needed that PPV/on-camera got it. It feels like the PPVs are crowded now, and theres no space for things like backstage segments, #1 contender matches, and grudge matches that are needed to develop talent. I know this would mean that after its respective PPV, one brand would have to wait two months before its next PPV. Its not completely negative to wait 2 months for a PPV, it gives rivalries time to expand instead of being rushed like they currently are.

 

[Tors Hall Rule]

Look gone are the days when you used to have might battles for the IC Title and Cena used to carry the Spinner Belt for the US title.. These two belts mean not much anymore. Hell, Miz's title reign is turning out to be one of the longest in recent memories.. So having your IC and US Champs lose anymore doesnt make much of a difference now..

However as an above poster pointed out it helps the winner of the match by some amount.. Not much, but some..

Moreover I would also like to point out the fact that a loss on your brand that results in a storyline or a loss in a storyline is what may or does hurt a star.. An Inter-Brand match between two guys who have seemingly no recent history, and the result being inconsequential in respect to the star that gets drafted, the loss again doesnt count.. But yes, I do agree with the OP, the value of these titles have been tarnished.. If nothing else I would like a ME guy pick up one of these titles and take it back to attention..

 

[Rammsteinerteen]

Since Miz dropped the title? Don't make me laugh, Daniel Bryan's reign was way better than Miz's reign.

Again, probably looking to far into it, but do you think this just further shows that these titles, are heading for the path of the Divas and Tag Titles?

These titles have been down the same path for the past six years, I'm sure there will be hits and there will be misses with these titles, but as for Sheamus vs Kofi Kingston, it showed that Sheamus is nothing but a mid carder where he should be. And also, Wade Barrett lost to a veteran, are you actually complaining about that?

 

[CuddleBuns84]

Like as I said previously. Like many have said previously.


What's killing the IC and the US belt isn't so much booking, but the concept of money in the bank. With Money in the Bank being pushed more and more by the WWE, the titles get more buried.

Everyone who has won the MITB, has gotten world title reigns. So, when someone get's the MITB, the WWE puts more focus on that person. For example, The Miz, Edge, CM Punk, even RVD.

If they could swipe that concept out, or change it, to where the winner of the match get's a shot at SummerSlam, you wouldn't have such a long focus on the MITB winner.

That way, they can start promoting those mid-card titles.

Last but not least. In the old WCW days, when someone won that US championship, they at times were considered the number one contender after a certain time period of winning the belt.

If WWE could add a stipulation to where, after 120 days of holding the IC or US title, the Person holding it, would be granted a shot at the world title, could get more exposure for the belts.

Just my opinion. But I think they would help the company out.

 

[Wade's Public Transit Bomb]

With the Sheamus thing, they needed to give Kofi a little face. I mean, he is still fairly popular and hasn't won one on one in months it seems.

With Wade, that IC belt is treated with a lot more importance on SD. Whoever was facing him from Raw needed someone with some credibility to make it seem like a big deal. However, who didn't predict Rey would win? Never mind the whole draft pick thing, Rey has already lost once this month; You can't have the ultimate underdog jobbing again.. Especially on TV verses a guy still in development.

 

[Rampage Bentley]

Valid points made here. And while yes, I agree the titles had lost their lustre prior to last night, there's no reason why the burial needed to continue. Bret Hart, Mr. Perfect, Shawn Michaels - they never would have lost major televised matches cleanly when they were IC champion. This is also a BIG reason for the lack of Main Event star power. No tag team division, no real focus on the IC Title or US Title. Ergo, no newly minted main eventers. Randy Orton OWNED the Intercontinental Title and had solid programs with several opponents, including Mick Foley. Edge was a multiple time Tag Team and IC Champ. John Cena was US Champ. Triple H was IC Champ. Miz was Tag Team and US Champ. See the trend?

Big mistakes all around last night.

That's very true, Hart, Perfect, and Michaels wouldn't have lost when they were IC champ, but at the same time when those guys were IC champ, you never saw two major guys fight on a televised program. They fought nobodies. Guys who didn't have contracts, so of course they wouldn't have lost.

People talk about how the titles have lost prestige, it's because anonymous jobbers are a thing of the past and there's now a hierarchy of the major talent. Upper card guys trump midcard titles, when back in the day they never would have fought.

 

[MizFit Brocko]

Since Miz dropped the title? Don't make me laugh, Daniel Bryan's reign was way better than Miz's reign.

Again, probably looking to far into it, but do you think this just further shows that these titles, are heading for the path of the Divas and Tag Titles?

These titles have been down the same path for the past six years, I'm sure there will be hits and there will be misses with these titles, but as for Sheamus vs Kofi Kingston, it showed that Sheamus is nothing but a mid carder where he should be. And also, Wade Barrett lost to a veteran, are you actually complaining about that?

No, Mysterio should obviously beat Barrett. What i was getting at is them having Barrett face Mysterio in the first place. Surely they could have had Barrett go over someone and get a draft pick for Smackdown.

 

[xsKiitz]

I didn't have too big a problem with Rey beating Barrett, nor with Kofi beating Sheamus.

My BIG problem was Kofi fucking SQUASHED Sheamus. I can confirm that he beat Sheamus in a bit over 2 minutes. Really? What the hell was the point in Sheamus being squashed? I mean, he was on a longass losing streak, defended his career and won the US title against Bryan (which is his only plus), and got forgotten about at Mania. Now he's getting destroyed by Kofi, someone who is stale as anything at the moment and has nothing going for him.

I just can't wrap my head around that. Why on earth are they trying to bury their champion? If they think Sheamus is thaat undeserving then just take the belt from him and send him somewhere else, because he sure as hell isn't getting the respect he deserves, especially as a champion. Also, by him getting squashed in 2 minutes by a nobody, this just weakens the prestige even more of the already-battered US title.

The 'E are going in the COMPLETELY wrong direction with Sheamus..

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[MizFit Brocko]

I didn't have too big a problem with Rey beating Barrett, nor with Kofi beating Sheamus.

My BIG problem was Kofi fucking SQUASHED Sheamus. I can confirm that he beat Sheamus in a bit over 2 minutes. Really? What the hell was the point in Sheamus being squashed? I mean, he was on a longass losing streak, defended his career and won the US title against Bryan (which is his only plus), and got forgotten about at Mania. Now he's getting destroyed by Kofi, someone who is stale as anything at the moment and has nothing going for him.

I just can't wrap my head around that. Why on earth are they trying to bury their champion? If they think Sheamus is thaat undeserving then just take the belt from him and send him somewhere else, because he sure as hell isn't getting the respect he deserves, especially as a champion. Also, by him getting squashed in 2 minutes by a nobody, this just weakens the prestige even more of the already-battered US title.

The 'E are going in the COMPLETELY wrong direction with Sheamus..

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Yeah agreed. My issue isn't with who beat who. I can see why Rey beat Barrett, and Kofi beat Sheamus, but Barrett and Sheamus are the champions. The match like you said only went for 2 mins anyways, how about Sheamus beating JTG or something in a squash match that only lasts 1 minute, this at least keeps the champion looking strong, and then have Kofi face someone else from RAW. This way each match can be worth 1 pick instead of having other matches be worth 2 draft picks.

This probably doesn't happen due to time constraints, but i just feel they could be doing a lot more to make the mid card champions seem credible.

 

[jellmoo]

I didn't have too big a problem with Rey beating Barrett, nor with Kofi beating Sheamus.

My BIG problem was Kofi fucking SQUASHED Sheamus. I can confirm that he beat Sheamus in a bit over 2 minutes. Really? What the hell was the point in Sheamus being squashed? I mean, he was on a longass losing streak, defended his career and won the US title against Bryan (which is his only plus), and got forgotten about at Mania. Now he's getting destroyed by Kofi, someone who is stale as anything at the moment and has nothing going for him.

I just can't wrap my head around that. Why on earth are they trying to bury their champion? If they think Sheamus is thaat undeserving then just take the belt from him and send him somewhere else, because he sure as hell isn't getting the respect he deserves, especially as a champion. Also, by him getting squashed in 2 minutes by a nobody, this just weakens the prestige even more of the already-battered US title.

The 'E are going in the COMPLETELY wrong direction with Sheamus..

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I disagree. Yes, it was a short match, but it wasn't booked as a squash. It was a fairly even match running through and then Sheamus missed with the Brough Kick. It took Kofi Kingston two nailings of Trouble in Paradise to pick up the win. To me it look like somebody capitalized on a mistake, and the other guy was so tough it took two finishers to keep him down.

It's too bad that both men wound up switching brands. I think that a good feud between the two could have been fun.

 

[xcoN]

Sheamus loses to Kofi, Barrett loses to Rey, Orton defeats Ziggler...did you expect them to put them over? I mean it is Rey and Orton we're talking about here. For those who say Cena and Orton make those guys look good, is fail. Ziggler makes himself look good, Barrett is getting a bit better, and Sheamus is solid. Just because they lose doesn't mean they are done, careers over but when they are going up against those guys it's obvious they won't win.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

Jesus H. Christ, Sheamus & Barrett both lose one match and they're being buried????

Ok let's examine Sheamus & Barrett over the past month or so. Sheamus defeats Daniel Bryan for the United States Championship and has successfully defended the title against him twice I think. Just after winning the title, Sheamus has a champ vs. champ match against Kofi Kingston when Kofi was still the IC champ on SD!. That match against Kofi, just like every match Sheamus had against him, ended up a victory for Sheamus. Last night's win over Sheamus is the first ray of light Kofi has had in a couple of months. Kofi has been the one that's been buried over the course of the last little while and needed a win last night more than Sheamus.

As for Wade Barrett, Barrett has defended the title against Kofi successfully on two occassions and he was facing a former 2 time World Champion in Rey Mysterio last night. At this time a month or so ago, Mysterio was one of the top contenders for the WHC.

Last night's matches generally meant nothing. Everything that happened last night was all just about the WWE Draft. Most of the matches will have no lasting bearing on what happens in the WWE with either of the mid-card titles.