Rock Region, Third Round, Submission Match: (1) The Rock vs. (8) Ricky Steamboat

[klunderbunker]

This is a third round match and it is a submission match. It will take place at the Amway Center in Orlando, Florida.

Rules: The match can only be won by submission. There are no disqualifications but assume weapons aren't used.

#1. The Rock

vs.

#8. Ricky Steamboat


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[NSL]

While I'm a huge Steamboat fan, I can't help but think Rock wins this with as many Sharpshooters are needed to get the job done. Steamboat may have been better in the ring, but Rock was no slouch, and won more big matches than I can count.

 

[nightmare]

I hate Rock's sloppy sharpshooter.

He still wins this though. He has more submission victories than Steamboat. Add in the stats concerning title wins & money drawn, then it seals the deal for anyone thinking Steamboat has any chance here.

 

[klunderbunker]

This isn't as cut and dry as it would seem. Rock may not submit much, but Ricky Steamboat was the first man to ever made Ric Flair submit. It's also not unheard of for Rock to tap out as Benoit made him do it at least once. I'd lean toward Rock, but Steamboat certainly does have a hold (a double chicken wing) that can make people give up. If he could do it to Flair, it's not insane to think he could do it to Rock.

 

[MrMojoRisin]

This is actually a really bad draw for the Rock.

In almost any other match, I'd probably give it to the Rock. But if the use of the gimmick rounds are supposed to make any sense and matter, then I simply don't see how a wrestler like the Rock was could defeat a wrestler like Steamboat.

The Rock really just has the one submission move. That horribly sloppy looking Sharpshooter. Steamboat on the other hand, knows several... the most famous of course being the double chicken wing that he beat Flair with. A hold that basically wasn't one that could be countered... and again, the type of wrestler that the Rock was, wasn't the type that would be able to find a counter for it.

It wouldn't be easy for Steamboat to get the chicken wing on him, but he was a master technician. He'd eventually wear down the Rock enough to find a way. The Rock would most likely get the Sharpshooter on Steamboat first. Steamboat could counter the Rock's Sharpshooter.

Pay attention to the match type in this one. This match belongs to the Dragon.

 

[stillboy21]

I'm going to go on ahead and vote for Steamboat here. The Rock is not a technical or submission specialist. He couldn't even beat Foley clean in an I Quit match and has tapped out to Benoit and to Angle in a segment in 2002, whereas, as mentioned before, Steamboat made Ric Flair submit.

 

[Tastycles]

I just think that while The Rock is probably at a disadvantage with the stipulation, he does have the sharpshooter and he's such a bigger star than Steamboat that I think he's sufficiently streets ahead to get the win. Rock wins.

 

[NSL]

This is probably one of the most entertaining matches of the entire tournament, and the stipulation really doesn't favor one guy over the other, so I have to go with the guy that's done more, and been a bigger star. Steamboat should have been a bigger deal, and is miles ahead of Rock in the ring, I think, but Rock could put on an entertaining match, and has wins already over guys better than him skill-wise.

Voting for Rock, but not against Steamboat, if that makes sense.

 

[ShinChan]

Dragon here.

The stipulation definitely favours Ricky. Steamboat is very good at in-ring work as compared to Rock. Yupp, Rock was a bigger star but Steamboat still makes him tap out.

Steamboat.

 

[Pay Per Ghost]

This is actually a really bad draw for the Rock.

In almost any other match, I'd probably give it to the Rock. But if the use of the gimmick rounds are supposed to make any sense and matter, then I simply don't see how a wrestler like the Rock was could defeat a wrestler like Steamboat.

The Rock really just has the one submission move. That horribly sloppy looking Sharpshooter. Steamboat on the other hand, knows several... the most famous of course being the double chicken wing that he beat Flair with. A hold that basically wasn't one that could be countered... and again, the type of wrestler that the Rock was, wasn't the type that would be able to find a counter for it.

It wouldn't be easy for Steamboat to get the chicken wing on him, but he was a master technician. He'd eventually wear down the Rock enough to find a way. The Rock would most likely get the Sharpshooter on Steamboat first. Steamboat could counter the Rock's Sharpshooter.

Pay attention to the match type in this one. This match belongs to the Dragon.

The silliness of a move has nothing to do with how effective it is first of all. People's Elbow is basically a grown ass man running around an opponent and then driving an elbow into his opponent's chest.


Rock is just a way bigger star to take the fall here. I mean, I did my homework check that he has never had a Submission Match but I don't see him losin to the Dragon.

As NSL not voting against Dragon but its The Rock.

 

[Poop Master Flex]

For myself the stipulation favors Steamboat more than The Rock. I've seen Steamboat put Flair away with the double chicken wing but I can't recall a single instance where The Rock beat anyone by submission.

The interesting thing about this match is I don't see either guy submitting even though they've both have submission losses in their career, at their height it's not something that happened often, I can recall Steamboat passing out to the Figure 4 in his prime, I can recall The Rock tapping to the Crippler Crossface in his prime but those are the only 2 instances I can think of currently.

There's no question The Rock is the bigger star, the bigger draw, the bigger everything but he wasn't the better wrestler, he wasn't the better in ring talent and there are circumstances where I see him quitting and that's something I just don't see happening with Steamboat. Even though he may not be the bigger wrestler (figuratively and literally) he has the biggest heart, these matches often come down to surviving and I think Steamboat would find a way to survive and pull off the upset.