I know it's been talked about but I don't know if there has ever been a thread dedicated to just how useless Legacy is. I look at the great stables. The Four Horsemen. Four guys dominating the landscape with all the major titles in tow terrorizing the faces. A lot of stables have at some point dominated the main event scene. The Hart Foundation Bret had the WWE title Owen and Bulldog the tag titles not to mention the European and IC. Evolution had gold on ever waist and it seemed every member was a threat. With Legacy you have Randy Orton who has had some of the worst booked title reigns in recent history and two almost worthless sychophants who do nothing occasionally beat mid carders and get fed to Batista, Mark Henry, John Cena etc. Hell Cody Rhodes couldn't even beat MVP it was by count out when Regal got involved. Am I wrong on this? They way they talk about these guys they should rule the RAW title scene, but Orton even after winning matches gets his ass kicked (The Bash) and Rhodes and Dibiase seem like two bumbling henchmen from a Saturday morning cartoon with Orton as the barely competent villian. Legacy needs a jumpstart is WWE expects them to be the main heels of the brand.
Worst Stable Ever?
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twiztid_lestat
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Believe me, Legacy is NOT the worst ever, That belongs to horrid groups like the Dungeon of Doom (The yeti anyone) or The Union.
Legacy can be a great stable if given the right motives and storyline, and for cripes sake get them AWAY FROM TRIPLE H, He has and always will ruin the careers of those that cross his path unless hes close friends with them backstage, We all know this
Legacy can be a great stable if given the right motives and storyline, and for cripes sake get them AWAY FROM TRIPLE H, He has and always will ruin the careers of those that cross his path unless hes close friends with them backstage, We all know this
I agree to a certain extent. In no way, shape or form can Legacy be considered a great stable; that much we can agree on. However, I believe that Legacy could definately be (or could definately have been) a good stable, maybe even top 10 of all time. I mean, lets take a look at the Legacy stable as a whole. (I was going to start a similar thread after Raw last week but forgot, thanks for reminding me)
OK, now the concept of Legacy is really good and I think that when it was first shown on television people were expecting great things. The business was virtually run, in the old days, by families. You used to have to know somebody or be related to somebody to even think about breaking into the business (ahhhhh the kayfabe days). So to have a stable where all members are either 2nd generation or greater sets up alot of real possibilities.
Unfortunately, the powers that be (VKM and the writers) have once again taken a sure-fire home run and only made it to 2nd base; And as we all know, it sucks getting cut off at second base.......right Rock? And you would think that with Ted Jr. being in the Marine 2, McMahon would have wanted the stable to work. I mean, who wants the star of their new movie to be a joke? Who's going to watch the movie?
I really liked last weeks Raw and the week before that (6/15 and 6/22) when Orton was in the Main Event and the match before his involved either one or both members of Priceless. I think its a great way to build Legacy up. Have Legacy in a tag match or a singles match with the other at ringside before Randy Orton's match. Have them win. Then when Orton comes out for his match and people see them as a stable it makes everybody involved look stronger. The finish of the Legacy match is still fresh in the crowds mind. I don't know. It's hard to put into words what the effects would be but they would only be positive.
So to answer your question no, Legacy is not the worst stable ever, but they are definately not one of the best either. Blame it on the booking.
OK, now the concept of Legacy is really good and I think that when it was first shown on television people were expecting great things. The business was virtually run, in the old days, by families. You used to have to know somebody or be related to somebody to even think about breaking into the business (ahhhhh the kayfabe days). So to have a stable where all members are either 2nd generation or greater sets up alot of real possibilities.
Unfortunately, the powers that be (VKM and the writers) have once again taken a sure-fire home run and only made it to 2nd base; And as we all know, it sucks getting cut off at second base.......right Rock? And you would think that with Ted Jr. being in the Marine 2, McMahon would have wanted the stable to work. I mean, who wants the star of their new movie to be a joke? Who's going to watch the movie?
I really liked last weeks Raw and the week before that (6/15 and 6/22) when Orton was in the Main Event and the match before his involved either one or both members of Priceless. I think its a great way to build Legacy up. Have Legacy in a tag match or a singles match with the other at ringside before Randy Orton's match. Have them win. Then when Orton comes out for his match and people see them as a stable it makes everybody involved look stronger. The finish of the Legacy match is still fresh in the crowds mind. I don't know. It's hard to put into words what the effects would be but they would only be positive.
So to answer your question no, Legacy is not the worst stable ever, but they are definately not one of the best either. Blame it on the booking.
THTRobtaylor
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To call Legacy the worst group ever is not right... not at this point...
They are the next stage of groups such as the Horsemen, in that rather than having 4 established stars as the Horsemen did or a legend like Flair that Evolution had this is simply 3 young guys making their mark... Orton is more experienced but no one has done 3 3rd gen guys together... DiBiase and Rhodes are working to the normal conventions, watching each others backs etc... but the reality is you know its a short term deal...
The worst stable ever could be from 20 different ones but here are my picks for the worst...
Blue World Order: This was a rip off pure and simple, it stopped being funny in ECW, let alone bringing it to WWE.
Team Angle - The whole thing sucked... the setup was wrong and using Kurt's brother made the whole thing seem contrived... Mercifully it died a death.
The Union - What was the point of the Union? Does anyone even remember all the members? I THINK it was Foley, Shamrock, Owen, Show and Al Snow BUT... that leads me to...
The Job Squad - Flair would hate their use of the name and I did too...
but for me the worst group ever was...
The Dungeon Of Doom
This was awful... We had Kevin Sullivan...and his assortment of mis-cast talent who worked well in stables else where... but the gimmicks and booking STILL MADE NO SENSE!
Kevin Sullivan
The Giant - WCW World Champion
Zodiac - Brutus Beefcake (Main Evented in WWE)
Shark - Earthquake (former WWE Main Eventer & A legend in Hart Family)
Kamala (Main Evented in WWE)
The Barbarian (A Member of the Heenan Family)
Meng (A Member of the Heenan Family)
Lex Luger (Former WCW World Champion and WWE Main Eventer)
The Leprechaun
Hugh Morrus
Konnan (Mexican Legend)
Big Bubba Rogers - Big Bossman (Main evented in WWE and Part of Slick's Army)
Loch Ness - Giant Haystacks (Britain's top heel)
Maxx Muscle
One Man Gang - Akeem (Main evented in WWE & Part of Slick's Army)
and of course who could forget...
THE YETI!!! (in bad Schiovane voice)
and the only moments they could muster was Yeti dry humping Hogan and Giant falling off a building, only to be alive the following week, uninjured...
Any stable with THAT much talent wasted deserves the accolade...
They are the next stage of groups such as the Horsemen, in that rather than having 4 established stars as the Horsemen did or a legend like Flair that Evolution had this is simply 3 young guys making their mark... Orton is more experienced but no one has done 3 3rd gen guys together... DiBiase and Rhodes are working to the normal conventions, watching each others backs etc... but the reality is you know its a short term deal...
The worst stable ever could be from 20 different ones but here are my picks for the worst...
Blue World Order: This was a rip off pure and simple, it stopped being funny in ECW, let alone bringing it to WWE.
Team Angle - The whole thing sucked... the setup was wrong and using Kurt's brother made the whole thing seem contrived... Mercifully it died a death.
The Union - What was the point of the Union? Does anyone even remember all the members? I THINK it was Foley, Shamrock, Owen, Show and Al Snow BUT... that leads me to...
The Job Squad - Flair would hate their use of the name and I did too...
but for me the worst group ever was...
The Dungeon Of Doom
This was awful... We had Kevin Sullivan...and his assortment of mis-cast talent who worked well in stables else where... but the gimmicks and booking STILL MADE NO SENSE!
Kevin Sullivan
The Giant - WCW World Champion
Zodiac - Brutus Beefcake (Main Evented in WWE)
Shark - Earthquake (former WWE Main Eventer & A legend in Hart Family)
Kamala (Main Evented in WWE)
The Barbarian (A Member of the Heenan Family)
Meng (A Member of the Heenan Family)
Lex Luger (Former WCW World Champion and WWE Main Eventer)
The Leprechaun
Hugh Morrus
Konnan (Mexican Legend)
Big Bubba Rogers - Big Bossman (Main evented in WWE and Part of Slick's Army)
Loch Ness - Giant Haystacks (Britain's top heel)
Maxx Muscle
One Man Gang - Akeem (Main evented in WWE & Part of Slick's Army)
and of course who could forget...
THE YETI!!! (in bad Schiovane voice)
and the only moments they could muster was Yeti dry humping Hogan and Giant falling off a building, only to be alive the following week, uninjured...
Any stable with THAT much talent wasted deserves the accolade...
I understand your point, but I have a different way of looking at Legacy. I don't think you should compare them to The Horsemen, Hart Foundation, or Evolution. Those are three of the greatest stables of all time. To call them the worst stable ever is a big statement. Think about it. The Ministry. Corporation. Corporate Ministry. Union. Dungeon of Doom. DOA. Just a few examples. Here is Legacy's purpose. Orton is the champ. Dibiase and Rhodes are inexperienced newcomers. In exchange for their services and protection, Dibase and Rhodes benefit from Orton's experience. Everyone seems to think Dibiase and Rhodes you instantly be at Orton's level just by association. They still need time. When the Horsemen came together they were already four dominate stars that came together on a fluke. Lightning in a bottle. Take Legacy for what they are. Give them a chance and hold off on the comparisons for the time being.
Does anyone remember 2008?
Does anyone remember Edge?
Does anyone remember Curt Hawkins and Zach Ryder?
Does anyone remember their stable?
Where are they now? Traded to separate brands. What good did that stable do for Zach and Curt? It did nothing for them. Even when Vickie was out the scene, they were still with Edge. Now, that stable between the 3 is a long forgotten memory.
I expect the same for Legacy.
There are so many more terrible stables, it's too much to list all of them. Though, the WWE hasn't been forming that many these days.
Does anyone remember Edge?
Does anyone remember Curt Hawkins and Zach Ryder?
Does anyone remember their stable?
Where are they now? Traded to separate brands. What good did that stable do for Zach and Curt? It did nothing for them. Even when Vickie was out the scene, they were still with Edge. Now, that stable between the 3 is a long forgotten memory.
I expect the same for Legacy.
There are so many more terrible stables, it's too much to list all of them. Though, the WWE hasn't been forming that many these days.
ssvegita77
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I wholeheartedly agree that Legacy is a weak faction, but do you remember the X-Factor? (X-Pac, Albert, Justin Credible) I do. There are tons of worse factions because at least Orton is decent and Rhodes & Dibiase have potential. Before you hate on Legacy consider these:
The Truth Comission
Dungeon of Doom
The Oddities
The Right to Censor
Los Boriquas
DOA
The Baldies
There are few Redeeming qualities within each of those terrible factions. For all the potential that Legacy has yet to live up to, think about all the horrible things that took up the precious time from our lives that we'll never get back. Legacy can absolutely be better, but for God's sake people consider all the magnitude of Suck that I've listed above.
The Truth Comission
Dungeon of Doom
The Oddities
The Right to Censor
Los Boriquas
DOA
The Baldies
There are few Redeeming qualities within each of those terrible factions. For all the potential that Legacy has yet to live up to, think about all the horrible things that took up the precious time from our lives that we'll never get back. Legacy can absolutely be better, but for God's sake people consider all the magnitude of Suck that I've listed above.
The Legacy is mis-directed at the moment, yes...but worst ever they are not...
Dungeon Of Doom was horrid as was the Job Squad and the Union...but how can everyone regret and forget the absolute worst!? I speak of "The Oddities"!! Remember those jag-offs? We had Golga, Giant Silva, Kurrgan, Luna Vachon and the I.C.P. They were all useless and danced around with South Park toys and half the crew weren't even legitimate wrestlers!!!!
Honourable mention goes to the nearly entire WWE roster in 1997! Remember the "Truth Commission"? Probably not...How about the "Nation Of Domination"? They got The Rock over, but did NOTHING beyond that...who else was there? There was the "Disciples Of Apocolypse"...they had potential but fell flat on their faces..."Los Boriquas" led by Savio Vega...SAVIO FREAKIN' VEGA!! The guy was one of the biggest jobbers in the WWE at that time and he was THE LEADER of a stable!?! How useless must have his minions been!!!???
Dungeon Of Doom was horrid as was the Job Squad and the Union...but how can everyone regret and forget the absolute worst!? I speak of "The Oddities"!! Remember those jag-offs? We had Golga, Giant Silva, Kurrgan, Luna Vachon and the I.C.P. They were all useless and danced around with South Park toys and half the crew weren't even legitimate wrestlers!!!!
Honourable mention goes to the nearly entire WWE roster in 1997! Remember the "Truth Commission"? Probably not...How about the "Nation Of Domination"? They got The Rock over, but did NOTHING beyond that...who else was there? There was the "Disciples Of Apocolypse"...they had potential but fell flat on their faces..."Los Boriquas" led by Savio Vega...SAVIO FREAKIN' VEGA!! The guy was one of the biggest jobbers in the WWE at that time and he was THE LEADER of a stable!?! How useless must have his minions been!!!???
Doctor_What
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X Factor with X Pac, Albert and Justin Credible. Did they ever actually do anything? X Pac was an overated jobber with a drug problem that only got to where he did as he was 1 of Triple H's butt buddys, Justin Credible was ok in ECW but defnantley didnt have the look that Vince likes. Albert had a number of tried and failed gimmicks who's idea it was to give him the ic belt I do not know.
I think the writers just threw this stable together as they had no other ideas for these 3 guys. It was quietley dissolved if I remember correctly with no explanation (correct me if I am wrong its been a long time)
I think the writers just threw this stable together as they had no other ideas for these 3 guys. It was quietley dissolved if I remember correctly with no explanation (correct me if I am wrong its been a long time)
Dude, please don't spam. Give opinions. Mine is listed above (3rd post)
dmacizdman
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I was surprised they didn't throw the Colons in the stable considering they have wrestling ancestors. I think that would have been awesome. The heavyweight and tag titles in one stable.
But, as with everything I had hoped WWE would do, they didn't do it. But I do agree that Kevin Sullivan's "DOD" was horrible. Just thinking of that stupid face Brutus Beefcake had to make with that god-awful makeup makes me cringe.
But, as with everything I had hoped WWE would do, they didn't do it. But I do agree that Kevin Sullivan's "DOD" was horrible. Just thinking of that stupid face Brutus Beefcake had to make with that god-awful makeup makes me cringe.
Thanks for the replies guys, Yeah I guess I should have named it "Worst Main Event Stable Ever." Yeah X-Factor, Truth Commission all those I had just forgotten about honestly. I hope they do something with Legacy, the Team Edge thing or La Familia or whatever the hell it was called was bad to be sure. I don't know when I heard about this stable coming to form I was pumped and I thought it would be the next Evolution, just disappointed I guess.
How about P.M.S or MIA and Team Canada which had no canadians in it. The Four Horseman had some shitty members too like Paul Roma, Steve McMicheal and Sid Vicious. There was another bad stable don't remember the name that had Molly Holly and Goldust as some kind of holier then thou preachers. Was that the Truth Commission?
dmacizdman
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Wasn't Stevie Richards the leader? I remember that too. They had a fued with the GodFather.
I think you might be thinking of Right To Censor. The Truth Commission was Kurrgan (before the Oddities), Recon, Sniper, Tank and The Jackyl.
Brilliant Human Being
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The 'edgeheads' were pretty crap, then when they widened it to include La Famila it got even worse. It seemed like creative had no idea where to take it from week to week.
Another one is one not many will remember, but anyone remember the Techers Pets or whatever the hell they were called? They were led by Michelle McCool back when she was a hot schoolteacher.
Another one is one not many will remember, but anyone remember the Techers Pets or whatever the hell they were called? They were led by Michelle McCool back when she was a hot schoolteacher.
HHH=The Peoples King
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I think that Jack Swagger and or Carlito will join now that Carlito turned on Primo at next weeks Raw
Even thou Swagger isnt 2nd generation, he fits perfect in the Power senerio
when Ted leavs soon
I think Cody would fit better on Smackdown, maybe even start over on ECW
but Cody is kinda like CM Punk, got lost in the crowd
all the pressure was on him and Ted, Ted will do alright
but I think alot more of this and Cody will be tthe likes of Santino
Even thou Swagger isnt 2nd generation, he fits perfect in the Power senerio
when Ted leavs soon
I think Cody would fit better on Smackdown, maybe even start over on ECW
but Cody is kinda like CM Punk, got lost in the crowd
all the pressure was on him and Ted, Ted will do alright
but I think alot more of this and Cody will be tthe likes of Santino
Phenomenal1AJ
Dark Match Jobber
i've always liked DeBiase but have never had any hope in Rhodes, he just doesnt seem to have the potential for me, maybe if they had the gold and had the better fueds from the beginning to solidify their power and authority just like evolution did, they all were dominent, from the beginning which is where Legacy went wrong, and maybe they shuold have kept either/both sim snuka and manu coz that could have been interesting and they start of new young talent.
Phenomenal1AJ
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Another one is one not many will remember, but anyone remember the Techers Pets or whatever the hell they were called? They were led by Michelle McCool back when she was a hot schoolteacher.[/QUOTE]
KC James and Idol Stevens i think they were!
KC James and Idol Stevens i think they were!
FallenAngelV2
Dark Match Winner
Thanks for the spoiler there goober.
Guy above was right, you may be thinking of RTC and yes Steven Richards was the leader. Molly Holly nor Dustin Rhodes were a part of that stable, though. Rhodes did have a solo run with a preacher gimmick and Molly's most infamous run was with a holier than thou gimmick in 2002-2003 feuding with Trish.
Now, if you were referring to the 2004 version that featured Mark Jindrak and Luther Reigns, I would give you that one. But I absolutely loved the original concept of Team Angle with Kurt Angle, Shelton Benjamin and Charlie Haas. Great way to introduce 2 new wrestlers by playing up on there amateur wrestling backgrounds and hooking them up with the greatest amateur turned pro wrestler ever, Kurt Angle. And Benjamin and Haas were for the most part booked well during that time as they were multiple time tag-team champs back when the tag team division was still halfway strong.
As far as the union goes, it featured Foley, Big Show, Shamrock and Test. I agree it was a horrible stable in that it lasted all of a month. Clever name though to rival the Corporation.
Back to the main topic, no Legacy is not the worst stable ever and will be just fine. Anybody remember when Evolution was first formed in early 2003? Orton was kicked around just as much and Batista was so green that nobody thought he would ever do anything. They turned out just fine. Patience people, patience.
My pick for worst stable of all time actually had a pretty damn good line-up of wrestlers, but the execution just was terrible.
2000's The Co-Conspirators. Anybody actually remember this stable? It was a Shane McMahon lead group consisting of Chris Benoit, The Big Show, Kurt Angle and Edge and Christian. Pretty good group of wrestlers, but they were formed on one week's RAW and seemed to dissolve quietly within a couple of weeks. Big Show I think ended up getting sent home for conditioning issues. But the point is, what was the point? You spend time forming a stable then just throw it away. No break-up or anything. WWE just stopped mentioning them as a stable. And they could have come up with some other name other than the Co-Conspirators. How lame!
supersayian
I AM PRINCE ALL SAYIANS ONCE AGAIAN
ok first let me say right to censor was far from one of the worse stables. did you hear the heel heat these guys drew. they were very underrated as a stable their gimmick was perfect for the age of 2000 wrestling. La Familia was awful that was without a doubt one of the top 5 worst. Bam Neely is long gone Vickie is gone Rider is on ECW starting over. Hawkins is a jobber. how did edge deserve that stable i could have come up with way better members then that.
Now Legacy just needs to stay away from HHH and Orton. HHH has no idea what he is doing by burying these future stars week after week. they need another member. it will be more then likely Swagger. does not make since generation wise but he would be great addition with Ted leaving group soon. another member will be needed that is why i think Carlito broke up with Primo was so Primo to join Legacy as 3rd generation star.
Legacy will be fine let them get some more tag matches going and they will be fine. they are far from the worst but far from the best to. i would put them in the middle somewhere for now.
Now Legacy just needs to stay away from HHH and Orton. HHH has no idea what he is doing by burying these future stars week after week. they need another member. it will be more then likely Swagger. does not make since generation wise but he would be great addition with Ted leaving group soon. another member will be needed that is why i think Carlito broke up with Primo was so Primo to join Legacy as 3rd generation star.
Legacy will be fine let them get some more tag matches going and they will be fine. they are far from the worst but far from the best to. i would put them in the middle somewhere for now.
I'm going to have to go with The Union, Right To Censor and X-Factor. They were already mentioned, and yes there probably have been worse stables, but these 3 in my memory were just pointless. The Union didn't have really bad wrestlers in it (I was never a fan of Test and still am not one of Show) but it was just dumb. X-Factor had 3 guys who were lucky they even made it to mid-card. X-Pac should be kissing HHHs ass b/c w/out him he probably wouldn't have had X-pac created. Albert was just awful, who saw what in him I will never know. Justin Credible had a good run and some good matches in ECW, but was never going to amount to anything in WWE. Do I need to even go into detail about Right To Censor? ECW mainstay and constant gimmick change Steven Richards? Bull Buchannan, I'm not gonna waste my finger muslce typing anything about him. The GOODfather. Well I guess he was decent in the Nation. But IMO the high point of his career was when he was feuding with The Ultimate Warrior in 93/94, and had a run-in in the match Hogan vs Sid. Well I'm sure some people will disagree with this, but like I said I know there have been stables worse than these. But these 3 stick out in my mind as 3 that served no purpose and I don't think even lasted 6 months. Good thread!TJ INSANE 1992
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2 come to mind. BILLY and Chuck sure they got bood but they acted queerish and unmanly in wrestling! And people were tired of them fast! And anyone remember the heartthrobs? They lasted what a few months?
