CM Punk WINS The WWE Championship!!! Cena fired???

[TSG]

I loved that promo. I've had a good night's sleep and today to think about it, and yeah, it's still amazing. If that promo was a woman, I would literally make sweet, tender love to it all night, it was that good. The thing about it that got me was even though I knew the whole time it was planned, something deep down made me truly think it was a real shoot. He had me on the edge of my seat the whole time, and as much as many casual fans may not have gotten it, he was getting a great reaction on a live show, no canned reaction, nothing piped in. When he could get that reaction, you know not only that it was a great promo, but he is just really that great. I've known it forever, but some people didn't. Punk just went from IWC darling to established star in one promo, and proved why he is so good. He is now the hottest topic in the world of professional wrestling, and for good reason. It very well may have been the best promo since Austin 3:16, the very best I have heard since I started watching in 2003. And what really set it over was not the Ring of Honor or Colt Cabana references, it was stuff the casual fans could understand, like the Hogan name dropping, the kissing ass bit, and the line about how he even Vince dying won't help the company. All of it was the sign of someone who has a true gift at working a microphone, and he showed it.

WWE is selling it hard, they are going deep hardcore kayfabe with this promo. With the suspension announcement, his Facebook page taken down, and the like, they are selling this hard. WWE picked the wrong time for a double taping, but I refuse to look at the spoilers, as this is one of the two true times I cannot miss RAW next week in forever, with the Nexus angle being another. It's the Summer of Punk once again, and I sincerely and truly hope and believe he has either signed a new deal already, or will be signing one soon after last night, and will be laughing all the way to the bank, because the era of Straight Edge has been ushered in. I've said it in many other threads since last night, but hell, I will say it ONE more time.

On 6/27/11, C.M. Punk won at professional wrestling.

 

[cheese]

This is my first post, but I have visited this site for years on a daily basis.

Now, I haven't read through all 41 pages of this thread, so I apologize in advance if this was discussed, but I get the vibe that this will play out one of two ways.

1) They will use this to make CM Punk the new Stone Cold (he even wore the shirt last night) and usher in a new era for WWE. As his rant went on, more and more people got behind him, and he actually played to the crowd when he got "cut off" yelling, "They're trying to silence me."

To me, it seems like Punk will become the new anti-hero, much like Austin. He will be the voice of the forgotten. He doesn't have to change his character at all for this to happen. He can continue bashing fans, wrestlers and officials alike, until all of a sudden he is the biggest face in the company for saying whatever he wants and doing whatever he wants when he wants to do it, ala SCSA. He will be the one trying to snap everyone out of the lameness that has plagued WWE for the last few years.

This could also be used to FINALLY turn Cena heel as he will side with the McMahon/Helmsley faction trying to rid the WWE of this loose cannon. This will also give Triple H his last run as a heel, which he has said he prefers better.

OR

2) It could reverse the roles of the McMahon/Austin-style fued with the McMahon faction being the face and Punk continuing as the heel he is right now. Seeing a face Mr. McMahon try to make Punk's life a living hell would be interesting (but Punk would probably end up turning face this way, too, because of the underdog factor).

Again. I didn't read all 41 pages of the thread, so if this is a re-hash, sorry, and please disregard.

 

[wushady]

it was by far the best promos in a very long time. It was definitely the best worked shoot I ever saw. The way he delivered it made you believe it could have been a real shoot. Finally the WWE is doing something that has everyone talking and looking forward to seeing what happens next with this storyline. I don't think Punk is really leaving. They wouldn't be setting up what could be the best angle in a very long time if he was.

I believe they are working the IWC for the first time. I'm sure Punk has a lot of input in this angle. It was probably his idea to work the IWC and get them buzzing. The guy is pure gold on the mic and in the ring. I'm sure WWE would do pretty much anything to keep him there and keep him happy. This angle and promo is proof to me that he's staying.

 

[Evilash]

I see alot of people saying that there's no way the WWE is going to let Punk go after this and this promo has cemented his future with the company. However, you guys are forgetting one very important detail. The man who calls the shots is one of THE pettiest business men of our day. It doesnt matter if you are the best in ring talent if this day, if he dont like you, he wont hire you.

This is the man who up until recently had been preventing Christian from being anything more than a midcarder because he had no faith in the guy. How many great wrestlers were (temporarily) put out of work when he absorbed WCW simply because they had been part of a rival company. How many years was it before he would even consider talking to Bret Hart when he left for WCW? The man has a history of letting personal feelings get in the way of good business decisions.

I just got done watching XPac's vlog about RAW. He brought up a good point. Regardless whether if Punk's spot was scripted or not, he put on a good show and in the end, thats all that really matters.

Which in turn got me thinking. If this wasnt scripted, then why did Punk bother to put on such a good promo? He could have done the usual for him, do whats expected of him, then use the media outlets to start blasting the WWE. Instead he went out there and cut one of the best promo's we've seen in a very long time.

I honestly dont know what to think, and I dont care. Im very interesting in seeing how this is going to play out.

 

[Midnite Express 2009]

So according to the official website of WWE, the company has updated its previous post of suspension of C.M. Punk from last night's work/shoot promo he cut, basically saying they have reached an agreement where Punk is allowed to fulfill his non-televised dates up until July 17. Do you think WWE should have updated their website with this information, or should they have kept it hidden, and if Punk showed up at House Shows, they could have used this as a way to further along the storyline, assuming it is a storyline? Does this make WWE look a bit silly by first saying he was suspended but now he & WWE agreed to his non-televised dates? What are you thoughts?

 

[uguess94]

no i think from a business stand point this is good because it gives the house shows more ticket sales and such to see if punk will say anything and give more of a purpose to them and let people know please come to the house shows CM Punk will be there

 

[Midnite Express 2009]

I agree. I don't know anyone personally who goes to house shows. I mean, they never really come to my city, unless it's like a Supershow or something of the sort. But good point. I just wish they hadn't done it so quick. Like, they could've waited a few days, let everything continue to boil & then said they reached an agreement. But it's their company, they can do what they want.

 

[ahoyhoy]

To the person who asked about the 4th wall:

Television, or fiction in general, works in its 'own world'. The characters are to believe they are living in their own reality for scripts to work whether it be Spock teleporting, Cena putting over the Miz or Bart Simpson pulling a prank. But if Spock is to save the day and then turn to the camera and acknowledge the audience, then the reality of the show is broken. The phrase fourth wall comes from the set - you can go through the left wall, right wall or back wall to exit but if you make your way through the fourth, the camera, you upset the whole premise.

Now in wrestling it is a little more awkward. Kayfabe has been broken in many significant ways, for example, over the past 15 years. Also there is an audience who interacts with chants or signs to rip up or to throw water in the face of a wrestler. In quite a famous promo in... I think it was '97, Vince said that they were going to break the fourth wall and the attitude era saw it happen repeatedly. I believe that promo is what CM Punk referred to.

But more importantly, other than the McMahon family, various Commisioners or GMs and the occasional stooge - I don't think the backstage employees has ever really been mentioned on television and calling out Johnny Ace by name is enough to make people wonder whether it is a shoot. Stooges have been part of the story before, and Patterson and Brisco's work backstage has become part of the story before - but to call out Johnny Ace, unknown to 95% of the audience, as a sycofant was above and beyond what Punk needed to say to make this a heat filled promo and will provide genuine backstage heat.

I don't know if this was a work or not, it most probably wasn't. But damn it was good.

 

[dansaint]

I have an idea of what I think will happen (or what i think COULD happen) but it would mean revealing or at least indicating spoilers (which most of you have read but because it's a rule not to I won't go there)

So i'll just say...this storyline could take a real nice turn at MITB (which i will be attending) and get people talking even MORE than we really are.

But Punk's promo last night was an excellent way of USING the IWC to further a storyline even though the 90% (to paraprhase Bischoff's 10% comment) may not know what's going on. Those 10% will be vocal enough to further the storyline and draw those 90% in.

 

[DarkLordFett]

I know I'm not the only one, I know there are others out there, but in all honesty, I can't stand Punk. Even as a face, his promos were all "poor pitiful me, I don't get used right, I get cheated". Blah, blah, blah. He's good in-ring, one of the top guys. But his mic work is stale. They remind me of Jericho at his most whiny. And Chris is one of the best on the mic there has ever been.

Will I miss Punk when he's gone? Nope. Do I think there's a void when he's gone? Yes. But the WWE is full of some major voids right now. It's just the phase the company is going through right now

 

[ahoyhoy]

I love the idea someone posted of not having Punk on tv till MITB and then having him come out the crowd, climb the winner and steal the briefcase. That would be crazy.

Also to whoever said that Punk will not have an audience if he doesn't sign is stupid. Punk was possibly the biggest name on the indie circuit before signing with WWE and has been a terrific heel since knocking Jeff Hardy out of the company - he didn't become a name on Monday's Raw. If he goes to ROH as their biggest heel, he is a smart guy who knows the business being booked by the best bookers in the game right now (Delirious and Cornette) and they should be able to use this as a long term jumping off point to take TNA's #2 spot.

 

[dwduck004]

Has anyone made reference to or offered some sort of explanation as to why Punk was wearing a Stone Cold t-shirt and not a Nexus/Punk shirt?

There are very few wrestlers that offer what CM Punk does. He is the perrenial all rounder. Doesn't look like a heavyweight, but handles heavyweight manouvres, doesn't look like a cruiserweight, but can fly and add the flair that they do. Add to that his incredible stick work and general demeanour in front of a live audience and you have something incredibly unique.

I'm praying that this is simply an angle or the beginning of a new WWE era.

 

[Dragon310]

Of course it's scripted, this is WWE. Nothing gets done without Vince and/or even Triple H knowing about. They probably rehearsed it, then told Punk to improvise. Either way it was GENIUS. I pray that WWE rolls with this and not fuck it up like they have in the past.

 

[WWWYKI777]

You know even Xpac said in his new video that even HE doesn't know if it was a shoot or a work and that we should just enjoy it and stop over-analyzing it

personally only reason I over analyze it is cause I want it to be a work so that his suspensin is fake

 

[givemetoro]

I couldn't help but think, during the entire "shoot" last night, about why he chose to wear a SCSA Shirt.

I'm more than likely reading way too into this, but hear me out...

What if this was Punks way of signalling that he is taking on a similar SCSA type character? (Obviously a sober approach )

He came out and called out the boss. He said whatever he wanted, he had a total rebellious moment. He was cut off the mic and the show ended, now, if he had been handcuffed and escorted out (Which I'm thinking we'll see) then that's totally got a SCSA vibe to it. And I felt it already had that vibe.

He is going to start acting as heelish as possible, and if the crowds continue to act like they did last night (I mean, he was directly insulting them and I still heard cheers.) then it could be a mega "Anti-Authority" face turn.

Maybe? Anyone?

 

[Weasel]

I think we have to remember this is Vince McMahon's WWE... so we may be in for a big letdown in the coming weeks no matter what happens...

actually I can picture Punk winning the title illegally in some way... and a pissed off Vince rushing to the ring as Punk celebrates.... Vince would yell at Cena and Punk.... then a big smile would come over his face.... and he would shake Punks hand and raise his arm....

Then on Monday, Vince would come out with Punk and announce that he had signed a new contract

 

[Loganity]

I really hope he is not leaving. He is head and shoulders above the rest in every way right now and I have not enjoyed commentary since he quit doing it. Above all else without him The New Nexus is left for dead.

 

[yoshi_doce2006]

THis is so awesome i hope it developes beyond belief, they have the enitre fan base raging on this!

No argument there, I've not been interested in the WWE since around 06, Punk is slowly drawing me back in because he is just that damn good. I was a WCW fan back in the late 90's and while I saw a lot of Stone Cold he didn't do nearly as much for me as Punk is. Punk is thinking mans anti-authority, a crafty bastard that can shoot with the best of them; and when I say the best of them I'm saying them as in the Flair's, Piper's, Anderson's, Blanchard's, Dusty Rhodes, true perfectionists on the stick.

People say punk is bland on the mic yet he doesn't come across as bland, Ric Flair said the same thing on the mic for 30 years but he made it count, he made you feel it, made you believe it, he lived what he spoke. So does punk. That draws me in, that makes me want to see him, make me feel what he is feeling. That is what makes him the best out there, not what he says, how he says it.

 

[GameOver]

I can feel a major swerve coming on and infact it’s Cena that’s taking time off.
It’s no secret he has alot of injuries he’s accrued throughout his time, and much like Edge may be risking permanent injuries if he doesn’t atleast heal up.

and have you noticed this past year they’ve been madly pushing other people instead of 98% Cena though he is still in the mix all the time it’s not totally a Cena show.

Face facts anyway, do you think WWE would allow a match to take place where someone who openly sais he hates the company and is leaving, will take the title with him when he wins. Not gonna happen, they’ve been burned too many times by people being given the ball and quiting b4.

All i can say is, it’s about F’N time. I’ve been a WWE fan since Hogan won his first WWF title in 1994 and even i can’t deny the Cena era is an embarrisment to what WWF/E had brought to the table upto that point. They basically spit in the face of those that put them on the map and gained new younger viewers and more business outside of the core product in the process but viewershp has plummeted.

Sure some of that is the global financial crisis and I can understand the business side, WWE is more global then ever b4 and encompasses more than just the wrestling product, but it shouldn’t come at the cost of destroying what people loved about WWF/E. Quality entertainment whether it was OMG wrestling matches or great storylines, the best personalities that had you believing.

And now all the best of the best are gone or leaving, they have been left with few quality “entertainers” and who is to blame? everyone backstage that has any say in the storylines, the pushes, the promo’s and it leads to one man Vince McMahon, until recently he was the only one who had any say, now atleast there is 2 other people with a voice in Triple H and Stephanie and Shane McMahon is back but he’s not in the wrestling side of it. i did notice as soon as Triple H was reported to be taking over control of talent development, the quality of the product started to get edgier and more wrestling, is this a sign? I hope so. So i dunno if he should be taking the blame for being that damn good and killing a product when it was Vince that had all the say.

Atleast 50% of the blame should go to rumour mills sites taking away all the mystery and making the industry stale and predictable, and as Punk said Vince is surrounded by ass kissers who just say yes sir you are god, instead of taking a stand and telling him he’s killing what he created and has no clue when it comes to wrestling entertainment anymore. Isn’t it ironic, at the end of WCW when they brought nWo over to WWE Vince cut promo’s saying he was gonna kill what he created by injecting the nWo, well it only took a few more years and his promo started to take shape.

CM Punk may have not been a work (i hope it was) it was the best promo in a decade, and whatever happens CM Punk has cemented himself as a legend in the sport in the last year. It wouldn’t be the first time someone was allowed to verbally bash WWE/Vince on air and still keep there job, It’s no secret Vince doesn’t mind looking the fool in storyline, if it’s in business however that’s completely different, regadless Hogan was allowed to let loose his feelings, HBK cut shreds into Vince when they were fueding, Bret Hart did the same thing CM Punk did and he still kept his job for several months til the Montreal Screwjob, Paul Heyman and Joey Styles were both allowed to rant, though they Joe got bumped off TV in the process, but he’s still working there.

Time for a change, Cena you did a good job of being a Hogan clone, keeping things moving while few people watched and being a workhorse but it’s time to let others share the burden.

 

[GrandSword]

Just saw the promo...

1/I think he said more than what he told Vince he would. Was it a work, yes, did he go too far I think so.

2/ Shoot promos are always great because they aren't someone trying to remmebr their lines but just bare their thoughts. I don't want to be a party pooper and say that Punk isn't a great mic worker, but Daniel Bryan and Rob Van Dam are shit on the mic but Bryan's shoot on Cole and RVD's shoot on Vince's talk about ECW were also great promos.


3/ The thing is a lot of the viewers wouldn't have a clue what he was talking about. John L is if ever rarely mentioned is called Johnny Ace by JR. Heyman is another they don't know, and then there is Colt Cabana. When he was in WWE he was Scott Goldman, no one knows who the hell that is... I don't even think any of them would know what NJPW is.


4/ Therefore it all has to be setting up for what was done with ECW's One NIght Stand when RVD faced Cena and Cena was booed out of the building... In his own home town, I'm sure it's going to be a very pro Punk crowd and a very anti Cena environment. It's all building to something like that..

5/ That is of course unless Punk did go too far with his creative licence and is suspended... Time will tell.

 

[Mr. Cash Cow]

Has to be said, that was one of the best promo's i have ever seen. It felt so real and edgy, and thats what the product has been lacking in recent years. I too can also see a huge swerve coming, possibly with Vince and Punk joining forces to screw Cena. His contract doesn't even offically run out till September, but only time will tell whats going to happen.

 

[Dragonslayer]

Hm this one is really interesting... to be honest, I didn't like Punk so much when he first came to WWE, when he was a face... but as heel, especially recently, he has been gold, and he definitely IS the best mic worker WWE has right now. The only one who could hold a candle to that would be Chris Jericho, but he's not there right now so... yeah. Here comes Punk.

Now anyway, I'm not gonna get too much into the "Is this a work/shoot?" discussion, since from my point of view, it obviously had to be a work - Punk talked for a very long time, the freakin' spotlight and cameras were all on him ALL the time... if ANYTHING out of what was precisely planned had occured, there would always have been some "panic button" to press, and Punk would've been cut off sooner and escorted out earlier. My opinion, anyways.

However, I'm pretty interested in where they want to take his character now, given he re-signs with WWE (which I suppose he has)... So he was wearing that Stone Cold shirt, and I can understand perfectly why... Because what Punk gave us last RAW was "shades of Stone Cold": He is a heel now, a villain, a bad guy, doing bad things... but with this promo, he gets you thinking. He basically explains WHY he is a bad guy (in keyfabe), and there he is mixing his gimmick with the "real" behind the scenes business, and in my opinion, he did it perfectly.

He basically explained that he does things the way he does them (heelish) because he feels he is doing a great job, probably better than anyone else, but doesn't get the recognition he deserves. And I'll be damned, but if THAT is not what Stone Cold was all about - a blue collar worker sticking it to his boss who didn't appreciate him/like him, and did everything he could to keep him down - I don't know what is.

And this, in turn, could even put him into a position quite similar to the one Stone Cold had at first... and they are REALLY firing up MITB with this. It'll be Punk's hometown crowd, so he'll naturally have more of his fans sitting there anyway. John Cena get's mixed reactions anyway as well, but he will still have the kids' support because he is the "good guy" and does "good guy" things... but Punk's part of the crowd will be larger than usual, and with this positioning of him now, the reactions between Punk and Cena will be even more mixed. It's interesting to see that WWE actually risks this, but I suppose they know that in Chicago, going against Punk, Cena will have a very hard time getting the crowd on his side anyway... so maybe they are testing the waters with this, to see if they can put Punk into a central role, much like Cena and Orton are now, who are undoubtedly the two hottest commodities WWE thinks they have now.

And they'll probably want to see if Punk can make a Stone Cold-esque character work in this day and age, and with the PG rating - because if there's one guy who can, it's Punk, given his stellar ability on the mic, and his usually very very good sense and knowledge of how far to go and what to say (and what not to say).

Because now, Punk has been "suspended" after basically saying that he feels ill-treated as an employee... and well, I suppose that if he comes back at one of the next shows, through the crowd or something, it could be setting up a sort of face turn, since people might get behind him for that - like they did when Vince continously tried to "fire" Stone Cold, but Austin always somehow managed to find a way back.

And as said, Punk is really mixing keyfabe stuff with real stuff here, and doing it well... so it's hard to tell how people will react to him. The kids will probably still cheer for Cena, because they cannot understand the reasoning behind Punk's character. But every adult/everyone who has ever worked for someone will understand this, just like they understood the Stone Cold character and LOVED Austin for it. So maybe WWE are trying to cultivate a new kind of star now, someone who is not as cookie-cutter as Cena, or even Orton (who has recently become REALLY face-ish), but who is somehow a bad guy, but a bad guy a certain demographic (the one that doesn't like the goody two-shoes characters of Cena and Orton or whoever else WWE wants to push as "real" faces) still sympathizes with and can get behind... Basically an Anticena, to be an antagonist to the true "faces", but still on the same level as them.

In any case, it's interesting to see WWE going through with this, as there was no real reason for them to do it... they could've just played it safe and done a run-of-the-mill heel vs face feud between Cena and Punk, with Punk leaving in the end and his threat of taking the WWE belt with him would've probably been enough to create a WWE standard feud for this day and age... but I, like many others, am pretty glad they went this way for a change, since it brought a breath of fresh air. But now it remains to be seen where they take it - in any case it's good to know that apparently, the WWE creative team hasn't totally lost ALL its spark.

 

[Shadow of Darkness]

Hell yah!

when you analize anything related with the unpredictible Stone Cold 3:16 Steve Austin, then take the advice from his biggest fan and that is ME.

you all seem to be to curious about Punk wearing SCSA shirt in the last RAW. Well i am here guys to solve ur curiosity.

It is per sure now that IT WAS ALL SCRIPTED. And you can get the flavour when you see punk wearing SCSA shirt.

now travel back in your past WWE Attitude era memories, remember what Austin did at that time. He introduce a inter company revolution against Vince. Austin became famous for that. And Punk...well let me remember, didnt plenty of u once said that Punk is WWE's new Austin. Well its seems like WWE has taken ur words as granted. They are trying to start a revolution by Punk against McMohan family just like Austin did against Vince in Attitude Era.

you know you missed another point-

why was WWE making past 3 RAWs very different?
i mean first week they brought Bret Hart, and second week we saw Austin was the special RAW GM, and third week a POWER TO PEOPLE Raw. Which finally came to fourth week with shoot of Punk.

didnt u got it?
WWE was keeping up the heat of the WWE Universe for this episode and so they did those previous 3 special episodes of RAW.

come on man, belive it Vince atlast is thinking for the attitude era fans. You know vince has always been Ruthless with an Attitude. He was fed of WWE becoming too simple and too predictible. He is obviously not going to end PG Era, but he is going bring some Attitude into this.

 

[mareek]

I understand what your saying shadow of darkenss, but I think its ridiculous for ppl to start comparing punk to austin. How about we just let cm punk be cm punk, is that so hard? And how about we stop mentioning the attitude era and punk ushering in a new one because no one wants to see that.

 

[WWWYKI777]

The only reason I beleive that this truly is just a really well done work is this one single fact

CM Punk has posted nothing on Twitter , if this was for real he would have gone apeshit on twitter , kind of how Chavo wrote like 20 tweets when he quit , except this would be even worse

So for that fact alone I gotta say this is looking to be a work yeah