Before I start, I have to say that I AM NOT anti-indie or anything. A little uneducated perhaps but this forum has over the years kept me up to date about the Steens and sundry. Speaking of Steen, I still remember to this day that almost every ROH match back in 2010-11 felt so real. It was stiff and strong and at times borderline crazy; but that was the charm. The fans were so 'smart' that you had to make your punches and kicks make some noise, quite literally. I'll fast forward, I just watched Burch vs Dunn and uhh... making your shit look real is one thing, slapping your knee at every contact is a tad too much. Because if by logic that stiff punch by Burch is supposed to be his signature, it has lost its luster because both of them have spent the whole match killing the mystique of that move.. Now this is the British style thats been around for decades I guess but most of us came across this when we discovered ROH or a smaller promotion around that D Bry, Nigel, Steen era; rounding up the earlier story and coming to the point... I have seen the likes of Rollins bring this to the main roster as well and it is great when he has to hit that finisher of his but, its that same indie slap your knee at everything style that really kills it for me I KNOW The Rock used to do it too, with his punches but man he built it to that big spit punch. At the same time, he had this ridiculous habit of slapping someone when he was DDTing them (haha). So I know it's been around, but shouldn't you build to that?