Exactly. I made the claim and I proved it.
You made a claim, said it was rigfht because you said so, and got proven wrong time and time again. Stubborness is cool, I guess, but you lost. Give up.
Favre is 2-0 against Rodgers. Favre's team went 13-3, and a year later, with the same team, Rodgers went 6-10. What more proof can you possibly want?
I must have missed the part where they were playing tennis. Football is not a one on one sport. The Vikings are far better than the Packers as a whole, just not the QB position.
They actually weren't missing those guys, but good try. Most of the guys who wound up injured did so after the Packers were already showing themselves to not be an elite team.
Ryan Grant never showed up last year. The defense fell from a top ten defense to a bottom ten defense. The offense scored more points with Rogers, turned the ball over less, and he had less to work with. I don't know why you deny facts like this, but if they don't fit your argument, then facts don't matter. That's an odd way to debate, but whatever.
Not like what the Packers had, with a team that should have gotten better, not worse.
Seriously, I don't know where you get this from. Did Charles Woodson and Al Harris age backwards and get under thirty? A year older, a step slower, and surprise! The pass defense was worse. But hey, facts, right? Who needs them?
If everyone just got old, that would have been one thing, but most guys were entering their prime years, or were still in prime years. That's not a valid argument.
Who was? The injured Ryan Grant? Or was it the 33 year old Donald Driver? Maybe is the 35 year old tackle....... These are the most important positions.
Good point...if that had actually been my argument.
That actually was your argument. You're the one that said that teams don't suffer one year drop offs like that. I gave you example after example. But, hey, why use facts when Sly's opinion is involved?
But hey, why bother with facts and truth when you can bullshit?
I don't know why
you're asking
me that. You're the one who points at facts and calls them untrue, you're the one who denies actual sources from stories. Watch, I'm going to do it too. You're going to tell me, in some smug superior tone that you adopt when you're losing, that I can't do that, and then continue to do it to my sources.
For fuck's sake, just feel fortunate this was easy for me to find:
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And the transcripts to the interview:
http://www.everyjoe.com/emqb/brett-favre-fox-news-interview/
http://www.everyjoe.com/emqb/brett-favre-fox-news-interview-part-2/
Wow, so a butt hurt central character denies being offered the job when all kinds of sources from inside the negotiations say that it happened. Brett Favre's greatest sin is his pride. That's why he continued to force the ball in and throw interceptions, that's also why he made plays. And if he cared for the fans as much as he claims, he wouldn't have gone to the Vikings.
And yet, Brett Favre said he wasn't. So who would have more to gain from this...Brett Favre, or a team looking to save face with their paying customers fans?
I don't know, but I would say the guy whining about his job might decide to stick with his story. Packers fans have been waiting on Aaron Rogers for years.
And that's the whole problem, this whole debate is about what you think as opposed to what happened. This was a terribly weak attempt and the way you keep holding on is making me laugh. Admit defeat and move on.
And the Packers beat 13 teams in 2007, and only 6 in 2008. We can play word games all day long.
Well, you don't understand the game at all. We can compare position by position if you want. Adrian Peterson...better. Percy Harvin....better bernard Berrian....better Jared Allen.....better Steve Hutchinson....better The Williams....better Winfield.....better. The Vikings are better at every position except quarterback.
I'll be wrong the moment Rodgers proves he's a better QB than Favre. Which he hasn't done for nearly 6 years now.
You do understand he had to sit behind Favre and watch him throw 20+ picks a year for a while. Rogers proved he was better when he led the broken down Packers offense form a year ago to more points and yards than Favre did with everyone healthy. Favre got to the NFC title game, where he continued to throw picks, on a running game and defense. You want to say Favre is a better leader...fine, but he's not a better QB at 40 than Rogers is right now. Brett Favre
was better than Rogers is now, but now, he's a game manager and his biggest job is making sure he puts the ball in Peterson's breadbasket on the handoff.
No, you haven't given real facts. Your, and others, argument has been "21 people on a team got much worse, and a "source close to the Packers" says Favre was offered a spot to compete.
And you're evidence is, "I don't think teams have big dropoffs even though he keeps showing me how it happens and I deny that the Titans are having a bad year because it's inconvenient to me and an interview with a central player in the story with a history of twisting stories, like pills.
I, on the other hand, have given you facts. 2-0, 13-3, 6-10, same players on roster, and Favre himself saying he wasn't going to be allowed to compete.
But you've taken every fact so far out of context that it's laughable. You don't understand what you're saying. You are wrong beyond all belief. You should stop now because you are embarrassing yourself.
I think what's fun, besides the fact that I've totally kicked your ass, is that we are now arguing about our arguments. How awesome is that?
You kicked your own ass. You took everythng twisted to mean something that it obviously doesn't and you're so convinced that you're right that it is legitimately making me laugh. You aren't close to right. Not even close. In fact, I would say that no one has ever been more wrong than you are right now.
We're arguing arguments because in a story like this there are hundreds of facts that contradict each other. Then there are mine, which paint a beautiful picture of my epic pwnage. I've always wanted to use pwnage in a sentence.
This is a good start. We just need more people to fan the flames. (Oh god...what a shitty pun.)
