Ziggler.... face, heel or tweener?

[chibet]

So we thought we saw alot of signs that dolph was turning face, tho his actions against y2j , and some recent interviews would say otherwise. If they wanted him a full fledged face I think a handshake moment between ziggler and y2j was the perfect time to make that clear. But instead y2j gets a zig zag. Will he have a heel vs heel match against del rio ? are they making him a tweener , what do you think ? I say tweener is perfect, someone the heel lovers can rally behind but also the face fans as well, ala, stone cold.

 

[dakikko049]

I think if Dolph shook Y2J's hand after Y2J gave him a codebreaker last week, it would make him, not so much a face, but just stupid. The ZigZag was to make Dolph look strong and sharp, and nothing more in my opinion, and I feel that was particularly evident when Chris Jericho left and went into a feud with Ryback nearly immediately.

I dont think he's a "tweener", because "tweeners" are stupid and don't exist, but I think his full face turn might just be a bit gradual, before MITB where he will get treated as a full face. I also believe that this is probably the best way to go about it.

 

[teddygreen17]

I'd say for the forseable future Dolph and Randy Orton should both be tweeners. Both of these individuals have something in common. They're so good at being bad; we love them. Plus they can really wrestle.

I think if Dolph shook Y2J's hand after Y2J gave him a codebreaker last week, it would make him, not so much a face, but just stupid. The ZigZag was to make Dolph look strong and sharp, and nothing more in my opinion, and I feel that was particularly evident when Chris Jericho left and went into a feud with Ryback nearly immediately.

I dont think he's a "tweener", because "tweeners" are stupid and don't exist, but I think his full face turn might just be a bit gradual, before MITB where he will get treated as a full face. I also believe that this is probably the best way to go about it.

tweeners do exist but not in today's wwe because they can't book them properly (as they are more difficult to book) and there are only a few guys who can actually pull it off.

 

[JustAnotherJames]

So we thought we saw alot of signs that dolph was turning face, tho his actions against y2j.

I'd say that was a little payback to the Code Breaker Y2J gave Ziggler on Smackdown.

I wouldn't say he was a fully fledged face until AJ and Big E turn on him, which I think will happen after MITB. Right now I'd say he was a tweener but I can really see a face turn, its something he hasn't done yet (well not that I'm aware of) and I think he's capable of being a great face.

 

[byrnside]

Every time I hear the word "tweener" I cringe a little bit more. It's been done to death so many times. I think they're going for a more organic turn for Ziggler. True, a lot of people are and have been cheering him for a while now, but not the kiddies yet. This seems like more of an old school way to turn him, rather than like they did with Miz and Del Rio having them just come out one day pretty much claiming they had changed their ways. Ziggler's going to have to "earn" the crowds respect, it's not something that can be done overnight. Having said that, Jericho and Ziggler's feud goes way back in that regard. Eventually there will be a big moment where he will officially be face, but for now I think they're doing just fine with what they're doing. Besides, AJ and Big E. are still heels and Dolph is still aligned with them.

 

[Janmara]

He is still a face, regardless of what he did. i think it was just a little payback there not going to follow up on it becuase y2j is facing ryback

 

[JustAnotherJames]

Every time I hear the word "tweener" I cringe a little bit more.

I've been watching wrestling since 1992 but lets say I had more of an understanding in 93 and I've never heard the phrase tweener been used until now haha. I would have just said ''he was neutral''.

 

[HBsam31]

I have seen a lot made of the Zigzag on Jericho, and the bottom line is Jericho gave Ziggler the Codebreaker the week before, and Ziggler was just getting a little payback. I am not sure how this affects his character at all. If my best friend punched me in the face I would return the favor. It doesn't mean we aren't still friends. I think Ziggler's face turn is just moving a bit slow, and his actions on Raw really don't mean all that much in the grand scheme.

 

[MCMG]

It is still difficult to say which is a very good thing. The WWE want to keep him intriguing to the audience and this is a way of doing just that.

I think the WWE needs faces and Ziggler would certainly help that situation. The odds of heel v heel at MITB is the right choice. I really don't think that type of feud will work but they could keep him face until after MITB and then turn him heel. That obvious benefits is that the feud make sense and that Del Rio has had more time to become a credible heel.

Tweener is interesting. I suppose the idea of letting the fans pick whether they boo or cheer Ziggler and it may be dependent on whom he feuds with. It probably won't work in the long run but it may work for a few months.

 

[AmerikanWolves619]

I've been watching wrestling since 1992 but lets say I had more of an understanding in 93 and I've never heard the phrase tweener been used until now haha. I would have just said ''he was neutral''.

The WWE should have used Cesaro in the role of Neutral (get it?!) HA!
It is really hard to pull off the "tweener" character without the support of the crowds' reaction. We all know Austin pulled it off to a T; Ziggles is still finding his path with the gimmick that he has been working on for the past year. He needs more experience to develope himself as a stronger character/gimmick before taking on a "bipolar" role as a tweener.

 

[2Sweet_4Life]

I think what they've done is excellent, they've made him a babyface who has heel tendancies and doesn't behave like every other sh*tbag wrestler babyface who comes out smiling and shaking hands as you say with other babyfaces. He wants the title back and the crowd are behind him as they feel sorry for him after Payback. I think he'll get crowd support as smart fans love him already and like I say he's not just an average babyface as he attacks both heel's and babyfaces because he wants the title. I don't want him to start coming out and shaking hands that just makes him boring . We need more Rock's and Austin's who fight for themselves and beat up anybody to win the title.

 

[Trey Kennedy]

Any thoughts:
My opinion is that WWE done a great job in the double turn at Payback! I personally would have gone done the line as Dolph to win MITB again! but, this storyline could also work! ... Dolph as a face unite with Kaitlyn over the next few months! lose the match at MITB either by Del Rio being DQ etc: Wins a rematch at Summerslam! Then turn on Kaitlyn and re - joins AJ stating it was all a plan to win WHC! ...

 

[CmPunker]

nowadays, wwe creative is on crack or they are monkeys and only think about black and white.. so no chance ziggler will be a tweener. look what happened to sheamus and del rio when they were faces man. first they started out badass, then they turned into a smiling, generic, boring, bland babyface. hope fully they dont do the same to dolph ziggler, by turning him into a smiling, generic babyface.

 

[bioshock]

Don't forget when Austin was at his peak, he didn't like anyone, he would give the "top face" a stunner just as if he would the top heel.

And plus wasn't it coming off Smackdown where Y2J did the codebreaker to Ziggler, and he was just returning the favor. Makes sense to attack him. Fans are going to like Ziggler no matter at this point, fans who didn't like him before, I'm guessing those would be kids that still like Cena would boo, but most any fans over 16 are going to like Ziggler, heel tweener, or face, it doesn't matter.

 

[Olly]

To me "tweener" just means someone who often acts like a heel but has the crowd (almost unanimously) cheering for him regardless. They should also be a lone wolf. Not many people fill the description - obviously you've got SCSA, Punk in 2011, Undertaker from time to time. It's more defined by crowd reaction than how anyone is booked though. If Ziggler is booked as a heel or "tweener" but the crowd cheers for him against a heel or a face, then he's a tweener.

 

[Ol'Canucklehead]

It's my belief that he will be kept in between for the time being and possibly fully turn after his match with Y2J. I think AJ and Big E are going to have an affair and turn on Ziggler giving him the sympathy he needs. They have been spending a lot of time together.

 

[Mustang Sally]

I don't see Dolph as a 'tweener; he seems like an all-or-nothing type of performer. He's been nothing but a bad guy all along and it's seemed a change would be a good thing for him. I believe the company has planned for him to be champion for a long, long time.....and even while they took their sweet time getting him there, management decided to develop the main eventers that would take us into the next decade.....and Dolph was going to be one of them. I feel Vince believed in his own star-making abilities and told his staff: "We'll tell the fans who they're gonna like, and they'll fall in line."

For someone like Dolph, who doesn't seem to possess much individual character magnetism, I don't know that the fans would know what to do with him as a 'tweener. He's got to be totally good or totally bad, imo.

It looked as if the face turn was right around the corner, then he pulls the attack (or retribution) on Chris Jericho. I don't believe this hitch means Dolph won't be turning face; I think they're trying to accomplish it in stages......with the final stanza coming when Big E and A.J. fully turn on him. Since those two are nobody's idea of good guys, their betrayal will seal the deal and get the fans cheering Dolph.

So, to answer the question asked in this topic.....I say, face.

 

[CmPunker]

I don't see Dolph as a 'tweener; he seems like an all-or-nothing type of performer. He's been nothing but a bad guy all along and it's seemed a change would be a good thing for him. I believe the company has planned for him to be champion for a long, long time.....and even while they took their sweet time getting him there, management decided to develop the main eventers that would take us into the next decade.....and Dolph was going to be one of them. I feel Vince believed in his own star-making abilities and told his staff: "We'll tell the fans who they're gonna like, and they'll fall in line."

For someone like Dolph, who doesn't seem to possess much individual character magnetism, I don't know that the fans would know what to do with him as a 'tweener. He's got to be totally good or totally bad, imo.

It looked as if the face turn was right around the corner, then he pulls the attack (or retribution) on Chris Jericho. I don't believe this hitch means Dolph won't be turning face; I think they're trying to accomplish it in stages......with the final stanza coming when Big E and A.J. fully turn on him. Since those two are nobody's idea of good guys, their betrayal will seal the deal and get the fans cheering Dolph.

So, to answer the question asked in this topic.....I say, face.

Why the fuck was he getting dominated when he had the MITB briefcase? why the fuck was he getting dominated during his 2nd WHC run.. i remmeber him tapped out to del rio, when ziggler was the fucking CHAMPION. they purposely made him vulnerable and weak so that when he wins, it will generate shock. i think this is a really bad way of doing things in the long run because if ziggler keeps on losing his matches, then nobody will care. they will be like, who cares, ziggler already lost, i dont care if he lose again. but if he wins all matches, then everybody will beg to see him lose. but wwe did not do that, they make him lose all matches when he had the MITB briefcase.. so fucking stupid if u ask me. now they are turning him face, i cant wait to see what stupid decision they will do. in 2 months MAXIMUM, he will turn into smiling generic babyface just like sheamus.

 

[chibet]

i totally understand all your points on the retaliation zig zag and you guys are right. I'm pretty confused with the direction of ziggler but it is noticeable that he has been seen less and less with AJ and Big E. , plus AJ's " love bites " shirt may be a sign of where her character is going, not needing a guy to get over.

 

[Rebecca Trinity]

I think they're still waiting to see how the crowd reacts to him. If played right, he could be big as punk in the future.

 

[saxile]

I would rather see Zigs as a tweener, but knowing WWE they wouldn't know how to book it right and screw him up, so they'll most likely have him as a face. Now don't get me wrong I don't think Ziggler would make a good face but that would take major tweaks to his character, he couldn't really be "The Show Off" as a face, I've never really see that cocky of a true face, but his show off character could be built as a true tweener as can CM Punk's character.

 

[BillAlfonsos_Whistle]

Ziggler's best bet for full success in the WWE is to be an HBK-esque face. Bravado but not arrogance. The problem with current Wrestling is that Ziggler already has won championships and can't play out the "boyhood dream" angle that propelled HBK.

I think the best thing for him would be to drop the match to Del Rio and drop out of the title picture for a while. Gain momentum again by putting on great matches with Bryan, Orton, Punk, whoever. Have him cut promos about not wanting to win illegitimately and wanting to prove himself on the largest stage before the Royal Rumble. Have him win it and challenge Cena for the WWE title and win it at WM 30. If they really want to get Ziggler over as a main eventer with credibility this is the kind of thing they have to do.