And the Next "Great" Gimmick PPV Is......

[Barbedwire Ropes]

~"WWE: BURIED ALIVE CASKET MATCH
where every single match is contested via Buried Alive rules, watch as half of the WWE roster is buried in dirt and magically disappear for months!"

then catch the follow up.....

"WWE: DEADMEN WALKING
where all of the buried Superstars come back as zombies and compete against The Undertaker in a over-the-top-rope-but-not-the-royal-rumble match to see who gets to keep the gimmick!"~

Im sorry if I have offended anyone by this post, but im just so frustrated with all of these gimmick PPVs. I was watching some old "tape" today (AKA: Dvds) of some old-school pay-per-views and I found myself getting really into them, even while I knew who was going to win and what was going to happen the entire time. I miss those days, where it wasnt about Hell in a Cells, TLCs, Extreme Rules or Elimination Chambers. Where grudge matches were done one-on-one, no gimmicks. There is just something about two great performers in the ring, putting on a clinic and telling a story with nothing but pure ring ability that gets me sitting on the edge of my seat. I miss those days, where near fall after near fall was the way to go to get a crowd into the match. Not giant cages, or giant "punjabi playboys" watering everything down. Where has the emotion gone to? The closest thing I've felt that came even close to the old-school mentality was two recent single matches between The Miz and Kofi Kingston...OF ALL PEOPLE.


Is it just me. Am I blind?
Am I the ONLY ONE who misses the old-school style of PPV matches?

 

[shafe_41]

As for the "Themed PPVs," I've said it once and I'll say it every single time this topic is brought up and then blugeoned to death... even though people have actually only seen TWO of these events. I am not counting Night of Champions or Extreme Rules because they have been around for 3 years under one name or another. People constantly fucking bitched about the WWE being stale and not doing anything different. Well guess what kiddos? They're doing something different. Guess what else? Everybody is still bitching. It really separates the actual true wrestling fans from those who just watch it weekly and attempt to discuss anything about it. Sit back, watch the product given to you, and shut the hell up. I can't wait til people start to bitch about "Elimination Chamber" and how it'll ruin the Elimination Chamber match seeing as it's been done pretty much the same way every single year since NWO seemed to have garnered the privlidge of having the EC matches on it on a yearly basis. Elimination Chamber is a horrible name, we know that. But the PPV itself is going to be exactly the same. Every single one of these "themed" ppvs have been solid. HIAC wasn't amazing because it's not really "hell" without some sort of bloodshed. Plus, as long as the matches inside the Cell are good, who really cares how many there are in one night? Sure it was a little overkill, but WWE has a year to come up with something different. HIAC: The PPV is over. Quit bitching about it. Breaking Point wasn't nearly as bad as everybody "knew" it was going to be. It was actually pretty decent. NOC and ER are here to stay because we all pretty much enjoy those too. The only card people are playing is pretty much how much they hate the themed PPVs.... THAT THEY HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN YET!!!! Holy hell people... give the WWE some mothereffing credit for actually trying something new. The bitching about these themed PPVs is already about as old as Montreal Screwjob Discussions.

 

[gtajoker01]

i definitely agree. why have a ppv based on a gimmick? whats the point of having a ppv like hell in a cell with only 3 and all 3 matches sucking. this is the exact reason why their ppv buyrates are low. Also they dont need gimmick themed ppvs to be awesome and entertaining.. they just need decent matches,build ups, feuds,storyline's.

 

[Tyler44]

I can't wait til people start to bitch about "Elimination Chamber" and how it'll ruin the Elimination Chamber match seeing as it's been done pretty much the same way every single year since NWO seemed to have garnered the privlidge of having the EC matches on it on a yearly basis. Elimination Chamber is a horrible name, we know that. But the PPV itself is going to be exactly the same.

The only card people are playing is pretty much how much they hate the themed PPVs.... THAT THEY HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN YET!!!!

Think about this. You just said that the Elimination Chamber has been the same every year. But then you get mad because people are complaining about the ppv even though it hasn't happened yet. Well according to your post, we will know what will happen since it has been the same for a few years now, so we do have a right to complain because we are expecting it to be the same, and you are as well. Tecniqually, we have seen the ppv before, so this is why there is complaining.

 

[PG ERA FAN xfb4]

Holy Shit people quit bitching. All of these themed ppv's are being made/decided by people who have the power and the job to change them. Most of the IWC won't like it but then again the people who bitch the most are ones witha keyboard. Im sure most people can just look past what they want and understand that wrestling it self is a gimmick. And im also willing to bet that most people who dont like themed ppvs dont even pay to see them or they pirate them on a stream website.

 

[shafe_41]

Think about this. You just said that the Elimination Chamber has been the same every year.

I said the Elimination Chamber happens at pretty much the same PPV every year. Whether it be for a #1 contender spot or a title match, NWO has pretty much been the host of the Chamber for quite a few years now.

But then you get mad because people are complaining about the ppv even though it hasn't happened yet.

Again... NWO was not a part of this discussion because all it's getting is a name change. Not a complete makeover like HIAC, Bragging Rights, Breaking Point, TLC, etc...

Well according to your post, we will know what will happen since it has been the same for a few years now, so we do have a right to complain because we are expecting it to be the same, and you are as well.

No. People bitched and complained about Breaking Point before they even saw it. It turned out decent. People bitched about HIAC before they saw it. The 3 matches were a tad overkill, but still a solid PPV. Now people are bashing Bragging Rights and... wait for it... BEFORE THEY SEE IT. I'll say it again... No Way Out has no relavence in this discussion because it's just getting a name change. But people want something to bitch about so they will totally overlook the fact that it'll be the same PPV with just a different name.

Tecniqually, we have seen the ppv before, so this is why there is complaining.

*Technically* And nobody is complaining about a PPV they've seen before. They're complaining about themed PPVs. I think you totally missed my point.


The bottom line is this: People wanted something different. The WWE gave us different. But people are still bitching. And again... bitching about a PPV they haven't even seen because it hadn't/hasn't aired yet... i.e. Breaking Point, HIAC, Bragging Rights... etc. It's getting old.

 

[The Gribbler]

I'll wait for the show before I start complaining, but it has been said already that this is essentially the gimmick the No Way Out has been using for some time, although I think the No Way Out name was better, i really don't think it will change the PPV at all.

I don't quite understand why they would bother changing the name though, I mean No Way Out makes sense as a reference to the chambers without having to outright say it and sound ******ed.

Oh well, whats in a name, a rose by any other name and all that jazz.

Just my Opinion

 

[kenvin100]

HOw does Rage in A Cage sound? Or Last Man Standing lol

I got Rage in a Cage from the rock lol..

im gonna assume that the EC PPV will prolly be running similar to past events..but I gotta say, the new PPV names are ******ed! Idont even understand wat the next ppv is about..Bragging Rights? What is this, a preview to Survivor Series? Then we have survivor series right after..i just dont get it

 

[NeoScyther]

To be honest, I rarely bash anything before I see it. With No Way Out...sorry, Elimination Chamber, I'm only bashing it in name. As people have stated NWO has hosted chamber matches in the past, be it for #1 contenders spots for Wrestlemania or for the titles themselves, but why change the name? If the PPV in general is kept the same way as in the past that's fine, but I think the name No Way Out was fine to begin with.

By the way, haven't we had a gimmick-match-based PPV since 1988? I think it's called the Royal Rumble (yeah, I know it's not the same but I couldn't resist).

 

[The Reaction]

I'm all for themed PPVs but why do they have to be named after them? What exactly is wrong with No Mercy, Armageddon or No Way Out?

How about we rename Wrestlemania: One on One w/ no DQ?

I can just picture: WWE Presents "Pink Slip on a Pole" live on PPV. Check your local listings and providers for how to order Pink Slip on a Pole.

God, I hate WWE. They have no future time orientation what so ever. I doubt that HIAC and TLC are going to be permanent names.

 

[MaciniRocks]

HOw does Rage in A Cage sound? Or Last Man Standing lol

Well "Rage in a Cage" is what I would call HIAC. Matter of fact it's what I've been calling it all week. There were already events ran in the indy world called "Rage in a Cage" (NWA-Wildside that I know of), leading to a "Wargames" match.

Now I actually like the idea of "Last Man Standing" and granted we might expect a LMS match BUT this actually sounds a bit like old WWF. In Your House: Last Man Standing.... much like.... In Your House: Buried Alive.... anyone remember that??? And that DOESN'T have to have a LMS match. It could be a Six Pack Challenge (but elimination style)... just a thought...

We don't have to have 3 matches in a gimmick. We can have 2 IF THEY ARE READY FOR IT. That's the problem. While DX/Legacy and Orton/Cena were ready for a HIAC match... Taker/Punk wasn't. Outside of kayfabe reasoning, they just were not ready to have that match.

I think the real annoyance isn't with the themes, it's the cheapening of the matches we have been told for the past X amount of years are dangerous, career ending matches. I get the PG era thing, not an issue here. They are just making it seem like these matches which used to be great parts of a feud or feud enders are just standard matches that can be had anytime for no apparent reasoning. I think THAT is the real problem with gimmicked PPVs...

 

[markmeout]

FAIL. NWO contained 3 Elimination Chamber matches every year and was a themed PPV forever the name change changes nothing. As for the name change it is to PG the names compared to the PG13 names that existed before hand. I think its a decnet marketing strategy and stop bitching since this is all stupid since all these PPVs that are changing were worthless anyways its not like WWE is changing survivor series to incredibly boring tag matches that Cena will win.

 

[Ryan420]

AGREED 100% wwe is going the worng way in my opinion. All this PG crap trying to be more family freindly. well vince, in a few years what are u gonna do when all the kid fans start getting older??? they are gonna get bored and turn to TNA. sorry for complaining but dammit WWE is getting real bad real fast. and on a side note, why change No Way Out to WWE Elimination Chamber. they already have the Chamber matches at the event every year, so why change a good PPV name into a really stupid one just like Hell In A Cell

 

[mdj2010]

Yeah I totally agree, I don't get the thinking behind gimmick based PPV's when it's widely accepted that the growth of gimmicks in the final years of WCW had a lot to do with the demise of the company.

I don't understand why they do Survivor Series now where the old theme takes a backfoot to the usual one on one pvv bouts, but at the same time think its a good thing to give people 3 hell in a cell matches on one night. Which doesnt have the desired effect of exciting the audience, rather you just dont care about the gimmick come the 2nd and third matches.

The only way a gimmick ppv would work would be a table, ladders, chairs ppv. Then you can theme different matches on the same concept, ie indivdual table match, ladder match and a couple of main events TLC matches.

 

[Dave]

~"WWE: BURIED ALIVE CASKET MATCH
where every single match is contested via Buried Alive rules, watch as half of the WWE roster is buried in dirt and magically disappear for months!"

then catch the follow up.....

"WWE: DEADMEN WALKING
where all of the buried Superstars come back as zombies and compete against The Undertaker in a over-the-top-rope-but-not-the-royal-rumble match to see who gets to keep the gimmick!"~

That made me laugh.

Im sorry if I have offended anyone by this post, but im just so frustrated with all of these gimmick PPVs. I was watching some old "tape" today (AKA: Dvds) of some old-school pay-per-views and I found myself getting really into them, even while I knew who was going to win and what was going to happen the entire time. I miss those days, where it wasnt about Hell in a Cells, TLCs, Extreme Rules or Elimination Chambers. Where grudge matches were done one-on-one, no gimmicks. There is just something about two great performers in the ring, putting on a clinic and telling a story with nothing but pure ring ability that gets me sitting on the edge of my seat. I miss those days, where near fall after near fall was the way to go to get a crowd into the match. Not giant cages, or giant "punjabi playboys" watering everything down. Where has the emotion gone to? The closest thing I've felt that came even close to the old-school mentality was two recent single matches between The Miz and Kofi Kingston...OF ALL PEOPLE.


Is it just me. Am I blind?
Am I the ONLY ONE who misses the old-school style of PPV matches?

No, yo are definitely not alone. Not by a long shot anyway.

The problem is that people do not like change. Whether you realise it or not, you are like them. Think about the people on these boards, if you will. I read constantly that the WWE has sucked major ass since they decided to go more child friendly. This may or may not be true. Personally I think it is a load of bollocks. I watched WWE then with the same passion that I do now. The only difference being that I know what is going to happen and my innocence is long since gone. I have to agree with you on one point though, I did like some of the old matches. I mean, I just watched the best of Raw DVD and I have to tell you, some of the old-school matches on there were incredible feats of wrestling ability. However, WWE is transitioning into a new product and will continue to have short matches with huge gimmicks because their target fan base, kids, will not stick around for 40 minutes to watch just any match. It is a shame but it is true.

 

[Stickstar 16]

~"WWE: BURIED ALIVE CASKET MATCH
where every single match is contested via Buried Alive rules, watch as half of the WWE roster is buried in dirt and magically disappear for months!"

then catch the follow up.....

"WWE: DEADMEN WALKING
where all of the buried Superstars come back as zombies and compete against The Undertaker in a over-the-top-rope-but-not-the-royal-rumble match to see who gets to keep the gimmick!"~

I actually think a better idea is the PPV buried alive- Where HHH and Undertaker both single handedly defeat their show's roster and take all the belts possible, then defeat half of the ECW roster, without putting any of their opponents over at all, then Deadmen Walking can be the ppv where the rest of the roster tries to recover and establish a degree of credibility..... but mainly i jest, cause its creative's fault, and hhh sells, and the undertaker..... well i hear its mainly cause he's the undertaker.

As to the main point of this, i don't find it that bad, although the idea's do need to be refined, like for example, Hell in a Cell and TLC shouldn't be ppv and appear multiple times, cause it eliminates their mystique and credibility, where as the concept of bragging rights is good, with the raw vs smackdown thing, but i personally would have prefer a few tournament style matches at the ppv to really establish a sense of brand supremacy, and it could have allowed for ECW's involvement.

I think if we allow this year as a test run for these themed ppv, than either they won't return next year, or they will be altered and refined into a more suitable and enjoyable form. In the end, we the fans are to blame, with the cries of the staleness and lack of enjoyment and the current set of ppvs before the introduction of theme ones, this seemed like the next step and a valid solution for reviving interest and appeal, unfortunately we fans are fickle and still continue to shit on the product even when its been changed in an attempt to appease us. So in the end we asked for it, we got it, now we have to deal with it, and hope that these are just some growing pains we're experiencing, and that soon everything will be better than before.

 

[GarvinSting]

If they go with War Games, I definitely hope they have two rings. Two rings adds an interesting element to the undercard matches as well.