Are instrumentals or songs with lyrics better and why?

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This is a debate between me and Shadowmancer but feel free to join in.

Some songs have lyrics, while others do not and are referred to as instrumentals. Some might argue that the lyrics are the most important part of a song, while others might disagree thinking that they are just the icing on the cake. So which do you prefer, instrumentals or songs with lyrics? Why is that your preference?

I prefer instrumentals because they have a better chance of providing you with a larger and more special mental image when you listen to them. With a lyrical song you are more likely to think about what the artist sings/raps about, whereas with an instrumental you can think about anything that the music itself brings to your mind.
 
simply put are they as a whole better? No they aren't it is a simple case of is there a great instrumental, yes there is. There are a large number of brilliant Instrumentals out there, the one that comes to mind first is Orion by Metallica. Brilliant song, but is it their best piece of music? no not really I would put Fade to black over it due to the lyrics being involved.

But then you get into other genres of music like Jazz where some of the best in the world didn't need vocalists, case in point Miles Davis, Herbie Hancock and John Coltrane. Brilliant musicians that let their instruments sing the lyrics that were within the song.

Some of the music that exists out there that is considered good music is classical, not just operatic stuff from Mozart, but pieces of music like Vivaldi's Four Seasons, Edvard Grieg's "In the Hall of the Mountain King".

However lyrics and vocals are done best when they are effectively another layer on top of a brilliantly composed piece of music. Wish You Were Here by Pink Floyd is a good case for this. To go into another Genre of music Amon Amarth with "Cry of the Black Birds" the gutteral growling singing of Johann Hegg is another layer on top as well as mixing into the music as an additional instrument.

A good lyricist paints images within a mind that is different for everyone, I have been listening to my iPod on the bus and the story that is involved is played out in my minds eye to such detail.

Really I feel that music should have lyrics that can be added to a well crafted piece of music, The music should be able to stand on its own, but lyrics are just as important if not more so when it comes to certain Genres of music.
 
simply put are they as a whole better? No they aren't it is a simple case of is there a great instrumental, yes there is. There are a large number of brilliant Instrumentals out there, the one that comes to mind first is Orion by Metallica. Brilliant song, but is it their best piece of music? no not really I would put Fade to black over it due to the lyrics being involved.

You're right about Fade to Black being the better song compared to Orion.... but I must say that I would have preferred an instrumental version of Fade to Black. It's an amazing song, but I find that to be the case because of the guitar work done in the song, rather than it's lyrics.

But then you get into other genres of music like Jazz where some of the best in the world didn't need vocalists, case in point Miles Davis, Herbie Hancock and John Coltrane. Brilliant musicians that let their instruments sing the lyrics that were within the song.

I'm actually not that familiar with these guys, but I've heard their names many times. I'll have to look up some of their stuff, especially the instrumentals.

Some of the music that exists out there that is considered good music is classical, not just operatic stuff from Mozart, but pieces of music like Vivaldi's Four Seasons, Edvard Grieg's "In the Hall of the Mountain King".

Yeah stuff like that is really cool in the sense that you can come up with virtually any mental image that you please when you listen to it. The possibilities are endless. This is why I prefer instrumentals. While one is playing I can just lie down, close my eyes, and make my own music videos in my head. That was one of my favorite things to do when I was younger.

However lyrics and vocals are done best when they are effectively another layer on top of a brilliantly composed piece of music. Wish You Were Here by Pink Floyd is a good case for this. To go into another Genre of music Amon Amarth with "Cry of the Black Birds" the gutteral growling singing of Johann Hegg is another layer on top as well as mixing into the music as an additional instrument.

That's the thing though, they are adding another layer to the song. Often I find myself hearing songs I like and wishing I could know what an instrumental version of it would sound like, where the artist(s) rely on nothing but sound to invoke absolutely anything into your mind as you listen.

A good lyricist paints images within a mind that is different for everyone, I have been listening to my iPod on the bus and the story that is involved is played out in my minds eye to such detail.

Hmmm, I didn't think of that. Different people could hear lyrical songs and think about entirely different things if the lyrics are written well enough. Still though, I find it far easier to find a larger variety of interesting things to think about when there are no lyrics, and often that makes it enjoyable to listen to the song. An instrumental could bring a myriad of things into mind, that many lyrical songs cannot.

Really I feel that music should have lyrics that can be added to a well crafted piece of music, The music should be able to stand on its own, but lyrics are just as important if not more so when it comes to certain Genres of music.

It isn't just in classical genres though, I find guitar instrumentals and techno beats to often be on par with many of the hit singles that come out nowadays. You make a valid argument, but I still find instrumentals superior because they are the song at its core level whereas the lyrics are "the tip of the iceberg".
 
Do you know what he fist instrument that man became familiar with? It was the voice. A vocal performance is in and of itself an instrumental, not in the sense of the what has now become the traditional way of looking at music as a set of string based things and a drum type thing. A choir or a Barbershop Quartet is a case of voice and lyrics are the things that stand out rather than the technical proficiency of the people using external instrumentation.

But then again the way that this thread is going it is going to turn into a case of this is my opinion.
 
Do you know what he fist instrument that man became familiar with? It was the voice. A vocal performance is in and of itself an instrumental, not in the sense of the what has now become the traditional way of looking at music as a set of string based things and a drum type thing. A choir or a Barbershop Quartet is a case of voice and lyrics are the things that stand out rather than the technical proficiency of the people using external instrumentation.

Interesting facts, I didn't know that. There are enough modern instruments now though that could produce better background sound than the humming and other musical sounds made by of supporting members of choirs or barbershop quartets. Lyrics can stand out more, but some people prefer music without them.


But then again the way that this thread is going it is going to turn into a case of this is my opinion.

You're right that this is beginning to turn into a case of opinions. I'll go into a little more detail on the "why" rather than my opinion itself since you already know I prefer instrumentals.

As a game designer, I happen to like the genre of game soundtracks more than the average person does. All of those are considered "background noise" to go along with the moments and locations of the games to help emphasize what's going on.

Now.... since I am so familiar with the theme music from game soundtracks, it over the years (as well as many "real music" instrumentals too) have made me view nearly all music as background themes as well. I don't listen as much to lyrics because I listen to songs for a couple of other reasons.

1. Nostalgia.
Just by playing certain songs, it is like opening a mental time capsule because countless memories come back to mind just from hearing the song.

2. Thinking about situations the song would fit with
What kinds of scenes in movies it would work for.... perhaps a wrestler's entrance theme.... maybe even where they would fit into the games I design.... I like to think of what kinds of situations that songs can fit to be used for, something that pops into my head for nearly every song I listen to.

I find it easier to do both of those two things when listening to instrumentals rather than with lyrical songs, and that's a big part of why I prefer instrumental songs.
 
The mental time capsule thing works for lyrical music as well. I can't say how many times that someone has said even a fraction of a lyric and I recall the song. As well as times that there has been music running in my head and not in real life, and mainly this is the lyrics.

Now having gotten into the game aspect there is one that sticks out to my mind off the top of my head as a vocal lyrical song and that is in Final Fantasy VIII when they are fighting Edea.(It may be slightly different than that because I haven't played VIII in a while) The vocals provide the dissonance to give the idea of they are fighting something that is not completely natural.
 
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The mental time capsule thing works for lyrical music as well. I can't say how many times that someone has said even a fraction of a lyric and I recall the song. As well as times that there has been music running in my head and not in real life, and mainly this is the lyrics.

True.... perhaps that comes down to one's own opinion once again. There are some lyrical songs that I can think of where the exact same scenario you just described happens for me as well. Still though, I become more attached to the music rather than the lyrics even if I have the lyrics to a particular song memorized.

Now having gotten into the game aspect there is one that sticks out to my mind off the top of my head as a vocal lyrical song and that is in Final Fantasy VIII when they are fighting Edea.(It may be slightly different than that because I haven't played VIII in a while) The vocals provide the dissonance to give the idea of they are fighting something that is not completely natural.

The one where you actually fight Edea is "Premonition", an instrumental, (which is an incredible song as well), but I think you meant "fithos lusec wecos vinosec". That song plays during a lot of scenes in the game and it's powerful lyrics roughly deal with the succession of witches although it does not truly translate into anything in english. If you meant that one, then yes I agree that those words being repeated constantly in those voices adds intimidation to those scenes in ways that some instrumentals can't. However, "Premonition" sounds intimidating as well, possibly more.... even though it is instrumental. There are several themes from fights against important villains in countless games where the song is intimidating sounding enough that the addition of lyrics would do more harm than help, other than rare exceptions like "One Winged Angel".
 
Well sometimes the singer can ruin a song with good music. I was watching the Clash of the Titans trailer (remake) and I was really getting into the instrumental song, then I found out there was a proper version and what the song was called, (The Bird and the Worm by The Used) and when I started listening to it, and was put off by the singers voice as I found it whiny and I felt he was trying to hard. However some songs are saved by the singer when the song has bad music as well.
 

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