The way you guys are talking, The Ultimate Warrior should have won this tournament every year. Not true.
He should, he was fucking awesome, its just those blinkered heathens that think Mr. Perfect is a legendary performer cant see it.
Anyways, did you guys not watch Brock Lesnar vs. John Cena just this Sunday? Now tell me, what the fuck could Warrior possibly do to Cena to keep him down that Lesnar didn't? A splash? Give me a break.
Cena was kept down by a Rock Bottom at WrestleMania, a Batista Bomb at Summerslam, this splash has beaten some of the all time greats, if its good enough for Hogan, it's good enough for Cena, it's good enough for anybody.
So the kayfabe argument, I believe, goes to Cena. It's close, but the edge goes to Cena because he has TONS more experience in cage matches and we've seen him beat too many all time greats too many times in too many high profile matches. Warrior has two great wins his entire career, and the rest were all against mid-level heels who could never won the WWF Championship. Why should I believe a guy like that could beat a guy like John Cena in a cage match?
Just gonna say it, experience in a certain type of match is about as relevant as my penis, everybody brings it up as an arguing point but in truth its not even slightly important. The better man wins, regardless.
Who cares about how many title changes there have been in this era compared to back then? It was a whole different ball game. If Cena, Angle, Orton and others were around back then, they would have long title runs just like the old WWE used to see. Doesnt mean that one guy should beat the other based on who held the title longer.
His point, you silly goose, is that these "mid card heels" that Warrior beat, would have been World Champions in this day and age. Not hard to see it really, some of them were fantastic.
Warrior lost to Savage in the cage folks. Fact. He also won against Rude, but it was close.
So he's proven that he wins cage matches as well, interference cost him the one against Savage. Lets look at marquee matches, Warrior vs Hogan, Warrior vs Savage. Warrior won them both. Cena vs Batista, Cena vs Rock, Cena lost them both, if this is the route we go down, then its safe to say that Warrior is a better big time performer than Cena. This is a big time match.
Cena has lost some matches surrounded in a cage, but has won his fair share as well. He has fought in cages, HIAC and the EC. That is experience and his matches in the cages were not only better, he beat a more than a few guys as well. Plus he is no stranger to a tough environment having been in LMS, I Quit and Extreme rules matches. Warrior has not. John Cena has proven he is a tough SOB when it comes down to it.
Warrior has proven that he is the toughest SOB.
Fact. He just beat Brock Lesnar at Extreme Rules. He got tore up worse than I have seen in a guy get beat on in years and he won. Against Brock fn Lesnar. Someone that would wipe the floor with Warrior.
Now your just being a tool.
Cant believe I am about to do this....
Cena wins this. Why? Because he has made me sick over the years beating top guy after top guy. Yea, his armor was dented with the loss to Rock, but how many times has he lost big like that? HHH, Batista (yea Cena has whooped his ass multiple times), Orton, Edge etc. The list goes on of top guys Cena has beaten. I used to hate Cena. After the last 2-3 years, I think he has well earned his spot among the best ever. He has shown he knows more than the '5 moves of doom' and he can go with the best of them today. His match with Punk amazed me at how good he can be. Yes he did lose, but wow what a match. Cena has also well proven he can take a huge, bloody beating and still come out on top.
Warrior Smash! Warrior Smash Everybody! He's a marquee man. This is a marquee match.
Warrior was great back then but his career was much, much shorter than Cena's. Why? Because Cena isnt a whiny bitch and has proven- win or lose, he is here to stay and fight.
Warrior held out for more money, a very, very commendable thing to do in the circumstances, especially back then, pro wrestling uses people up and shits them out, Warrior knows this, so he wanted to make sure that he had enough to be getting by on. You know who's broke? Destitute and a fucking joke? Ric Flair, you know who's living comfortably? Ultimate Warrior.
Fuck pro-wrestling though, seriously. Why should anybody respect it? A "fake sport" where if you dont shake that ******** Undertakers hand you get heat on you backstage, most of its legends are broke and working indy shows with sick ***** who like to powerbomb each other through glass just to get by. Nah, Warrior gets it, he's one of the very few that does, he's healthy, rich and happy. Cena wins no points for respecting a sport that if he didnt make it money, wouldnt give a shit about him, when he's a beat up old relic like Stone Cold and Hulk Hogan, and Warrior still has both his own hips and a properly working neck, I know who shoe's I'd rather fill.
Regardless, Cena has the better record. Its not rocket science but Cena won and against multiple guys in one match (EC). That is better than a so-so tiny record against one at a time. In fact I will hold Cenas victory at EC over all the Warriors cage matches combined. Many would probably agree with me there.
In the here and now, John Cena is facing a heavily muscled, super babyface, legend, in the here and now, that Elimination Chamber means as much as a wank in the sink.
He still won, regardless of how you spin it. And yes Lesnar would wipe the floor with Warrior. Lesnar is stronger, faster, better on the mat, bat shit crazy and has a history of beating the top faces during his time. Quite similar to Cena on how his career has been with 'Super Cena' beating tons of the top guys in his generation. Cena got his ass handed to him and still beat Lesnar and that was with Lesnar going off and gaining experience in RL UFC fights\training. Brock brought his wrestling skill and his UFC training to Cena and he still lost. What the hell does Warrior have that even compares to that? A few clotheslines and a splash?
This isnt a shoot fight, Lesnar is a skidmark compared to Warrior. Those few clotheslines and a splash have put down everyone Warrior has ever faced, every single one. In pro-wrestling, those few clotheslines and a splash are some of the most devastating things you could ever be hit by.
clap....clap....clap.... So he had a small amount of matches that went longer than usual. Doesnt change the fact he won roughly 90% of those in squash matches against lesser opponents. Around 1\4 of his matches were from his 'return' to WWE and his 'ressurection' in WCW. Not really great runs or real competition. Cena has over 2x as many wins as Warrior and counting. Why? Because he is better.
Because he's been wrestling longer. Warrior is happily retired now.
Tell me why Warrior wins again?
Because of his stellar record in cage matches? Or maybe because he made no sense on the mic? How about the fact that he clings to memories of his one victory over Hogan just like some others do?
Warrior could fart into a microphone for ten minutes and people would fucking love it, watch his most recent promo, the guy understands fans, he knows what to do, he is a fantastic promo man. He wins this match, because he is one of the greatest pro wrestlers ever. This is a battle of the Titans, Warrior wins on such occasions.
Batista was very close to exactly what Warrior was in the ring. A muscle bound idiot that was crap on the mic yet people loved for some reason because he shakes ropes and can lift guys over his head. Well guess what.... Cena beat the crap out of Batista (a few times) and he took his ball and went home.
Face vs face, Summerslam, Batista won. Batista was good as well you know.
He certainly could, Warrior would win it though.