50's / 60's Region - #25 Van Morrison vs #9 Creedence Clearwater Revival

[IrishCanadian25]

4th Round 50's / 60's Region Match

#25 Van Morrison vs #9 Creedence Clearwater Revival

Please take into account the entire body of work of the artists, their mark on the music industry and/or society as a whole, their influence on other artists, lyrics, music, etc. If you have not already done so, please review the rules of the tournament and the Wrestlezone Forums. Have fun! PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU VOTE FOR THE BAND YOU INTEND TO VOTE FOR! MOVING FORWARD, IF YOU CLICK THE WRONG BAND, YOUR VOTE WILL HAVE TO STAND!

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[FoleyIsGod]

Creedance gave me one of my favourite movie quotes ever

"Ever heard of Creedance?"

"No, its like having a pinecone shoved up my ass"

Priceless.

But I voted Van Morrison because I feel he just nudged out Creedance in the rock history stakes

 

[Father:_Polley]

There shall follow a more detailed reasoning behind the voting of Van Morrison on my part. However, both are very highly influential bands who probably haven't had the recognition that they truely deserve for their contributions to music. Van Morrison edges it for me though...i'll explain why on monday, until then vote for Van and check out his music, if not for the tournament, for your own listening.

 

[IrishCanadian25]

Van Morrisson is a fine musician, absolutely. But he's no CCR. I've said it before - Creedence is one of the most socially relevant bands of all time. Their music during the Vietnam War was so inspired and important, it helped to form and move and MOTIVATE a sub-culture. None of Morrsion's music is even remotely that important.

If CCR's musical library vanished tomorrow, it may have changed the course of American Cultural History. Without anti-war and anti-government songs like Fortunate Son and Ban Moon Rising, who knows what would have changed.

If VM's music catalog vanished - we'd lose good music. We'd move on.

Vote CCR not ONLY based on the quality of the music itself (which was fantastic) but also for social and political relevance. Their songs still resonate strong in today's America.

 

[FoleyIsGod]

Wish I could change my vote now, I delved more into CCr back catalogue and thier songs symbolised a generation.

All the anti vietnam war songs and songs that were antigovernment just were amazing, such as Bad Moon Rising and Fortunate Son.

I hope more people have the sense to listen to CCR before they vote.

 

[Father:_Polley]

If VM's music catalog vanished - we'd lose good music. We'd move on.

If Van Morrison's music vanished, we'd lose a song that was very symbolic to the peace process in Northern Ireland in a collaberation with Brian Kennedy in Days like This. For Van Morrison from the Protestant community to collaberate with a Catholic was a big deal...it may sound ridiculous to think that but here, that was big.

you'd lose the influence on this list

His influence includes U2 (much of The Unforgettable Fire - Bono "I am in awe of a musician like Van Morrison. I had to stop listening to Van Morrison records about six months before we made The Unforgettable Fire because I didn't want his very original soul voice to overpower my own.")), John Mellencamp ("A Little Night Dancin'", a cover of Morrison's "Wild Night"), Jim Morrison of The Doors, Joan Armatrading (the only musical influence she will admit to having), Rickie Lee Jones, Rod Stewart, Tom Petty,Elton John,[166]Patti Smith (her poetic-proto-punk "Gloria" most explicitly), Graham Parker, Daryl Hall, Phil Lynott of Thin Lizzy, Bob Seger ("I know Springsteen was very much affected by Van Morrison, and so was I." - interview in Creem), Dexys Midnight Runners, Jimi Hendrix ("Gloria"), Jeff Buckley ("The Way Young Lovers Do", "Sweet Thing"), and numerous others, including Counting Crows (their "sha-la-la" sequence in Mr Jones, is a tribute to Morrison).

Irish singer Damien Rice, Ray Lamontagne, James Morrison. Paolo Nutini. Eric Lindell and David Gray are also several of the younger artists influenced by Morrison. Irish rock band The Frames, The Wallflowers have covered "Into The Mystic"and Canadian blues-rock singer Colin James

From the bold names, there are a lot of top names in this tournament who site Van Morrison as an influence. And for a man with 1 Number 1, and only 10 top 10 albums in the UK, that's pretty damn impressive...with a top 20 RS all Time album as well in Astral Weeks

CCR...there are worse bands to lose to and if he goes out here, it's a close call and he's done a great job.

 

[IrishCanadian25]

If Van Morrison's music vanished, we'd lose a song that was very symbolic to the peace process in Northern Ireland in a collaberation with Brian Kennedy in Days like This. For Van Morrison from the Protestant community to collaberate with a Catholic was a big deal...it may sound ridiculous to think that but here, that was big.

you'd lose the influence on this list


From the bold names, there are a lot of top names in this tournament who site Van Morrison as an influence. And for a man with 1 Number 1, and only 10 top 10 albums in the UK, that's pretty damn impressive...with a top 20 RS all Time album as well in Astral Weeks

CCR...there are worse bands to lose to and if he goes out here, it's a close call and he's done a great job.

I can't believe I am about to say this - but I feel pretty pwned right now.

Nice post, Polley. Seems I had quite a bit to learn about Van Morrison. But here's a question for you - CCR's top and most resonant hits are their most socially conscious - Bad Moon, Fortunate Son, Run through the Jungle, etc. But Van Morrison is best known for Brown Eyed Girl and Moondance. How seriously can we take his influence if his top hits were fairly banal, lyrically?

 

[Father:_Polley]

I can't believe I am about to say this - but I feel pretty pwned right now.

Nice post, Polley. Seems I had quite a bit to learn about Van Morrison. But here's a question for you - CCR's top and most resonant hits are their most socially conscious - Bad Moon, Fortunate Son, Run through the Jungle, etc. But Van Morrison is best known for Brown Eyed Girl and Moondance. How seriously can we take his influence if his top hits were fairly banal, lyrically?

I expected a quick reply to that

the same way people can take the Beatles seriously despite the fact Ringo Starr was awful. I believe you are aware that just because those two songs are lyrically quite weak, how often do lyrics sell the music (except the Beatles).
When was the last time you listened to the radio and thought straight away 'Those are some deep, profound lyrics, I must buy that'? If you did, pop music wouldn't have a chance!!! It's the combination of music and lyrics that makes Van Morrison appealing. Those two songs you mentioned, catchy as hell, and (trust me, i've sung it in a choir) some of the most complex music around to boot.
So yes, Brown Eyed Girl and Moondance, not lyrical masterpieces, but then were Blue Suede Shoes, Hound Dog or Teddy Bear by Elvis really any better? And I think you'd agree Elvis Aaron Presley did ok for himself, because he had something to back it up.