It's in the title of the thread man. Want me to change it to a buddhist state? I could go on all day about the virtues of the eternal truth if you want.
Well. You said in the post you wanted to make a christian state. That's what I was going off of. Then something about the Muslims not being as violent if Christianity were the national religion.
Yeah. It's called the "If I move to that country I'll do really well for myself and build a great life for my family as long as I abide by their laws and do the right thing in terms of their social norms and culture". I thought that was pretty common.
Not the "in terms of their social norms and culture" part. Or else you're tying their hands when it comes to assimilating. If you're forcing them to assimilate a certain way, it's not them assimilating to the culture. It's you saying "Hey, live like this. Because I'm better than you and know how to live my life better than thou."
Now thats just overexaggerating what I'm saying. Did I ever say that was bad? Learning their culture? No. but since Australian culture is based in...Australia, it should be the main culture. Is their culture so good it should replace any other culture that it comes up against?
Is your culture so good it trumps any other culture introduced to it? It has no lee-way whatsoever when it comes to some new culture being introduced? A muslim community bringing their culture into the Australian culture will completely ruin it?
yes it has leeway, but only to a certain extent. European immigrators are familiar, and Asian immigrators merge well with the culture, even if they don't practice christianity. but Islam is a whole different ballgame. Whereas Buddhism and Confucianism and Taoism are all certain ways of leading your life, Islam is a strict religion with varying degrees of sensibility.
As is Christianity. It spans the gulf of Fundamentalist to Unitarian. As does Judaism. At any rate, why does the fact that Muslims have to pray 5 times a day or not drink alcohol rain on your parade?
So much so that you'd never leave that Razorback community and only speak Razorback, and never talk to a Mantaur? How is that fair?
If I moved to the country of Mantaur and there were race riots aiming to kill my people, then yes. I would regress into a culture that
doesn't have roaving gangs of people forming to kill me. Sure, all Mantaurs aren't trying to kill me. But a small part of them trying to kill me is enough to not like them or trust them.
Propaganda? Rightio. Sure. A lot of Muslims may be interacting with our culture. Theyll go to football games and go to friends houses for dinner and have a wonderful time. But what of the people that aren't. The muslim clerics that claim that Sharia law should go before Australian Law and that Muslim people shouldnt pay taxes because it's not allowed in Islam. Is that "adding" a bit of themselves?
Yeah. It's just like the Christians in America trying to make Abortion illegal just because they interpret the Bible as saying it's against God's law. or when Christians try to make Homosexual Marriage against the law because they believe God forbids it. You can't have a religious community and not expect them to try and push an agenda.
Every religion does that. Are we to expel all Christians from the United States now?
Well you know, thats a small percentage of the Australian populace that the rest of Australian society can't be blamed. Like the small percentage of muslims that you know, bomb stuff.
Okay? I still would be wary of Australians after a group of them formed to cleanse me from society. Just sayin'.
No they don't. but Muslims can live in Australia if they want, and Australians can hate it all they want. But citizenship and what it means to be Australian are da different issue than just living in the country.
No. I'm pretty sure to be a citizen of a country you just have to swear loyalty to the country. As long as the Muslims swear loyalty to Australia and it's Constitution, why can't they be citizens?
Well if you put it that way it could be simplified to "Ooh I hate the Israeli's and I want that piece of land".
Not at all. A bunch of Australians, according to what I've gathered from you, hate Muslims because they're introducing some of their culture to the Australian culture.
The Israeli/Palestinian conflict stems from a fight over the land Israel occupies that stems back to the biblical days of Moses, when the Jews believe they were promised the land by God. The Palestinians had always lived there, and believe the land theirs. Fighting ensues. For decades.
The Sunni/Shiite muslim conflict goes back to the days of Islam right after the death of the Prophet Muhammad. They have been fighting and shedding blood for thousands of years because of a dispute over who was the rightful leader of the Islamic populace.
These problems overshadow some Australian xenophobia. Just sayin'.
Oooh, Razor found a new term he likes to use.
To be fair, you gave me that term. Kick yourself in the ass.
I never actually said Christianity was the way to go. I refered to it as "our religion". The religion I spoke of doesn't have to be strictly christian, but I definately think it should encompass christian values. Religion is as much infused in culture today as in anything else. People shout 'Jesus Christ' and open Christmas presents regardless of believing in it or not. But the values remain the same. What about Australian Unorthodox? Does that work? Probably not right?
So wait, you never said this?
European immigrators are familiar, and Asian immigrators merge well with the culture, even if they don't practice christianity. but Islam is a whole different ballgame. Whereas Buddhism and Confucianism and Taoism are all certain ways of leading your life, Islam is a strict religion with varying degrees of sensibility.
That is literally quotes ago. In this very post, no less. It specifically states that Christianity is better for Australia than Islam.
Why do you keep saying that like I was involved in it? The term is very ugly. But I just used it to show the sort of attitude there is from all angles. There were reports middle eastern men assaulted life guards, reports of police commissioners cussing and the like. The fact of the matter is, it's not exactly making foreigners feel welcome exactly is it?
You gave it to me.
..So what if some Middle Eastern men assaulted some life guards? That's what the authorities are for. That doesn't mean a bunch of fringe members can form squads to go around beating Muslims.
Oh I'm sorry, Im accusing you of something? Read my first post man, you'll find I wasnt being as aggressive about the issue as you seem to think I am, and all the same, you're calling them crazy. Do you think the idea is to get rid of the hard working muslim people in Australia that have families? No, it's the same fundamentalists that you calim are going to give us a "hella bombing". We have them too.
So by refusing everyone but Christians citizenship in Australia you're going to get rid of the large minority that is fundamentalist, bomb crazy Muslims? How is that going to help at all? That's just going to piss off Jews and Muslims, really.
If they called it home, they might learn the widely accepted national language or maybe communicate with people outside of their cultural sphere. Of course I'm not accusing everyone of this, but the percentage that ARE closeted within their own society are the issue.
I never knew it was against the law to not learn English when you are a citizen of the US, Britain, or Australia. You're actually going to police what languages people speak now?
Your...point? I just said it's possible. but judging from attitudes adn the recent influx of middle eatern people, its a slightly higher possibility the Aborigines one. Just slightly
My point is that you're making asinine assumptions. Saying "Uhhh...the Muslims committing mass treason and revolting against the government is possible" is just as insulting as saying anything of the example possibilities I stated.
Whats insulting is the reference that every Australian took part in those riots. Because oh yes, the Prime Minister ordered those beach gangs to riot. And the government supervised it and did nothing. Why are you accusing the Australian populace of being as such?
So you're not going to answer the implication that all the Muslims will revolt against the government? Fair enough.
I will, however, answer this crock of shit. I never, once, accused the entirety of Australia of launching a race war against the Islamic community. I am accusing you and the others that think like you of being xenophobic and encroaching against the rights of the Muslims in your country. If I ever said "the Australians" it was either a typo, or I meant the Australians that think as you are arguing.
Christianity has nothing to do with the rioting situation. Thats was based off of rascism plain and simple. At it's heart, the fear of the foreign is the root of the problem rather than Christian values. Christianity, without the absolute rubbish from the Vatican is a system that could work.
It could work better than Islamic Law? Shariah Law is very fair and balanced. Just ask the Gaza Strip, who use Shariah Law for all civil matters.
