Am I Right To Hate Alberto Del Rio

[ShatteredDreamsProduction]

For a while now, I've really despised ADR. Either as a face or a heel, he just rubs me the wrong way and it makes me want to punch him in the face if I ever saw him and I have quite a few reasons as to why I hate him so much. This isn't me hating a character like I'm meant to in wrestling. It actually really bugs me that he is used so frequently in WWE and clearly doesn't deserve it.

1 - He used the "Si" chant as if its his. Daniel Bryan made the Yes chant what it is and ADR just hangs on the coattails of it. Yet no one seems to have even questioned it, even though he uses the same timing with it and everything. This really does bug me as I don't think anyone has even acknowledged that he does this.

2 - His time as a heel was average at best, people say he was a good, even great heel, but he really wasn't at all. Is just he is so bad as a face that his heel days look amazing by comparison.

3 - The main reason why he is "over" is Ricardo Rodriguez. His Ring Announcer/Manager gets more of a reaction than the wrestler. That should tell us something about his character. Stop pushing him just because he has RR.

4 - Then there is his look. He just looks like a slime ball who when he is an old man will walk the beaches of Mexico and be asking people to let him sleep with their wives for money. He has such a generic look that anyone could have done the job

5 - He has the charisma of a brick. If it wasn't for RR he would actually be no where in WWE.

Most of you will probably slate this post, but I just really needed to rant somewhere wrestling based and get feedback on what other people think.

So the question is simple, am I justified to hate his as much as I do?

 

[ShatteredDreamsProduction]

Oh and how he showed total disrespect for the Divas title by kicking it across the floor at Payback.
That really wound me up. Okay the Divas aren't exactly the hot topic in WWE but to show that little respect for it and just kick it away. I hope he got some major heat backstage for that and they have him lose the title in less that a minute tonight on raw and drop to the depths of jobbing with 3MB and Zack Ryder.

 

[One to Remember]

r u saying him kicking their belt was a shoot action? i never really liked him and it annoys me that he gets cheers, his cheers seemed so politically correct to me for some reason. Regardless of cheers he needs to remain heelish or antihero, thats the only spectrum he can fly accross.

 

[ShatteredDreamsProduction]

I'm not too sure if it was shoot or not, but it was disrespectful none the less, specially when AJ and Kaitlyn actually put a really good match on for the title.

And I guess people see him better as a heel. But he really does grind my gears so I really don't have much time for him.

 

[Desyar]

Funny thread is funny.

I may not be the biggest ADR fan out there but that double turn was just amazing.

1 - He used the "Si" chant as if its his. Daniel Bryan made the Yes chant what it is and ADR just hangs on the coattails of it. Yet no one seems to have even questioned it, even though he uses the same timing with it and everything. This really does bug me as I don't think anyone has even acknowledged that he does this.

2 - His time as a heel was average at best, people say he was a good, even great heel, but he really wasn't at all. Is just he is so bad as a face that his heel days look amazing by comparison.

3 - The main reason why he is "over" is Ricardo Rodriguez. His Ring Announcer/Manager gets more of a reaction than the wrestler. That should tell us something about his character. Stop pushing him just because he has RR.

4 - Then there is his look. He just looks like a slime ball who when he is an old man will walk the beaches of Mexico and be asking people to let him sleep with their wives for money. He has such a generic look that anyone could have done the job

5 - He has the charisma of a brick. If it wasn't for RR he would actually be no where in WWE.

Most of you will probably slate this post, but I just really needed to rant somewhere wrestling based and get feedback on what other people think.

So the question is simple, am I justified to hate his as much as I do?

You're free to hate anyone you want.

Also, it's just hard to take your post seriously when you have the Miz on your top 5. Just saying.

 

[boywithbluehanger]

I'm really sick of Del Rio still being on the roster. But he's only one of many guys who I want gone. They gave him the world in 2010 and he couldn't get over. Then they screwed him over at WM back in 2011 by letting Edge retire by defeating him. That killed his "destiny" journey. Then they give him MITB, put the WWE championship on him, and later they give him the WHC. All of this, while not garnering a consistent vocal response from the live crowds. Honestly, I put Barrett in the same category. They keep giving him championship runs when no one in the crowd cares about him.

In ADR's case, they've given him so much at this point that getting rid of him would mean a huge portion of the past 3 years has been a failure. I can only believe that is the only reason why he gets to stay around. His accent is too thick for most of the live audience to immediately respond to comments in his speech promos and he doesn't really say anything affective as a face or a heel. So he won't be getting over anytime soon. I say pull the plug and "Chavo Guerrero" the guy.

 

[Ellye]

That "kicking the Divas belt" moment rubbed me in a wrong way too.

It was the moment when I was sure that he'd be turning heel, coupling that with the commentators lampshading how he was acting. So, if that act was scripted, it accomplished its goal, no doubt. Not sure if I like the idea, but well, it worked.

 

[R.K.O]

I just don't get why they are constantly pushing Del Rio, he is as uncharismatic as it gets. His mic skills are way too forced that it sound like he's reading from a script, he's a good wrestler but WWE have those in abundance. This double turn is great on paper but I'm worried about the execution because people just won't care about Del Rio, and that might affect Ziggler with his face turn without a good heel to face.

Ricardo Rodriguez on the other hand is extremely charismatic and as over as it gets. He's a wrestler right? Why don't WWE split him away from Del Rio, let him wrestle and they might get the Hispanic star that they wanted instead of wasting their time on a lost cause like Del Rio?

 

[Ellye]

Ricardo Rodriguez on the other hand is extremely charismatic and as over as it gets. He's a wrestler right? Why don't WWE split him away from Del Rio, let him wrestle and they might get the Hispanic star that they wanted?

You know, with Del Rio becoming a heel again, this might actually be a possibility for the near-future. Ricardo could be a decent lower card face on his own.
The problem is, this would likely kill Del Rio forever. Not that I'd care, but Vince probably would.

 

[Duderino]

For a while now, I've really despised ADR. Either as a face or a heel, he just rubs me the wrong way and it makes me want to punch him in the face if I ever saw him and I have quite a few reasons as to why I hate him so much. This isn't me hating a character like I'm meant to in wrestling. It actually really bugs me that he is used so frequently in WWE and clearly doesn't deserve it.

1 - He used the "Si" chant as if its his. Daniel Bryan made the Yes chant what it is and ADR just hangs on the coattails of it. Yet no one seems to have even questioned it, even though he uses the same timing with it and everything. This really does bug me as I don't think anyone has even acknowledged that he does this.

2 - His time as a heel was average at best, people say he was a good, even great heel, but he really wasn't at all. Is just he is so bad as a face that his heel days look amazing by comparison.

3 - The main reason why he is "over" is Ricardo Rodriguez. His Ring Announcer/Manager gets more of a reaction than the wrestler. That should tell us something about his character. Stop pushing him just because he has RR.

4 - Then there is his look. He just looks like a slime ball who when he is an old man will walk the beaches of Mexico and be asking people to let him sleep with their wives for money. He has such a generic look that anyone could have done the job

5 - He has the charisma of a brick. If it wasn't for RR he would actually be no where in WWE.

Most of you will probably slate this post, but I just really needed to rant somewhere wrestling based and get feedback on what other people think.

So the question is simple, am I justified to hate his as much as I do?

Welcome to the internet, where everyone hates Alberto Del Rio. Let me address why you're wrong argument by argument.

1. The fans will do what the fans will do. If they're yelling "si!" it's because they want to. Nobody has a gun to their head. Out of all of the originality that the WWE lacks, you're going to pick this. The reason nobody acknowledges the similarity to Daniel Bryan's "yes!" chants, is because they already know. I don't walk outside in the morning and wonder why nobody acknowledges the color of the sky.

2. People say he was a good heel. But he wasn't because you just told me he isn't. Solid argument there, bro. I'm sure you're right and everyone else is wrong. I didn't like his character at first as a heel. That means he's doing his job.

3. Over is over. Why is Del Rio the only wrestler who gets criticized just because his manager draws all of his heat/pop. You do know that's how a manager works right? The WWE turned Del Rio face so abruptly that nobody really had a chance to get behind him. People wouldn't cheer for him because his role as a heel was well played and memorable.

4. "He just looks like a slime ball who when he is an old man will walk the beaches of Mexico and be asking people to let him sleep with their wives for money. He has such a generic look that anyone could have done the job"

Really? That's a pretty specific description you gave right there. I can't think of anyone else on the roster that can pull of that look. Doesn't seem generic to me.

5. This is the same argument as number 3. I happen to think he does have charisma as a heel. Rich as shole is a role he's filled very well. He obviously draws heat, and the crowd still loves Roberto, so Del Rio seems to have enough charisma.

And what nobody likes to acknowledge is that in the ring, Del Rio is better than at least 75% of the roster. Certainly better than the Miz, who is in your top 5.

The people that hate Del Rio hate him because it's his job to make you hate him.

 

[R.K.O]

You know, with Del Rio becoming a heel again, this might actually be a possibility for the near-future. Ricardo could be a decent lower card face on his own.
The problem is, this would likely kill Del Rio forever. Not that I'd care, but Vince probably would.

That's the problem here. Vince just doesn't see a lost cause when he sees one, instead he will continue shove the said guy down our throats until we get completely sick of him. Ricardo is the clear star here so of course you would push the star. With the reactions that Ricardo got he can easily be an upper mid card guy in a Rey Mysterio position if he shed some weight.

 

[Kliq69]

I don't hate ADR... He bores me... There is a difference. The problem I have is I haven't really noticed any real character with him, nothing real, nothing organic. However I thought of an excellent (in my opinion) idea that would utilize him in the best possible way.

The way I see it, there are several issues with ADR in the past and currently, these issues are.

1) Why was ADR a face? Because he saved his employee from an assault? Because he advocated breaking the law? What made him a good guy? He was still a rich mexican with his own announcer. Nothing really changed.

2) What did ADR do to turn heel? Was it kicking a belt? I understand the disrespect but I saw a women's belt dropped in a trash can... Doesn't register as a reason to go from face to heel. What did he do during his Ziggler match to turn heel? He was aggressive and targeted a known weakness of his opponent. How many times have faces targeted "surgically repaired" arms, legs, necks, etc? He didn't use interference, a low blow, chair shot, any weapon. What about his actions turned him heel? Fans booing him doesn't turn him heel. Cena gets boo'd and is still a face. Jericho gets boo'd and is still a face. What turned Del Rio?

3) What does an ADR heel turn do to RR's emerging fan base? He's become quite popular. Won't him being associated with a heel ADR kill that?


I know what needs to be done. ADR needs to join up with Zeb. Ricardo needs to break away, he could be a solid midcarder if he got in shape.

I know it sounds crazy, but it works on so many levels. ADR needs a manager, Zeb is being underutilized. With ADR as his poster child, Zeb can attack so many different things like illegal immigration without being called racist. ADR can speak about doing it the legal way and illegal immigrants being granted citizenship is unfair to the legal immigrants.

As part of the true heel turn (a defining of his status, direction of character, and an actual "moment"), when ADR joins up with Zeb, have ADR as RR's "employer" revoke his visa and have him arrested and deported (show of wealth/power). This would allow RR to get off of tv for a while, get in ring shape, and work on his ring work. Wait to bring him back after 90-180 days (personally, royal rumble) and have him attack ADR during a big match (elimination). He can explain he had to return to Mexico, but (insert current face authority figure or Linda) helped him get his Visa and he now works for WWE. Big blow-off match at a ppv or mania.

ADR needs a character and a mouth piece, and Ricardo needs to be given the chance to be the mexican face Vince keeps searching for to replace Misterio. By doing this, you could achieve both while getting the most bang for your buck.

 

[Jaffa]

Some of you seem upset a heel kicked the divas belt and are the same people saying said heel can't get over. I'll let you think about that.

 

[ThePrawnCurry]

they hired a mexican super star and took off his mask

he was/is not supposed to be that chatty, thats what Ricardo is for

thats why the promos are so wooden

only rey can wear a mask apparently (Kane is a soapstar)

 

[thebowtiekiller]

hes never really intrested me much i dont think hes a lost cause tho theres definatly a place for him in a mid card meh sort of way he doesnt bore me or annoy me enough to change the channel but having said that i seriously doubt many people tune in because del rios on.

its probably true that ricardo is the most entertaining part about him tbh and to be fair with the si chants i think the first time i heard them was on the raw after mania the one before last where the crowd where going mental chanting yes all night i thought it was pretty funny and cant blame del rio for playing along with it a bit.

i get the impression that wwe often use a lazy tactic of chucking a heavyweight title at someone and hoping for the best hoping they will overnight become the next stone cold or rock not many are cut out to be the top dog and imo del rio just isnt they should just have him stick to the mid card where he belongs

 

[Mustang Sally]

I find it interesting that many of you seem to regard themselves as wrestling purists; people who appreciate the art of ring wrestling more than the pageantry of today's product.......yet you "hate" Alberto Del Rio, or at least can't see his value.

The man is a consummate wrestler.....in the old style. He works a match as well or better than anyone in WWE. He tells a story, working precisely and methodically, even while functioning as a villain right out of the 1950's. Yes, other performers can hit their spots and generate exciting theater, but ADR "works"....and in this forum, we say we love to see a true pro work a match.

Of more concern is the way WWE uses him, turning him face at the drop of a hat.....then making him a heel overnight. Strange. When a wrestler turns, there should be more of a build-up, more explanation as to why.

Had Randy Orton done to Dolph Ziggler at Payback what ADR did, we'd think it was brilliant of Randy to capitalize on the opponent's weak point to gain an advantage. When ADR does it, we see it as fighting dirty, which is a humorous term to use when discussing pro wrestling, no?

Yes, you have a right to hate Alberto Del Rio. If he bores you.....so be it. Personally, I'll take him; I love watching what he does in the ring. I never got to see the classic bad guys from the 1950's do their thing: with ADR, it feels as if I'm seeing it now.

 

[Jay Jayerson]

1. The Si chant. First off, I was at Raw in Vegas in January. When him and Ricardo got beat up by Big Show after winning the last man standing match by tying his hands to the bottom ropes. We chanted SI as they carried him out of the ring and backstage. Nobody asked us to we simply did it. Chanting is a form of meme. And lets be fair here, nobody could have predicted that chanting just YES! or NO! would have taken off the way it did. And it was the crowd again that decided to chant SI. And frankly I find it rather petty to support the premise that the words Yes and No can only be chanted for one star. The audience will do whatever they want. Just last night they decided to rudely chant RVD while others were performing. Or they chant boring. Guess what. If you chant boring, and you paid money for tickets to see the show. You may as well be chanting "Im an idiot".

2. Nope he wasn't the greatest heel of all time. Del Rio is not the complete package its true. He IS main event caliber in the ring. But you give him a mic, and his imperfect english kind of drags it down. I wish I could see him cut a promo in spanish (and understand it) because I bet it would be far better. That being said he can still be amazing in out of ring segments. YOU HIT SANTA will go down as one of my top 5 wrestling segments in history. And Del Rio sold it perfectly. All this being said. I don't expect people to be perfect when they start. I expect them to grow as performers while I'm watching. And I've watched Del Rio grow as a performer. His promos have gotten better (even if they are still a ways away from being CM Punk caliber, but lets be honest CM Punk is 100 times better now than when he started). You can literally count the number of times he has botched moves on one hand.

3. So I guess we should keep watching shitty wrestlers with more charisma like Christian then? Ya I said it. Christian sucks in the ring. Hes a small guy that wrestles like a big guy trying to wrestle like a small guy. His finisher is the least believable finisher I've ever seen. But hey he cuts good promos and, as a gay friend told me last night, "has a killer smile". Do you realize they had to give Jack Swagger a manager like Colter because audience members are so damn petty they made fun of his lisp? Forget that the guy is capable of giving us good matches let's hone in on any flaw we can find and get the guy fired!

That kind of behaviour from the audience and the IWC I find to be reprehensible. Imagine millions of people worldwide watched you work every monday and shat on you for every little teeny mistake you ever made. And most defend their ridiculous (and humanity damning behaviour) with pathetic arguments like: "Well thats what you get when you are on tv!". Wrong. Thats not what you get for being on TV. Thats what you get from millions of jealous fans who for some reason dont understand the meaning of the word WORK and feel entitled to be millionaires just for being alive.

4. Well it seems his look did the job and you are completely unaware of it. He's supposed to be a mexican aristocrat. You are supposed to feel like he is a slimeball that walks around using people. That just means he did such an amazing job as a heel you didnt even realize it.

5. Redundant.

So are you justified in not liking him? No you are not justified in not liking him. Liking him has nothing to do with being just or not. Its ok for us to not like the same guys. IF we all liked the same guys, RAW would be Cena all the time. Think about that. Variety is the spice of life. If you dont like a certain performer. Cheer for the other guy. And if you like neither. Take a piss break. Make a snack. Have a smoke.

 

[D-Man]

It's no secret that I've always been a fan of Del Rio's. And trust me, I can completely understand if people think he's boring and don't like him. But some of the stuff this poster said just needs to be addressed...

For a while now, I've really despised ADR. Either as a face or a heel, he just rubs me the wrong way and it makes me want to punch him in the face if I ever saw him and I have quite a few reasons as to why I hate him so much. This isn't me hating a character like I'm meant to in wrestling. It actually really bugs me that he is used so frequently in WWE and clearly doesn't deserve it.

I can totally respect this. People think I'm crazy for feeling the same way about guys like Rey Mysterio or RVD. If you don't like someone, you don't like them, regardless of how much the product pushes them.

1 - He used the "Si" chant as if its his. Daniel Bryan made the Yes chant what it is and ADR just hangs on the coattails of it. Yet no one seems to have even questioned it, even though he uses the same timing with it and everything. This really does bug me as I don't think anyone has even acknowledged that he does this.

If you want to blame someone for the "Si" chant, blame yourself. And blame the rest of the WWE universe. You act as if ADR pushed this chant upon us. If you recall correctly, this chant was used solely by the crowd and ADR figured, why not use it? That's Wrestling 101; embrace the crowd's reactions and utilize them for your benefit. The only thing ADR does to egg on that chant is slapping his wrist. If the crowd wants to chant "Si" while he does it, it's certainly not his fault. Either way, it works and he successfully got the crowd behind him in his matches when he was a babyface using the chant.

2 - His time as a heel was average at best, people say he was a good, even great heel, but he really wasn't at all. Is just he is so bad as a face that his heel days look amazing by comparison.

Another strange statement. As a heel, I agree he was quite the epic fail. All the potential in the world just went to shit because he was stripped of his heelish "wink" and he kept forcing the word destiny down our throats. But when he turned face, the crowd was REALLY behind him for a while. Don't let your personal opinions sway facts; while Del Rio was a babyface, he rose leaps and bounds above where he was as a heel.

3 - The main reason why he is "over" is Ricardo Rodriguez. His Ring Announcer/Manager gets more of a reaction than the wrestler. That should tell us something about his character. Stop pushing him just because he has RR.

I couldn't agree more.

However, you want the WWE to STOP pushing him because a part of him is over with the crowd? That's just ridiculous. That's like turning back the clock and stopping the pushes of guys such as King Kong Bundy, Rick Rude and Harley Race just because Heenan was more over than they were. Heenan was more over than EVERY wrestler he managed.

Last I checked, isn't that the point of a manager? To get the wrestlers they represent over with the crowd?

4 - Then there is his look. He just looks like a slime ball who when he is an old man will walk the beaches of Mexico and be asking people to let him sleep with their wives for money. He has such a generic look that anyone could have done the job.

Wow... you're really reaching here. The fuck would you have him do... bleach his hair, paint his face, and wear tassels?? How can you knock a guy just because he looks a certain way? If looks were everything, how would Mick Foley ever have gotten over?

5 - He has the charisma of a brick. If it wasn't for RR he would actually be no where in WWE.

First of all, "nowhere" is one word. If you separate the word, you're almost asking us a question (i.e. "No, where?")

Secondly, yes his charisma is lacking. But once again, that's the point of giving a wrestler a manager.

Most of you will probably slate this post, but I just really needed to rant somewhere wrestling based and get feedback on what other people think.

So the question is simple, am I justified to hate his as much as I do?

You're only justified if you give logical and just reasoning. He rubs you the wrong way? No problem... hate on him all you want. But most of your tirade is a total contradiction of the product of professional wrestling. What you see in ADR is what's been done with wrestlers since the 2nd Golden Age of the 80's, except a more modernized version that adapts to the current times.

 

[info62]

ADR is my favorite on the wwe roster. However, I agree that his last heel run wasn't good. I thought it was incredibly stale, especially by the end of it. I thought his face run was a lot better, what was so crappy about his time as a face?

Don't understand why you are complaining that his manager is over. That's his job. Not even going to comment on the slime complaint.

And finally that Divas title is ugly as sin. It's much more disrespectful to make women compete for that garbage belt than it is to kick it around a little bit

 

[CMbrose Punk]

It's not so much that I hate Del Rio; I just don't care about him one way or the other. I don't care if he's a heel, I don't care if he's a face. At least with John Cena, I want to see him lose or turn heel or do something, anything. But with Del Rio, I'm so indifferent to him that he could be fired tomorrow and it wouldn't phase me one bit. If I want to hear Ricardo Rodriguez do his introduction, I'll just watch some soccer on the Univision channel. It's basically the same thing. There's just nothing interesting or original about Del Rio whatsoever. Heels are supposed to make you want to see them get beat. Faces are supposed to make you want to see them win. The only thing Del Rio makes me want to do is change the channel before I fall asleep.

 

[ShatteredDreamsProduction]

okay, i see a lot mentioning about me having miz in my top 5, that is from a long time ago and i never got round to changing it tbh

and yeah, i will admit, in the ring, ADR is as good as most performers.

I did contradict myself whilst writing the original post quite a bit, i mixed the wrestling heel side of it with just general dislike for him and i didnt aim to do that but obviously i did and overall looking back, this is just an all round bad post from me in a time when i was raging after a long stressful day and lost all focus and reasonable argument skills.

So yeah... let me just clarify, as an in ring wrestler, ADR is good.

Just he himself really bugs me, but looking through these posts i realise he was a masked wrestler and wasnt meant to have such an open speaking role as he does in WWE

 

[Jonyboyuk2]

I like Del Rio. I just worry his talents have been wasted. His original heel run was as an interesting character but they needed a slight gimmick change to make it work as a face.
Moreover- ADR has not been booked properly. His Royal Rumble 2011 win was a waste. he was not allowed to look competitive really - and it deflated the win and his following run; and to then be squashed by Super Cena - it was just a waste. He never recovered. His character needs to go darker now - ala Scarface/Razor Ramon.

ADR is a legit tough guy - why don't they capitalise on that!?

 

[Greg4WWE]

I will say this. ADR did make a good point last night when he said Dolph took advantage of his injury the night after wrestlemania. These "turns" can be a bit.. double standardish if you think about it. I mean what ADR did at Payback was basically same thing Dolph did to him on Raw the night after Mania.. *shrug*.. that is wrestling for ya

 

[I_Am_Electro_Boy]

Well you're not right but you're not wrong either, it's just your opinion. I'm not the biggest fan of Del Rio, but I'll admit the guy is talented in the ring, and he's decent on the mic. But I just find him a little boring as both a face and a heel. His heel character is much more entertaining than him as a face but neither really keep me interested. Ricardo for me is a bit more entertaining but even he is started to get a little boring. And I think him kicking the Divas belt was just to almost show he was a heel I doubt he would've done it if he were to stay face, so I wouldn't say he personally showed disrespect to the belt he was just being a heel.

 

[Ellye]

Some of you seem upset a heel kicked the divas belt and are the same people saying said heel can't get over. I'll let you think about that.

I'm upset with the creative writing, not with the character.

Also, I did say that it was an effective move. It did what it was supposed to do - made it clear that he was turning heel.

But I felt that the way that it was written was bad. Something like that - kicking a championship belt like he did - shouldn't be just a detail. It's part of what should have been lampshaded, talked about by the characters in the show. Part of something that the faces should yell at him about. The fact that no character seemed to notice or care about him kicking the belt was what rubbed me the wrong way.