A Good Reason Why Ric Flair is Better champ then Hogan

[mr.davidson]

Now I will start off by saying I am a BIG Hogan Fan. But somthing dawned on me the other day and i wanted to get your opinion.

Ric Flair is a mutiple Heavey weight Champ. And a very impressive one as is Hulk Hogan.

However the big difference between them i find is that Hogan always held the big Tittles and never the small ones. What i mean by that is Flair held many other tittles besides the Heavey weight championship.

The reason y i think it makes Flair a bettr champ then Hogan is just this.Whenever Flair held a different tittle such as the U.S Tittle or the Tag Tittles or the IC Tittle ( flair made that IC tittle seem like it was the IC tittle back from the 80's for awhile.. gave it a purpose again). He would take the tittle and make it his own....He would make that tittle that he held seem so great it would almost make the heavey weight tittle scene seem meaning less in compairsion.

2 do somthing like that in my opinion makes him seem greater then Hogan in many ways. Hogan held the tag tittles at one time, but it didnt seem like he was that into it, But flair like i said before always made his tittles seem important.

Whats your opinion???

 

[Marduk]

Flair is the greatest champion ever and the reason is he made the belts mean something. Rick Flair made the Big gold belt because it fit his personna. He put that title on the map. Whenever I see that belt now in the WWE it makes me think of Flair. Even when he took the belt to WWF back in the day when he had his first stint there that was unheard of back then. Nobody took a belt from another org to the other. Flair made the Big gold belt.
The US title is one of the most underrated belts. Some of the greats held that title from Flair to harley Race, Magnum TA.etc..... When Flair held the title it meant even more cause he made it a major title.I dont think Hogan could make the IC belt or the US belt like Flair did. Then again Hogans ego was pribably too large to hodl one of those lesser belts.. Hogan was at the right place at the right time with the right gimmick.. Flair could wrestle and had great mic skills and not to mention he is probably the greatest Heel of all times. Not knocking Hogan he was a great heel also probably a better heel than staright guy. No one beside the Rock has ever had the charisma like Rick Flair 16 time world champ woooooooooooooooooo

 

[JoeDubb]

What makes Flair a better champ is the fact that when you wrestled him, you came out looking like a million bucks. Hogan swallowed guys and if you beat him, most of the time it was treated as a fluke. You just knew Hogan was going to get his win back. Taker beat him only after Flair interfernce. Yoko beat him only after a camera blew up in his face. The only guy I can ever remember him jobbing for, with out "getting his win back" was Ultimate Warrior at WM6. And look what happened, Warrior was MADE after that. Think of how many other guys he could have made if he wasn't so selfish. Flair on the other hand made cats stars. Ricky Steamboat and Sting stand out the most. But for another example, look at Macho Man at WM8. Savage had been a non factor for months before that feud, having being retired by Warrior a year earlier. After that title match, Randy was THE MAN (for a small amount of time). So I think Flair is the better champion, not for the titles he has held, but for the people he has made and his ability to elevate those around him.

 

[Strog D]

Honestly Mr Davidson.....heavey weight?tittles? horrid grammer from a so called wrestling fan!

Flair was an amazing champion whatever he held as he was a performer in every sense, on the mic, in the ring everything he did was behond what hogan did.

i loved hogan when i was young but as i grew older i appreciated more and more what flair has done for wrestling....putting people over,being a champ or in stables!!!

hogan for me was huge and was the first mega star of wrestling.....but he wouldnt get over now if he started now....were as flair probs would....?
so i think flair was a better champion in many ways. hogan winning the ic or us titles would never happen.....can u see him winning the x-div championship .....neither can i!!

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Ric Flair a better champion than Hulk Hogan....Not so fast.

Ric Flair's title reigns were so overrated it's not even funny especially his latter ones. I'll give him credit for his NWA work because that when he was at his best but most of his title reigns were just token ones and could have been given to somebody much better. Ric Flair did help guys like Sting and Steamboat but Hogan has done much more that people don't give him credit for.

Hogan revolutionized the business as champion and helped bring wrestling into the mainstream. He was willing to lose the title to Undertaker who had been there only a year. Hogan elevated the Warrior, Big Show, Goldberg, etc. He did more as a champion in my opinion than Flair did even though he had less titles than Flair.

To the poster that said that Flair would get over now and Hogan wouldn't, that is wrong. Flair's wrestling style would not work in this era where as Hogan's would because Flair doesn't have the ability to connect with the crowd and entertain like Hogan would. Hogan was still entertaining the crowd six or seven years ago and Flair was boring people one and two years before he retired.

 

[RicSpade]

Ok first off we can sit here and compare Hogan who was meant to dominate as a face to Flair who put on this long wrestling session, but that won't get to the root of whether or not Flair is a better champion you have to go much much much deeper.

First lets start with title runs: In Flairs prime he was the NWA World Heavyweight champion which he was selected to be so from a board of directors from all NWA territories, and he would travel everyone defending the title. As the years went on he said screw WCW and was given the run with the WWF title in what is still the only time a wrestler became the WWF champ and the first person to come in at the top five wrestlers to win it all. After all that Flair has held the major world titles multiple times, IC belts, Tag belts, and main evented multiple multiple times.

Hogan on the other hand fell short of the AWA title by what looked like a screw job, but became multi popular pre wwf due to his involvement in movies, and when he came to the WWF he beat the Iron Sheik cleanly, which at the time was a big feat considering at the time no one ever thought anyone would beat Bob Backlund for the title and Sheik did it. He held the title for 1,474 days which if I am not mistaken is still the longest WWE title run since Bruno Sannmartino. He had also held the WCW world title, the tag titles, and more.

Now after knowing that history its apparent that both men have major accolades, they were given the ball by their respective brands, and they had held their respective heavyweight titles for a # of times for a long period of time. The one thing you have to remember is both men are great for their accomplishments. Ric Flair is the only real 16 time world champion, and the only other wrestlers who can come close really is Kurt Angle due to him holding Japan, TNA and WWE gold multiple times, and Hulk Hogan for practically the same thing only in WCW. No other wrestler in history has held a world title in multiple places under the same name except these 3 men.

Hogan made waves by headline multiple wrestlemanias, and slammin Andre the Giant, making wrestling as main stream as it was.

Flair and Hogan have beaten each other multiple times, they lost the world title from each other multiple times. The only thing that makes Flair a better champion is that even at the age he is at now he was able to put on a spectacle on that lasted for almost an hour with Shawn Michaels, and Hogan right now is obviously in bad shape and wouldn't be able to come close at the moment. Hogan basically outdrew Flair, but Flair would put on these hour long spectacles almost every match, where Hogan only got close to that with the Warrior, Savage, HBK, and of course Ric Flair.

There you have it in a nutshell if you define it by wrestling skill its Flair, amount of matches and time of matches - Flair, Title reigns - Flair, length of reign - Hogan, Draws - Hogan, bigger matches - Hogan (only cause The WWE and WCW had Hogan go over too easily over guys Flair beat like Race does Hogan get this).

So you decide who was the better champ, but if you take all those things into consideration there is the arguement for either one...

 

[Strog D]

Flair's wrestling style would not work in this era where as Hogan's would because Flair doesn't have the ability to connect with the crowd and entertain like Hogan would. Hogan was still entertaining the crowd six or seven years ago and Flair was boring people one and two years before he retired.

really little jerry lawler really???

hogan would be another meat head now....like masters (less funny) jackson (less jacked) or fetus (less ugly) or whatever his name is now. his moves set is limited and always has been....where was flair put on amazing matches right through his career...rick steamboat,hbk to name two....he would put on hour long matchs...top rope moves...flung to the outside....flipping when getting tossed into the corner...even the flair flop legendary....

am not saying a dont like hogan as he was the bigger draw...no question.. but flair would defo now make it before hogan....his promos alone are great...hogan just sounds dumb.....member him talking to vince a few years ago...youtube it...horrid stuff...not the nature boy though!!!

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Flair's wrestling style would not work in this era where as Hogan's would because Flair doesn't have the ability to connect with the crowd and entertain like Hogan would. Hogan was still entertaining the crowd six or seven years ago and Flair was boring people one and two years before he retired.

really little jerry lawler really???

hogan would be another meat head now....like masters (less funny) jackson (less jacked) or fetus (less ugly) or whatever his name is now. his moves set is limited and always has been....where was flair put on amazing matches right through his career...rick steamboat,hbk to name two....he would put on hour long matchs...top rope moves...flung to the outside....flipping when getting tossed into the corner...even the flair flop legendary....

am not saying a dont like hogan as he was the bigger draw...no question.. but flair would defo now make it before hogan....his promos alone are great...hogan just sounds dumb.....member him talking to vince a few years ago...youtube it...horrid stuff...not the nature boy though!!!

Hogan succeeded for decades with a "limited moveset" so why do you think it wouldn't work now? Hogan was a great wrestler at the 70's and that's what most people don't realize. Flair for the most part was boring where Hogan never failed to entertain in almost every match he was in. Doesn't matter how many hour matches Flair performed because you don't see that many anymore. The last good Flair match was sometime in the early 90's where Hogan had a good few this decade. Hogan's promos were always better than Flair's and the fans were already getting sick of Flair leading up to his retirement so why would they be any different now?

 

[Strog D]

awwww man ur off ur head....u aint got a clue....am going to sit back on this one and let others discuss this....hbk vs flair....MANIA wasnt a good match to you?
it brought tears to the crowd....grown people not children who hogan was aimed at.
hogan would never be good today because masters has a better move set.... am betting that if masters was around a year before hogan started we wouldnt have seen hogan...ever!!!

 

[Dre Guevara]

I'll give U a reason Y Flair was a better champion than Hogan....
Flair's matches, while the moves were predictable, told stories, on top of that Flair did'nt just wrestle & defend the title against behemoths, like Hogan did, he defended against smaller guys also, like Ricky Morton. also, like RicSpade pointed out, Flair defended the title in EVERY region that was under sanctions by the NWA, during those days, U could pretty much 4get about seeing Hogan show up @ a Mid-South or World Class Championship Wrestling card defending the WWF title or even participating in one hour matches like Flair.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

I'll give U a reason Y Flair was a better champion than Hogan....
Flair's matches, while the moves were predictable, told stories, on top of that Flair did'nt just wrestle & defend the title against behemoths, like Hogan did, he defended against smaller guys also, like Ricky Morton. also, like RicSpade pointed out, Flair defended the title in EVERY region that was under sanctions by the NWA, during those days, U could pretty much 4get about seeing Hogan show up @ a Mid-South or World Class Championship Wrestling card defending the WWF title or even participating in one hour matches like Flair.

Hogan didn't need to show up at a Mid-South or WCCW card because he was the top guy in the WWF while Flair was still in the NWA. Hogan has proved to be a better champion and a better draw while champion than Ric Flair for decades. How was Flair as a WWE and WCW champion because he wasn't better than Hogan was. Also, Hogan's matches told stories just like Flair's did.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

awwww man ur off ur head....u aint got a clue....am going to sit back on this one and let others discuss this....hbk vs flair....MANIA wasnt a good match to you?
it brought tears to the crowd....grown people not children who hogan was aimed at.
hogan would never be good today because masters has a better move set.... am betting that if masters was around a year before hogan started we wouldnt have seen hogan...ever!!!

Flair vs. HBK was a horrible match but that's not the discussion here. The kids loved Hogan as champion during his era and the kids in this PG-era would still love Hogan if he debuted today. I don't know if the "say your prayers and eat your vitamins" phrases would work but I believe he can work his way around them. I don't think Ric Flair can connect with this crowd better than Hogan can because the Hogan back then was tailor-made for kids with good overcoming evil as it still reigns true today.

Masters having a better move set than Hogan is hilarious.

 

[Tenta]

My God.... It's thing's like this that make me thankful for people that actually know their old school stuff. LJL is right on this one, and it's not even close.

Look, the mark of a champion is how much you sell. Period. How many butts do you put in the seat, and how well does your company do with you as their champion. That's the only objective way to measure championship success. And the bottom line is, Hogan was a better draw as champion in a larger promotion than Flair was in his promotion. Period, end of sentence. There's no disputing that, in either the WWE or WCW, Hogan sold out more arenas, sold more pay per views, and was a larger mainstream than Flair could have ever dreamed of. That's your mark of success as champion, and why while someone like Bret Hart was a better wrestler than Hogan, he'll never be regarded by anyone with an objectional standpoint as a better champion.

Flair may be a better wrestler, but he's not a better champion. That's determined by how many butts you put in the seat. And Hogan has Flair beat by leaps and bounds.

Honestly Mr Davidson.....heavey weight?tittles? horrid grammarfrom a so called wrestling fan!

Fixed. Hi Pot. My name is kettle. You're looking especially black today.

 

[Jetspete]

Flair holding the intercontinental title in his late 50's does not make him a better champion than Hogan. It just means he had longevity later in his career. But who was the champion when wrestling took off in the mid 80's? Hogan. While Hulk was selling out Wrestlemana arenas, Flair as Dre said had to go around the country to house shows to find work. In the mid 90's when Wrestling reached another stratosphere, Hogan was the champion of the popular WCW whereas Flair was too injured to be a dominant player.

And if Flair was such a great champion, why was a non-title hogan match, not a Flair/Savage title match the main event of Wrestlemania VIII? And why did Flair drop the belt to savage if he was such a great champ (a guy defeated by Hogan 3 years prior)? Flair is a great charachter, a fan friendly overachiever, but do not confuse that for being a better champ than Hogan.

The end of Hogan title reigns signified a change in the wrestling industry. Savage (after the tournament), Warrior, Yoko, Goldberg all pushed after they defeated Hogan for the title (or won the belt after Hogan last held it). Find me one instance where Flair lost any belt and the landscape of wrestling changed. If anything look at 1992. Flair won the Royal Rumble yet could only hold the belt for two months.

 

[UseYourBrain]

Hogan succeeded for decades with a "limited moveset" so why do you think it wouldn't work now? Hogan was a great wrestler at the 70's and that's what most people don't realize. Flair for the most part was boring where Hogan never failed to entertain in almost every match he was in. Doesn't matter how many hour matches Flair performed because you don't see that many anymore. The last good Flair match was sometime in the early 90's where Hogan had a good few this decade. Hogan's promos were always better than Flair's and the fans were already getting sick of Flair leading up to his retirement so why would they be any different now?

Just because Hogan used more moves back in the 70's doesn't mean he was a great wrestler. It just means he hadn't found his niche yet and the moves the fans responded to.

I don't think there's a single ounce of evidence to support the claim that Hogan was EVER truly a "great wrestler".

As for the Flair/Hogan argument. You can't say that Hogan was better because he drew more money. That's the same as saying Star Wars: Episode 1 - 3 are better films than Pan's Labyrinth because they made more money. That analogy works for just about every aspect of entertainment. There's what's great, and then there's what's popular. Flair was great. Hogan was popular.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Just because Hogan used more moves back in the 70's doesn't mean he was a great wrestler. It just means he hadn't found his niche yet and the moves the fans responded to.

I don't think there's a single ounce of evidence to support the claim that Hogan was EVER truly a "great wrestler".

As for the Flair/Hogan argument. You can't say that Hogan was better because he drew more money. That's the same as saying Star Wars: Episode 1 - 3 are better films than Pan's Labyrinth because they made more money. That analogy works for just about every aspect of entertainment. There's what's great, and then there's what's popular. Flair was great. Hogan was popular.

Watch any of his matches in the 70's and 80's and come back and tell me he wasn't a great wrestler. The object of wrestling and to entertain the crowd and make money and Hogan did it like nobody else could. He put asses in seats better than Flair could and Hogan is popular and great. Flair is somewhat great and that is based off of before the 90's.

 

[Hulkamaniac]

Just because Hogan used more moves back in the 70's doesn't mean he was a great wrestler. It just means he hadn't found his niche yet and the moves the fans responded to.

I don't think there's a single ounce of evidence to support the claim that Hogan was EVER truly a "great wrestler".

As for the Flair/Hogan argument. You can't say that Hogan was better because he drew more money. That's the same as saying Star Wars: Episode 1 - 3 are better films than Pan's Labyrinth because they made more money. That analogy works for just about every aspect of entertainment. There's what's great, and then there's what's popular. Flair was great. Hogan was popular.

"Great wrestler" is completely subjective. There are people who love Chikara and CZW, etc. Does that mean these guys are great wrestlers? Fans of those organizations think they are. Drawing power is objective, and Flair never had near the power of Hogan. As for the movie analogy, it's off. The entire point of pro wrestling is to draw as many human beings as possible to want to see you wrestle, and Hogan did that better then anyone, including Flair.

 

[LongHessa]

Ridiculous. Hogan drew way more money than Flair could ever dream of as champion. One reign as champ for the hulkster probaly made more money for the WWF than all of Flairs combined. Maybe a stretch but you get the point. A champion is mainly based on selling out stadiums and generating revenue, therefore this is a no brainer. Also, Flair vs. HBK sucked ass. Don't even get me started. People may have been 'crying' in the audience...but me and my friends were laughing our asses of during that "match of the year" lolol...

 

[mr.davidson]

Perhaps this thread has now gone in a weird direction

I wasnt really saying Flair is a better Champ then Hogan

All i was saying is that because flair can take a different tittle like the IC , U.S, TV, or tag. and make it into somthing great. and i dont think Hogan could do the samething or has any interest in doing so.

i just think its the making of a good champ if he can where a different tittle and elevate it to a whole new level.

in that way i believe flair is better. but as far as drawing power and the rest of course hogan beats flair. But in this way i believe flair is a better champ