Anyone else sick of Gail Kim not being used properly?

[ErictheEnt]

*slams my head on my desk*

Is anyone else getting fed up with WWE jobbing the living hell out of her? She's EASILY the most talented in ring wrestler they have. She was getting plenty of pops when she came in and they keep making her get pinned after a single move. She got eliminated sooooo early in the Survivor Series match; she was on a role and then ONE MOVE bam! She's gone.

Oh, and is it me or does Michelle McCool and Melina (who I love), have the two dumbest finishers ever? They're flashy but a 5 year old could kick out of those moves in real life.

Back to Gail, I'm tired of her losing all the time. Am I alone? I assume this is Vince's, "We're punishing you even though you came here first and then WE let you go and you went and were successful somewhere else, so we have to make you job to OUR divas!"

 

[m1k3b14z3]

Yeah well that's a typical Vince move. Hell I'm amazed Christian is ECW champ but that's another thread for another time.

But you are right. They could do more with Gail Kim considering that the women's division or diva's division (w/e you want to call it) is thin. But hey, Vince would rather have a pretty face over a good female wrestler.

 

[BladeRunner]

A lot of people like to say that some WWE wrestlers going to TNA would "destroy their legacy".

Well I'd just like to say that Gail Kim going to WWE is destroying her legacy, by them not appreciating her abilities and making her into a nobody, when she was a top star in the TNA brand.

She wasn't just some jobber, she was the top tier of women's wrestling in TNA, and look at her now. That money she's making better be worth losing all of the "over-ness" she's built up over the last few years.

 

[Mark0820]

I hate to say this, but Gail Kim may not care. She may not get title runs or be the focus of the division, but when she retires she'll be reasonably well off. She may not be able to retire completely off of it, but if she's 40ish and has a few million in the bank I'm sure she'll be happy with her career. Not many have won both the WWE and TNA women's title. Depending on how long TNA lasts, that may wind up being quite the accomplishment.

 

[Viola Moonlight]

I believe that this is the common policy that most "WWE to some other company like TNA to WWE again" wrestlers have to endure for some unknown reason. It seems as if it is almost an initiation process that talent must go through to see if Vince and WWE can see if you are legit about staying with the company and performing to peak levels other than money. Yes, some use of stars can tend to be questionable, but it is the best and effective method for finding out the passion and determination of their talents. Women are not immune to this rule.

As I see it, they did let Gail Kim go through this process for the first few weeks when she returned and was what some may call being "buried." They then gave her a chance against Mickie James for what could have been the best feud since Trish/Mickie (as it would have been the best that TNA had to offer against the best that WWE had to offer), but look what happened there. Though outside factors were in play, upper management saw that Kim was not ready to be the top dog in the E and used someone else like Mickie and now Melina to cover that spot (much like Dreamer is acting second fiddle to Christian in the same regard).

I think the WWE are relying on proven workers like Melina to hold the top spots. Gail Kim wasn't the greatest thing to emerge during her first stint, and considering her efforts thus far not being as expected, why thrust her into the main scene? Don't get me wrong, her in-ring talents is something refreshing in the E and I enjoy the match better when she steps through the ropes... but she needs to work on other factors like establishing more crowd connections, performing like a veteran (as she is the oldest active women's wrestler in the E) by perfecting her moves without botches and helping those like Eve and Alicia that may not be well versed in the wrestling department.

She may not be used like she was in TNA, but she is doing just fine at the moment. With the recent trade, Gail Kim will have a better chance to shine as the only real wrestler other than Melina (and possibly Katie Lea if she is moved as an active wrestler) on the RAW roster. Let's give this a few months and will can truly judge from there. If she still isn't being utilised on a roster, then something must be wrong with the WWE management not to use Kim properly. All I can say is Thank God she wasn't placed on SmackDown with all the talent they have.

 

[IrishCanadian25]

I really wonder exactly WHAT the thread starter has been watching that has made him think that Gail Kim is anywhere near the best women's wrestler in the WWE. She's really not even in the top 6. She's a female spot monkey who blows half her spots and takes stupid risks with opponents who Gail should know damn well aren't experienced enough to accurately protect her and sell the move. If she was future endeavored tomorrow it wouldn't be a day too soon, but there is so little depth in the women's divisions (since they are split, you see) that they sort of need to keep her around.

 

[WhyTravisFelt]

It's a little frustrating and I don't think Gail Kim being "okay with it" is really the point. Vince MacMahon should be more concerned with putting out a good product than his TNA bias and like the OP said, they're the ones who let go of her in the first place, what the eff was she supposed to do?

Let's face it, the WWE divas matches are, by and large, horrendous botch-fests. The fact that we talk about Mickie James and Melina being the "top tier" is fucking pathetic, especially when you consider that on the other end TNA has Hamada (doing moonsaults through tables), Tara (Victoria), ODB, Awesome Kong, Daffney etc. My mind is still blown that WWE got rid of the cruiserweight title and now has two women's titles, but that's a tangent.

Gail Kim had that title shot a little bit back against Mickie James and the match was absolutely awful, so I can understand WWE being gunshy, but honestly, who in the WWE can you really expect Gail Kim to "wrestle" against. You know a match that isn't just hair-pulling, sloppy arm-drags, and cartwheels. The only reasonably decent feud I can think of would be Gail Kim vs. Michele Mccool, and I mean that's it, for the entire wwe women's division. The other eye candy girls should just go back to being valets to real wrestlers.

 

[TellMeWhy]

No, I don't feel sorry for her one bit. She's getting exactly what she deserves for leaving such a high spot where she was the pedestal of the best women's division in wrestling. She should've known that WWE was politics heaven and that WWE only took her back because of what she accomplished in TNA. This is the dumbest career move ever! You don't always do things for money. You do what's beneficial for you and your legacy because if your legacy is intact, then you'll also have a future of making money in your future as well.

What WWE is doing is kind of smart and WWE have used tactics like this for awhile. They took TNA's top female wrestler and is now making her look like a nobody on WWE programming and have her looking insignificant in the division. That instantly shows that the WWE divas are superior to the TNA knockouts and the casual viewer would genuinely fall for that when they see the woman who once beat Kong lose to Alicia Fox in 3-4 minutes. TNA's top female can't catch a break in WWE so to the casual fan this may make them think that the KOs are a joke which is probably what the WWE wanted to accomplish by bringing Gail over.

 

[ErictheEnt]

I really wonder exactly WHAT the thread starter has been watching that has made him think that Gail Kim is anywhere near the best women's wrestler in the WWE. She's really not even in the top 6. She's a female spot monkey who blows half her spots and takes stupid risks with opponents who Gail should know damn well aren't experienced enough to accurately protect her and sell the move. If she was future endeavored tomorrow it wouldn't be a day too soon, but there is so little depth in the women's divisions (since they are split, you see) that they sort of need to keep her around.

I've been watching wrestling on a weekly basis for over 15 years now and I've watched most quasi-major federations.

Now I need to make this clear; NONE of the female wrestlers in the WWE are really that good. I've seen almost none of them work what I would call a solid match. I saw Gail Kim work SEVERAL really good matches in TNA. You give her crap for trying spots with women who aren't ready to deal with them ... but that right there should tell you she's way beyond them in ability to work a match. She has to lower herself to their level and she's not the best wrestler on the roster? The only one who can half compete with her that I've seen is probably Michelle McCool (who I can't stand, by the way, but that's for another day).

On the topic of the Mickey vs. Gail match from several weeks back ... I have to say that it was a pretty awful match. Spots were missed all over the place. Now these two women had never wrestled each other before that. That's not a good excuse for how poor that match was but I wouldn't be surprised if Mickie was either asked to screw up the spots (to bury Gail) or did it so some of her backstage girlfriends didn't lose their spot to her. What probably happened was the two girls just had a real bad night. Still, one bad match is no reason to bury someone as Mickie wasn't buried because of it and I'm sorry the bad match was just as much her fault.

 

[RayneJames81]

I love Gail Kim and the lady is very talented and misused as well. But honestly, most of the talented WWE women are in the same boat. Vince likes pretty ladies, I am sure he gives a crap if they can wrestle or not. Now some can and are used great, Mickie, Beth, Michelle, Melina. But others: Gail, Jillian, Natalya, or Katie Lea are never used to the full extent of their abilities and talents. I dont watch TNA but from what it seems like Gail was a bigger star there, why'd she leave? Maybe the money or maybe because she just wanted to. I hope that Gail gets her time to shine on Raw, and here is to hoping the ladies get the respect they deserve some day!

 

[IrishCanadian25]

You give her crap for trying spots with women who aren't ready to deal with them ... but that right there should tell you she's way beyond them in ability to work a match. She has to lower herself to their level and she's not the best wrestler on the roster?

This statement alone says two things to me:

1. That I am right about Gail Kim and her sub-par credentials, and
2. That, despite experience, you don't have a great grasp on pro wrestling.

Now PLEASE don't take that as an insult. It's merely conjecture on my part right now, and I don't want to judge you after reading only 2 posts. You also seem intelligent, so I want to see more about what you think on this topic. But let me dive in deeper.

You claim that Gail Kim trying moves and spots on women who are not ready is an assertion of her overwhelming talent and dominance, not her inability to perform. But this is professional wrestling, and the idea is to have a solid, believable match. As a veteran in the ring, it's not Gail Kim's job to make her opponent look foolish and in the process put on a mess of blown high spots. It's her job to know her competitor and make her "opponent" look as good as she makes herself look. That includes NOT attempting moves on opponents who cannot protect Gail, themselves, or the integrity of the illusion. When Gail goes for a moonsault, barely hits it becase the opponent wasn't sure where to be or how to catch her, and the result is a grazing blow, it looks ridiculous. When the same opponent oversells it and Gail covers her for a three-count, it eviscerates the integrity of the match and destroys the willing suspension of disbelief. It also means that Gail is placing herself as well as her opponent in danger.

Bret Hart, arguably the greatest in-ring performer in history, never performed a move on an opponent if they weren't ready for it and confident they'd be able to make it look great. The result? Bret made every opponent he ever faced look like GOLD. It's the same quality that Hulk Hogan had that made us believe King Kong Bundy may have been able to defeat him at Wrestlemania 2. It's a condition of selflessness and the belief that the most important this is to have a great match and make the fans believe there's depth in the competition.

It's a quality Ms. Kim sorely lacks.

 

[AMH]

I don't think this is a Vince trying to bury the TNA Knockout division by making her look bad situation. Because they did give her a chance versus Micki which, like many of you have said, was awful. I saw the match myself and it was truly a letdown. I was actually pretty excited beforehand but after....But, if anything, she needs to be re-packaged. She needs a heel turn. Once that's done, she'll be unstoppable. Because she is the best Diva in the WWE. Even, and I'm sorry to say this, better than Micki. She'll be on the top of the Divas division. Just give it time. Curb the conspiracy theories.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

If Gail Kim was producing matches half as good as she was in TNA or could get people at WWE shows to care about her, then maybe I'd agree with the thread starter. But she can't. Probably because she benefited greatly from working with a large female like Kong and in the iMPACT Zone where they react to everything.

 

[Kenny Powers]

I would just like to see Gail Kim used in some sort of capacity. Instead of seeing her as a valet or dancing with ZZ Top. WWE has two diva feuds going on with McCool/Mickie and Melina/Alicia Fox. Since there isn't any real diva heels anyone gives a crap about except maybe McCool. WWE should try to turn Gail heel and see where it goes. She doesn't have to be in the main event, she could be feuding with Kate Burchill or Kelly Kelly for all I care.

She may not be the greatest "wrestler", due to her style, but she deserves to be in a program with somebody. I would rather see that then the god awful Bella Twins hog up the screen every night. Having more than 1 Diva's feud on Raw is better then having nothing but battle royals and six diva tags.

 

[Bud78]

I think the thing that most people need to remember is that no one cares about women's wrestling, there I said it. They don't draw, no one cares, their matches are used as piss breaks, there I said it again. TNA is always shoving there knockouts down our throats like legitimate wrestlers, they are not, they are women and no one cares. I love women and I love them involved but the fact is they don't bring in money. They don't sell advertising, merch, or ppv's. Gail Kim is the epitome of this, sure she is a good wrestler, but she has not connection with the fans, no one cares when she wrestles, and there are other Diva's that are more over than her. I think it is sad that we even have forum homes for topics relating to the women's division, it has never mattered and it never will, put the belt back on Stephanie McMahon, thats the only time the women's title ever drew, maybe Trish.

 

[TellMeWhy]

I think the thing that most people need to remember is that no one cares about women's wrestling, there I said it. They don't draw, no one cares, there matches are used as piss breaks, there I said it again.

Lol at no one cares for women wrestlers. Speak for yourself. The TNA Knockouts were once the highest weekly draw for TNA in 2008 and for some of this year in 2009. Do your research before you speak on this subject again.

 

[RayneJames81]

I agree, Speak for yourself. I dont think the womens division gets any sorta credit or real lengthy story lines to prove their selves. And I am one fan who really enjoys the womens division in the WWE and watches it for many reasons but that and Miss Mickie James is ONE of the hugest reasons I watch. I would love to see Gail Kim, Natalya, Katie Lea, and Jillian Hall all in the spotlight as they are all women who can truely kick some butt, yet arent showcased well. Jillian may have ring rust to some, yet if never given an oppportunity to wrestle, isnt that expected lol? Katie Lea is never showcased wrestling yet she can wrestle, and proof is her teaming with Mickie when they were just in Europe and her winning that match against Beth and McCool, pinning beth. And Natalya=Hart Dynasty, enough said.

Gail rocks, former womens champ, and can wrestle in the ring. These ladies are awesome! Whether I hate their character or love em, they all work their asses off to be on the step of the ladder they sadly are. This fan and devoted WWE fan for the past 13 years hopes the Divas division will get the TRUE credit someday that it deserves.

 

[Bud78]

Lol at no one cares for women wrestlers. Speak for yourself. The TNA Knockouts were once the highest weekly draw for TNA in 2008 and for some of this year in 2009. Do your research before you speak on this subject again.

Highest rated segment on TNA, that's like being the smartest ******. Do your research, are they selling ppvs, no, are they drawing legitimate tv ratings, no, have women ever drawn anything ever, no.

 

[SuperKnockout]

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I really wonder exactly WHAT the thread starter has been watching that has made him think that Gail Kim is anywhere near the best women's wrestler in the WWE. She's really not even in the top 6. She's a female spot monkey who blows half her spots and takes stupid risks with opponents who Gail should know damn well aren't experienced enough to accurately protect her and sell the move. If she was future endeavored tomorrow it wouldn't be a day too soon, but there is so little depth in the women's divisions (since they are split, you see) that they sort of need to keep her around...

WHAT THE FREAK!!! Gail kim has proven herself time after time again. She won the title on her debuet. she deserves a shot at maryse again. Melina has a shot at Maryse probally since what happened at raw. But that is what gail deserves. a title shot

 

[Jack-Hammer]

Not really. Anybody that's a serious fan of women's wrestling isn't going to be too happy with the WWE Divas. However, that's nothing new as the WWE hasn't had anything approaching a serious women's division for a very long time.

First and foremost, the Divas are primarily eye candy. Vince McMahon knows that women's wrestling has never been a big deal among United States audiences and figures that there's no need to have a real women's division since the payoff in the end won't be worth it. On one hand, he's right. Women's wrestling has never been a huge draw with American fans. Personally, however, I'd rather he did have something of a more serious division because otherwise, for the most part, the Divas take up precious air time that could be devoted to something more important. Half the Divas roster are pretty talented wrestlers and they know that their talent is probably being wasted. However, they make pretty good money in the WWE.

When Gail Kim left TNA, she stated outright that she was going to the WWE for financial reasons. She knew quite well what she was getting herself into when she left the TNA Knockout Division to be a WWE Diva. So, right now, it's really a non-issue. The Divas coul disappear next week altogether and I wouldn't have any real problem with it.

 

[Freddy4190]

I think Vince is testing her loyalties. He put the Women's Championship on her in her debut match. She then proceeded to hop ship to TNA. He's wanting to see if she REALLY wants to stay with the WWE. If she does, she'll endure jobbing to other talent, being humiliated, etc. Gail Kim really doesn't do that much for me anymore. She's talented, but she's boring. I just find her incredibly stale and it's like.. not even caring about her matches.

 

[SuperKnockout]

I think Vince is testing her loyalties. He put the Women's Championship on her in her debut match. She then proceeded to hop ship to TNA. He's wanting to see if she REALLY wants to stay with the WWE. If she does, she'll endure jobbing to other talent, being humiliated, etc. Gail Kim really doesn't do that much for me anymore. She's talented, but she's boring. I just find her incredibly stale and it's like.. not even caring about her matches.

OK, I totally disagree. Gail Kim is a little rusty, but only since she hasn't even gotten in a title picture, or a big rivalry, she gotta be happy with what she gets. If she gets the title, she just may be the next Women's champ. That can boost her charisma, and image for the fans. Or maybe the respect her fans and other WWE Divas give her. for that to change, she has to prove herself.

 

[Freddy4190]

OK, I totally disagree. Gail Kim is a little rusty, but only since she hasn't even gotten in a title picture, or a big rivalry, she gotta be happy with what she gets. If she gets the title, she just may be the next Women's champ. That can boost her charisma, and image for the fans. Or maybe the respect her fans and other WWE Divas give her. for that to change, she has to prove herself.

Giving her the title wouldn't change how boring I think she is. Ask Michelle McCool, a strap doesn't make you more interesting. There's not alot of big rivalry's to be had in the Women's Division. She hasn't really done anything. That's not all her fault of course. Bad booking you can say. She wins a few times, gets a roll going, then gets beat by one of the Bella Twins or some shit. I just don't care that much for her.

 

[KillBill]

I think the problem is, is that people don't really see her as a Diva, maybe because shes not blonde, or have huge boobs, or is flirty with the audience and doing sexy moves. She is like the "good girl" who just goes out and wrestles. If Vince doesn't care, then give her the title. I wish her and Maryse could go at it, and just let it go. I like Gail, and I want her to succeed.

*By the way, based on what I said above, it may come off that I don't think shes hot or whatever, but I met her once at an autograph session, and she was supersweet and posed for a pic, even when lots of others were charging. I got that pic on my facebook lol. She is really beautiful, I'd marry her in a heartbeat ha.