WWE Hot-Shotting The Two Major Titles

[Yesiamaduck]

Well for the 3rd PPV in a row we see both major titles change hands and I can't help but shake the feeling that the WWE currently have no idea/faith in anyone on their roster to hold the title for extended periods. I don't think I've been able to say 'Thats a strong title run' since Kane & Edge in 2010. They really need to put stock in their champions, we don't all have ADD it'll benefit them if they actually let someone hold the belt for a bit and doing so in a convincing fashion... this is how you create stars.

What are your thoughts?

 

[GameOver]

or maybe they are hinting that the competition is so tough at the moment it's almost impossible to retain.
Henry has never won a title, why not grant him 1 and one would assume it should atleast get a couple of PPV's out of his run and then drop it in December or at the Rumble. then they got plenty of time to build up WrestleMania

Cena, well you knew it was obvious he was gonna regain, he's gotta be the champ at Mania and they've just given him a bonus 2 title notches in just a few months. Soon he'll be at Triple H's mark and heading for Flair..

the one that sucked was Kelly Kelly retaining, i mean common stop saying Diva's are better.

and give John Morrison a break lol he was so on his HBK game he deserved it, just glad Swagger didn't win.

as for This is how you create stars. Um the people that had the titles were already stars. Orton isn't gonna get any more star power, and Del Rio isn't exactly getting over is he granted it was only 1 month but that's better then no time at all like WrestleMania where he was meant to win but Edge retained as a going away present.

 

[The Hardcore Kid]

The Miz had an amazingly strong run in late 2010/early 2011, don't know why you didn't mention that.

del Rio should have never won if they were gonna just give it back to Cena. I don't see the Cena/del Rio feud continuing...it was so weak and out of left field. I don't mind Henry winning, though. Orton's reign wasn't amazingly long, but it was long enough to make Henry seem really credible by snatching it from him.

 

[Wade's Public Transit Bomb]

Over on the blue brand, Orton and Christian hasn't helped move numbers at all. No harm in seeing what Mark Henry could do when back in 2009 when he was used prominently, he was a ratings movers. Er.. good ratings, Nancy Negative. Add the fact that Mark Henry has been breaking legs and killing jobbers.. I seriously cannot understand why people would not want him to be the champ. Esp those asswipes who complain about 'credibility.'

On Raw, Del Rio was a flop. They tried everything they could to get him some crowd reaction. He just wasn't interesting as a chaser or holder. When someone who was there live talks about how no one gave a damn.. Man, that is Divas level embarrassing. Heck, I think people were saying they cared more about the divas title match than the WWE title match. Yikes.

Bottom line, Mark Henry has been on a fucking roll lately and Del Rio just wasn't cutting it. I don't know what is so hard to understand.

 

[SaveUsCMPunk]

I think Cena will probably equal the number of title reigns Flair has by Mania next year. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if he surpasses that number in a year's time. Since a lot of wrestlers consider Flair "best ever" and the "higher-ups" in WWE could possibly still be pissed at Flair for wrestling in TNA, that would be WWE's way of saying Cena is the greatest of all time. (Of course, anyone with any sense knows that Cena isn't on the level of all time greats like Stone Cold, The Rock, Undertaker, etc.)

I'm not thrilled at all with the hot potato-ing of the top two titles. I just hope they don't have Mark Henry immediately drop the title to Orton at HIAC. If anyone should get the title off of Henry, it should be Kane or Big Show. I'm not a fan of Cena, but leave the damn title on him for awhile.

 

[justavictim82]

Over on the blue brand, Orton and Christian hasn't helped move numbers at all. No harm in seeing what Mark Henry could do when back in 2009 when he was used prominently, he was a ratings movers. Er.. good ratings, Nancy Negative. Add the fact that Mark Henry has been breaking legs and killing jobbers.. I seriously cannot understand why people would not want him to be the champ. Esp those asswipes who complain about 'credibility.'

On Raw, Del Rio was a flop. They tried everything they could to get him some crowd reaction. He just wasn't interesting as a chaser or holder. When someone who was there live talks about how no one gave a damn.. Man, that is Divas level embarrassing. Heck, I think people were saying they cared more about the divas title match than the WWE title match. Yikes.

Bottom line, Mark Henry has been on a fucking roll lately and Del Rio just wasn't cutting it. I don't know what is so hard to understand.

I call bullshit on Del Rio.... lets look at the timeline shall we?:

January: Del Rio wins RR... slightly over
February: Del Rio is built for WM, beats Kofi and builds heat
March: continue the build to WM, beats Christian on SD.... getting even more heat.
April: loses to Edge at WM.... loses steam after 3 month build.
May: loses to Christian at ER... kills him even farther never gets a rematch
June: Beats Big Show after Henry lays him out... builds some steam
July: Wins Raw MITB ladder match after ripping Rey's mask off... good heat

Now I'm going to go over the last month in detail:

SS: Loses a meaningless 6 man because Rey is hurt and cannot work a singles match... no big deal. Cashs in MITB to beat Punk... Major Heat!

The following Raw: Cuts the opening promo with Cena and Punk. Cena kills his 'Aristocrat' gimmick... kills ALOT of his heat because Del Rio wasn't allowed to make the crowd believe him and therefore made him look weak.

The following 3 weeks on Raw: Runs in on 3 Cena matches... lays him out in 2 of them and gets chased off on the other... builds a bit of heat back.

NoC: Loses to Cena and drops the WWE Championship you have spend most of the year building him to hold... devastating....

While Edge's injury hurt him after WM, they did nothing important with him other than to job to Christian, who was made to look like a transitional champion 2 days later... move him to Raw and do nothing for almost 2 months. Then you build him yet again at MITB only to kill his character a night later. Its not Del Rio's fault he couldn't keep his heat.. its creative's

 

[Wade's Public Transit Bomb]

I call bullshit on Del Rio.... lets look at the timeline shall we?:

January: Del Rio wins RR... slightly over
February: Del Rio is built for WM, beats Kofi and builds heat
March: continue the build to WM, beats Christian on SD.... getting even more heat.
April: loses to Edge at WM.... loses steam after 3 month build.
May: loses to Christian at ER... kills him even farther never gets a rematch
June: Beats Big Show after Henry lays him out... builds some steam
July: Wins Raw MITB ladder match after ripping Rey's mask off... good heat

Yeah. They should've stopped in June if he wasn't getting over.. Which he wasn't.

SS: Loses a meaningless 6 man because Rey is hurt and cannot work a singles match... no big deal. Cashs in MITB to beat Punk... Major Heat!

Having actually ordered Summerslam, Imma call b.s. on you. His win got little reaction. Esp compared to previous MiTB winners.

The following Raw: Cuts the opening promo with Cena and Punk. Cena kills his 'Aristocrat' gimmick... kills ALOT of his heat because Del Rio wasn't allowed to make the crowd believe him and therefore made him look weak.

Don't blame that on Cena. If a guy goes around with expensive looking suits and a new car every show and he can't get people to believe he is a rich bastard, that is his fault.

The following 3 weeks on Raw: Runs in on 3 Cena matches... lays him out in 2 of them and gets chased off on the other... builds a bit of heat back.

Is that why the match a little to absolutely no buzz going into it?

NoC: Loses to Cena and drops the WWE Championship you have spend most of the year building him to hold... devastating....

And my friend who was at the show said he heard a fart from a few rows back when Del Rio came out. Your point?

Del Rio couldn't get himself over. You can't really blame the booking on that because you just listed why it has been so good to him. You really can't blame that on the fact that he is new because we've seen guys like Wade Barrett get MASSIVE heat without all em fancy accomplishments.

 

[LegendKiller716]

I was glad Henry won, but I didn't think Orton would drop the strap so soon after he won it. I'm starting to think they want Orton and Cena both at 15 or 16 title reigns so they can have a champion vs champion match where the winner ties or breaks the record. I think Orton and Henry will play hot potato with the belt a little more.

Henry winning made sense because Big Show and Kane will eventually come back and that is 2 more rivalries that already have ground work laid. As for Cena winning, I hope he looses it back to Del Rio, but I think they just want Cena to be holding the strap at Survivor Series to brag about it to The Rock.

 

[Matisyahu]

Del Rio just seems out of place on Raw because you have guys like Cena and Punk who pretty much make him look like a fool on the mic. I mean a few weeks back when they were all three in the ring Del Rio didn't even say a but instead stood there looking like an idiot while Cena and Punk made it clear that their feud was way more important than anything with Del Rio. I really thought he was better off on Smackdown where the wrestling does the talking. Raw is predominantly promo based whereas Smackdown has the better matches.

The problem is that Del Rio has only just begun to actually say something other than " My name....my name is Alberto Del Riiiiiiiio...but you already know that." or "*Its my destiny to *fill in the blank* " So in that respect, he doesn't stand a chance on Raw where guys like Cena, Miz, Punk, etc. speak for 15-20 mins at a time and do a fairly good job at it.


I say throw the guy back on Smackdown and have him start fresh by feuding with Orton who is a big name talent but again his promos aren't the best but his ring work levels it out. To me Del Rio seemed like a huge star on Smackdown and I knew the second he came to Raw that it was going to be a clusterfuck. He needs to just stay on Smackdown and rebuild some credibility.

I for one am absolutely shocked and happy as hell that Mark Henry won the World Title. And the best thing is he beat Orton fair and square. There is no way they'd let him beat Cena cleanly. I hope to god they let him continue to destroy everyone in his path for awhile because its really nice to see Henry finally get a heavyweight belt besides the ECW title which will probably never be spoken of again other than in a Punk work-shoot. To me its a well deserved and refreshing to finally have a Monster Heel again that everyone looks legitamately scared to face rather than someone like Miz who I liked by the way but it just seems to me they made him always look like he was always on the verge on losing his title. I am so sick of the cowardly heel type.

Crossing my fingers that they keep this thing going on Smackdown. As far as Cena goes...I know they want him to be THE top superstar given his eventual match with The Rock who himself was the top talent in his own right for awhile. But I dont really see the need for him to be the champion to be viewed as the number one guy because he's won it so many times now its really just pointless. Cena has reached the level whether any one likes it or not of guys like Austin, Rock, Hogan, HHH, etc. where he doesn't NEED to be the champion for everyone to know he is the top draw. I know he isn't on their level as far as technical ability but he is the new face of the WWE period.

 

[BulletVonAwesome]

Del rio's only chance at getting over,in my eyes at least, is to stop forcing him down our throats and just let him have some matches. There pushing too hard and we're rejecting it because of that.

We're po'd at lack of pushing elsewhere with guys we prefer and don't like rio because our faves are overlooked.

Stop pushing him and we'll have a "swagger/morrison style "reaction to him.....where we all go in unison "This guy could main event".

 

[justavictim82]

Yeah. They should've stopped in June if he wasn't getting over.. Which he wasn't.

Agreed, but then it was Creative's fault for a good 3 month build and then not have him win at Extreme Rules or at least give him some carrot after WM.

Having actually ordered Summerslam, Imma call b.s. on you. His win got little reaction. Esp compared to previous MiTB winners.

He would have had he not been destroyed in April-June... then you have his team lose at SS and him get Punk'd (pun intended)with one kick at MiTB.

Don't blame that on Cena. If a guy goes around with expensive looking suits and a new car every show and he can't get people to believe he is a rich bastard, that is his fault.

So spending alot of time and money on a gimmick that you established for a better part of a year killed in one 15 minute promo is Del Rio's fault. There was no reason for it other than get a pop for Cena after SS... I'd even concede it if Punk buried him because it would have fit his 'Pipe bomb' on the mic gimmick. Cena had no reason to bury his gimmick and now Del Rio now looks even more bland and unimpressive. Might as well release him because you killed him.

Is that why the match a little to absolutely no buzz going into it?

Obviously it had no steam because they killed Del Rio's character right after SS. After that, I kind of knew Cena was going to win NoC. You cannot have the champ not be able to draw.

And my friend who was at the show said he heard a fart from a few rows back when Del Rio came out. Your point?

Well when Del Rio comes out flustered after Cena stole his 'car' and he comes down screaming at Rodriguez I half expected as much. The crowd did not know what the hell was going on. Then you have Cena come out with the car and cut a quick promo trying to work heat with Del Rio's exposed gimmick. The crowd isnt that stupid and everyone there has seen a raw in the last month where they have systematically killed the gimmick. Of course you have no reaction

Del Rio couldn't get himself over. You can't really blame the booking on that because you just listed why it has been so good to him. You really can't blame that on the fact that he is new because we've seen guys like Wade Barrett get MASSIVE heat without all em fancy accomplishments.

Again bullshit. While I agree with you that I think Barrett is a better natural heel than Del Rio, when they buried the Nexus... HE GOT NOTHING! Even with the Corre angle, he got zero reation from the crowd. Barrett came in with a better gimmick and was over until Super Cena killed the Nexus angle and Punk took it over and even he couldnt save it. Another classic example of how Creative killed a good gimmick in the last year.

 

[DeathClutch]

Orton dropping the belt to Henry was and is a smart move.
Henry has been somewhat of a joke for a while now and in 2008 WWE started to build him up a monster only to pull the plug on him. Now he's got the right groove going.
His Hall of Pain, the fact he's dominated big guys and taken them out not your standard bully who backs off from the big guys and Orton made Henry look monsterous.

Cena winning the WWE title is and was ******ED.
WWE spent too much time on Alberto to kill his gimmick and persona in 5 weeks.
Cena is starting to get the HHH from 2003-04 treatment that cans see him as politicing his to keeping the belt on him Rey, Del Rio. WWE should hold the belt off of Cena he simply doesn't need it at this point and him mooching the belt at every opportunity is hurting guys in the long run.

 

[JGlass]

The WWE title situation is confusing and to an extent I can agree that the argument can be made that the title has been experiencing hot shots.

Anyone who thinks the WHC was hot-shotted to Henry is an idiot. Henry is an unstoppable beast, and the second someone pins him is the second he loses his monster label. Even a DQ win for Orton would have slowed Henry's momentum down, and with how successful he's been, there's absolutely no reason to take that risk.

 

[itssoeasy123]

The World Heavyweight Championship has been changed hand 5 times since Edge had to retire it. But, I'm happy to know that Mark Henry is now World Champion, and it's been a long time coming. This guy worked on everything he had, and finally found the right gimmick, of being a dominate monster.

The WWE Championship also changed hand 5 times in 1 month. Punk, Cena, Punk, Del Rio, and now Cena again. I really don't understand the reason to take the belt off of Del Rio so fast, even see as though Vince really liked Del Rio, and he was in line for a Championship reign for a long time. It's just doesn't make sense when you think about it, they build this guy up so much, give him the Royal Rumble win, a World Championship Match at Wrestlemania, the Money in the Bank, and then finally the WWE Championship, But, after less than a month, he already lost it? Sure, the rating's have been going slightly down, but that doesn't mean to just put the belt back no Cena, after pretty much a half-year build of another guy. Then, there's the people who say "he's not over," but a win over John Cena, even dirty, would've made him over, and seem like a legit threat, not some Mexican JBL who can't win fairly.

I'm a fan of Cena holding the guard and being the WWE Champion. I was also a fan of Dle Rio being WWE Champion I was not a fan of the decision they made last night at Night of CHampions, which like the main-event, is a huge head scratcher.

 

[Workrate]

Henry winning the title was a stroke of brilliance as far as I'm concerned. How often do guys wait 15 years and then finally capture the title as a dominant, bad ass heel? And they've already set Christian and Sheamus up as challengers, with Orton obviously right there too. I wasn't bothered by that.

Putting the title back on Cena is a little bit frustrating, not necessarily because "omg cena always wins", but because it instantly deflates all the work they've done with Del Rio (even if he wasn't getting a reaction) and, in my mind at least, negates everything back as far as Money in the Bank. It's kind of like they took one long detour to leave the title where it was in the first place.

 

[I_Am_Electro_Boy]

I'm starting to think they want Orton and Cena both at 15 or 16 title reigns so they can have a champion vs champion match where the winner ties or breaks the record.

Interesting, I think this is what could be happening. Maybe it's not to show that it's hard to keep the title, maybe it's not because they can't rely on anyone maybe the reason that the World Titles keep changing hand with Orton and Cena and whoever else is simply to have a huge match (possibly at 'Mania) with Cena and Orton to beat the record for the most World Titles and in doing so WWE will be getting back at Flair for going to TNA by simply defeating his title reign record and I guess it'll really piss Flair off.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

uhh...so. Ever watch the attitude era? It was way worse. These title changes make sense. WWE doesn't have some obligation to keep a title on a guy for months to "build credibility" or some other bullshit reason that doesn't actually work.

 

[The Suplexer Perfecter]

uhh...so. Ever watch the attitude era? It was way worse. These title changes make sense. WWE doesn't have some obligation to keep a title on a guy for months to "build credibility" or some other bullshit reason that doesn't actually work.

People seem to forget that many things they complain about now, also happened during the era they always praise and wish would come back.

Hell, during the glorious Attitude Era they'd hot shot the WWE title as well. How many times did Rock and Mankind exchange the title? Or for Triple H's first 4 reigns of him losing it and winning it back?

You had 11 WWE title changes in 1999 for example (12 if you count Mankind's first win even though it was on tape delay).

I think having a title reign last shorter than one day is far worse than a month. Winning it than immediately losing it just makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[Wade's Public Transit Bomb]

So spending alot of time and money on a gimmick that you established for a better part of a year killed in one 15 minute promo is Del Rio's fault. There was no reason for it other than get a pop for Cena after SS... I'd even concede it if Punk buried him because it would have fit his 'Pipe bomb' on the mic gimmick. Cena had no reason to bury his gimmick and now Del Rio now looks even more bland and unimpressive. Might as well release him because you killed him.

So, what is Del Rio's character? He is a rich bastard who prattles on about how becoming champion is his destiny. Thus, when he became champion is when his really got 'killed.' Sprinkle on the fact that there was absolutely no progression or significant change made after he won the belt.. If character dies in 'one promo,' then it wasn't that strong to began with.

Obviously it had no steam because they killed Del Rio's character right after SS. After that, I kind of knew Cena was going to win NoC. You cannot have the champ not be able to draw.

Again, how is it Cena's fault? Del Rio must of had a shitty character before they 'killed' him if one run of a mill promo by John Cena does him in.

Well when Del Rio comes out flustered after Cena stole his 'car' and he comes down screaming at Rodriguez I half expected as much. The crowd did not know what the hell was going on. Then you have Cena come out with the car and cut a quick promo trying to work heat with Del Rio's exposed gimmick. The crowd isnt that stupid and everyone there has seen a raw in the last month where they have systematically killed the gimmick. Of course you have no reaction

I'll admit I didn't see the show. But I seriously doubt every time Del Rio comes out to crickets it is because it is because the crowd is confused. Del Rio has a pretty straight forward character.



While others pegged him as a JBL ripoff, I can totally see how the Del Rio character can work. The problem is that the guy playing it (I don't know his real name) isn't making it work. It is a lot like in the NFL: If the QB gets a play from the coach, it is up to the QB to make it a touchdown or at least a gain of yards. After all, the QB is the one getting the glory if the play is successful. Or the blame if it fucks up (looking at you Romo).

 

[mjpmadechicago]

The following 3 weeks on Raw: Runs in on 3 Cena matches... lays him out in 2 of them and gets chased off on the other... builds a bit of heat back.

You missed the part when Del Rio was gone for a few shows because HE didn’t renew HIS visa when HE should have. He did it to himself. I mean, I would always rather anyone but Cena to have the title, but when you aren't getting a lot of heat and you miss over a week of shows, right after you win the title, because you are irresponsible, then don't be shocked or even upset that the title is going to go to someone who is a known money maker and can get a more heat and a bigger pop all in one night.

 

[Workrate]

So, the pressing question is: who challenges Cena for the titles now?

Del Rio gets his obligatory re-match, but he won't win. He shouldn't win. Punk can't really go from a loss to HHH directly back to the title picture. Miz and R-Truth will most likely get tangled up in that web too, possibly as fired talent (the commentators set this up last night) turned outsiders. Dolph, the next logical challenger in my mind, is embroiled with Jack Swagger. Morrison and Riley obviously aren't there yet. So who is it?

 

[Dagger Dias]

They do this with every title. Some reigns last a while, but most of them are fairly short. I've made it clear in many other threads how much I dislike short title reigns. A long title reign makes not only the prestige of the belt look more important, but it also gives credibility to the wrestler or diva who holds the belt. These short reigns do nothing but keep us asking how short it will be or who will be next. Cena, Orton, Trips, and Miz have seen long WWE Championship reigns, but the title has seen a ton of short reigns and this hurts the prestige of the belt. The same can be said for the World Championship, the midcard titles, the tag team titles, and even the divas title. Whoever holds a title needs to be viewed as the very best in that division whether that be in the ring, on the mic, at drawing, or a mix of the above. The longer a champion remains a champion, the more important the belt becomes. WWE need to stop doing so many title changes and short reigns because it will eventually make none of the titles seem like they matter, and that INCLUDES the two world titles. If Cena gets to be a 20 time world champion, it won't seem like as big of a deal if only 2 of them were significantly long.

 

[The Champ]

or maybe they are hinting that the competition is so tough at the moment it's almost impossible to retain.

Which is a point of view I understand and even agree with to an extent, but some of these title changes just haven't been necessary at all. Considering the fact that the titles have changed hands eight times altogether in two months is just completely ridiculous on every level.

After Christian won it at MITB, he shouldn't have lost it to Orton right away and Henry sure as hell shouldn't have gotten it. Then we could have Christian vs. Sheamus for the title with Orton vs. Henry as a non-title feud between the dominant monster and the biggest star on the brand.

As far as the WWE Title goes, Cena should have lost it to Punk but the Rey reign probably shouldn't have happened. Cena should have just gotten it back and then defended it against Punk at SummerSlam, with Punk's foot being the one on the ropes. Then Del Rio would still have his Money in the Bank and we would have the same WWE Champion now without three pointless title changes mixed in between.

I just eliminated five of the eight title changes using simple thinking. It's a wonder I don't work for this company.