"Without Math We Are Cavemen Eating Mud"

[ABMorales787]

Points if you get where I took the title from. The title speaks the truth. Without math (or science) we are just cavemen eating mud.But hold on a second. I gotta ask. Is that really such a bad thing? Think about it. Must disasters through history are caused by man-made sources. The World War's. The Inquisition. The nuclear holocaust. 9/11. Global warming. Homework. It's all pretty much our doing. Why? Because of our never-dying curiosity. We want to continue expanding. Searching for world peace and wanting to end world hunger. But all we really do is cause tension in the middle east, become brutally reliant on the internet and dip the economy, get fat by eating fast food and flunking school. Of course this would not be an issue if you just sticked to eating your mud. Sure, we wouldn't be communicating right now. But then again, we wouldn't have to worry about the terrorists or being broke, or needing a job, or homework. God, the homework. Who's to say we aren't better off being total simpletons?

Though "catch weasel must" could get a little complicated.

 

[Dwayne_Jason]

Points if you get where I took the title from. The title speaks the truth. Without math (or science) we are just cavemen eating mud.

But hold on a second. I gotta ask. Is that really such a bad thing? Think about it.

Yes. Yes it is. Why you ask? Simple. As Cavemen we were fucking terrified of everything.

Must

Most. Sorry, had to correct that.

disasters through history are caused by man-made sources.

That's true, man is the cause of war but its not like cavemen didn't have wars either. Its simply the matter of escalation and the simple fact is escalation will stop when we stop being greedy little pricks who think we know better than another country.



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he World War's. The Inquisition. The nuclear holocaust. 9/11. Global warming. Homework.

Science, Math, Philosophy, History, Anthropology, Psychology, Technology all out doing as well.

It's all pretty much our doing. Why? Because of our never-dying curiosity. We want to continue expanding.

Wait, what? Nuclear Holocaust wasn't because we were curious, it was because the German Charlie Chaplin didn't like jewish people.

Searching for world peace and wanting to end world hunger.

News Flash: Its all preventable. We throw away more food in a yea than Ethiopians eat in a year (its not an exact statistic, but you get my point). We get in the way of world huger through politics, economics and all that other nonsense and don't understand a simple little concept of "Share the fucking food" but I digress...

But all we really do is cause tension in the middle east

That's true

become brutally reliant on the internet

True

dip the economy, get fat by eating fast food and flunking school.

All true, but I don't understand your point. If we were cavemen we'd be screaming and howling.

Of course this would not be an issue if you just sticked to eating your mud. Sure, we wouldn't be communicating right now. But then again, we wouldn't have to worry about the terrorists or being broke, or needing a job, or homework.

The fuck? Alright, I'll answer the question first. The reason being is that it wasn't a choice. Our brain is our biggest weapon and we can't help but use it. It was fire first, pointy sticks second and after a couple hundred thousand years its economics and physics. Progress is natural in order to survive. Sure, you stop somewhere once you're at a certain stage you won't stop.

God, the homework. Who's to say we aren't better off being total simpletons?

What, your teacher assign you too much homework? Dude, this is nothing. Take it from a college student.

 

[ABMorales787]

The fuck? Alright, I'll answer the question first. The reason being is that it wasn't a choice. Our brain is our biggest weapon and we can't help but use it. It was fire first, pointy sticks second and after a couple hundred thousand years its economics and physics. Progress is natural in order to survive. Sure, you stop somewhere once you're at a certain stage you won't stop.

So basically, we're self-destructive by nature. The nuclear bomb wasn't something that appeared by magic. It was cooked up in the intent of exploring it's science. Then it was used to blow up cities with all of it's citizens and bombard it with radioactivity. Now they are in the same issue but by a natural cause. The earthquake, then the tsunami and then the nuclear plants. Let's face it. History shows that us learning has done more harm than good.

What, your teacher assign you too much homework? Dude, this is nothing. Take it from a college student.

I am in college. I also have to work my butt off to pay for college because I can't make a living solely on flipping burgers while also dealing with studies. Meanwhile there's some homeless people who only have to worry about getting money for food. Sure, they don't have houses and can't bathe properly. Then again, they don't have to worry about taxes, college payments, helping your parents with the bills or working 8 hours in front of a stove for minimum wage while some crybabies complain about their food not being perfect. It's a dog-eat-dog world that seems to be so much simpler if it was indeed simpler on mindset. I'd rather be mauled by a mammoth than wrecked by debt for months on end.

 

[RockFan89]

I am in college. I also have to work my butt off to pay for college because I can't make a living solely on flipping burgers while also dealing with studies. Meanwhile there's some homeless people who only have to worry about getting money for food. Sure, they don't have houses and can't bathe properly. Then again, they don't have to worry about taxes, college payments, helping your parents with the bills or working 8 hours in front of a stove for minimum wage while some crybabies complain about their food not being perfect. It's a dog-eat-dog world that seems to be so much simpler if it was indeed simpler on mindset. I'd rather be mauled by a mammoth than wrecked by debt for months on end.

Are you seriously suggesting that going to college is worse than being homeless? So what if life would be simple if all we had to worry about was food, life would suck. You should be glad that you don't have to go to bed hungry. You should be glad you can go to college. You should be glad you have a job.

Seriously, you would rather be "mauled by a mammoth" then have debt? You have got to be kidding me, because I know of billions of people all over the world and even in this country who would trade places with you in a second.

It sounds to me like you're just whining about the normal stresses of life that all of us go through. Here's a clue, get over it, because it's insulting to those who are actually suffering.

 

[Davi323]

this is simple. The OP doesn't have a clue. No wars have ever begun because of technology. Technology is nothing more than a tool, neither good or evil. What causes wars is EVIL. People cause wars, blaming math and science is just blaming the tool, rather the hand that wields it. Its the same idiotic reasoning that blames guns for murder rather than the person pulling the trigger.

Instead of nukes, we would simply be killing each other with rocks, like we did back in the old days. The problem is, and always has been, the bearer of the tool, not the tool.

But, let's say we got rid of all technology, forgot how to read, unlearned math, etc. Where does medicine come from? You fall hunting a bear with your pointy stick, who heals you? Virtually all of our medical knowledge is the result of science. Guess you want to lower the life expectancy back to your mid 30s. Guess you also don't care about how technology makes us safer by filtering water, checking meats and veggies for diseases, etc. I guess you want childbirth to be a 50/50 proposition as to whether the child dies.

Science has helped humanity achieve far more than it has hurt us. If you are too stupid to understand that, you already are a devolved caveman.

 

[Calderownz]

I get where you're coming from. However, to me, it isn't that simple. I think we ARE too much like our cavemen ancestry and we are too similar to the simpletons of the past.

Think about some of the things you mentioned. Inquisition, Holocaust, wars. Man-made disasters if ever there were such a thing. However, war is a very primitive thing to get involved in. If we had advanced along with our ideas and understandings of how the world works, we'd be far removed from our simple actions.

At the end of the day, regardless of how complex the tactics may or may not be, the act itself is a simple one. To want to take what is not yours. To get rid of that with which you do not agree. To attack when you feel attacked or endangered. All primitive ideas. Cavemen like.

We should simply force ourselves to advance our mentalities when it comes to these acts along with our capabilities. Yes, we have the abilities to attack others. But.. I think of it like I thin of the gun.

"Guns don't kill people, people kill people."

I would amend that statement.

"Guns don't kill people, the mentality of the person in possession of that gun is capable of many things."

Not as catchy, I'll grant you. But it's far closer to the truth. Those "many things" can be good or bad. But if the mentality is wrecked, so is the situation. You can't blame the gun. A person that has no intention of killing a man can have a million guns at his disposal. We're safe under those circumstances. Yet, one gun or a weapon of any sort in the wrong hands is a dangerous environment.

The mentality of human beings is whats wrong. But it's always been here to some extent. Cavemen fought for survival. But they also fought for territory and to be in charge. It's engrained within us.

Simple stripping away our advances simply because others have abused them isn't going to solve anything.

My father once told me something that I truly feel is right when it comes to guns or weapons of any kind.

"If you take guns away from criminals that want to harm you, you're only forcing them to find another weapon."

I'm not trying to skew this into a gun debate, but the central point to my statements is simple. If the mind state is there, it doesn't matter what we create or discover.

The mind has naturally advanced. But the actions that we find deplorable have always been there.

 

[Dagger Dias]

I think we are better off being intelligent. It isn't fair to say we were better off without math due to stupid things that stupid people have done to the world. Math did help make us a more intelligent species and all of its various formulas have changed the world for the better. We would not have any of a countless number of things without math. Are all of those things not worth taking the good with the bad? We weren't better off being cavemen eating mud because who wants to eat mud when we have a world full of interesting things to enjoy doing?

 

[ABMorales787]

this is simple. The OP doesn't have a clue. No wars have ever begun because of technology. Technology is nothing more than a tool, neither good or evil.

Yes. This tool is created by man. For his curiosity has led man to create weapons that can end man's own existence.

What causes wars is EVIL. People cause wars, blaming math and science is just blaming the tool, rather the hand that wields it. Its the same idiotic reasoning that blames guns for murder rather than the person pulling the trigger.

Of course people have the decision in the end. But that still doesn't change than inventing weapons of mass destruction has obviously done a hell of a lot more harm than good.

Instead of nukes, we would simply be killing each other with rocks, like we did back in the old days. The problem is, and always has been, the bearer of the tool, not the tool.

Yes. This is true. But exactly how large would be the difference in casualties if we would stick beating up people with the stuff we found on the ground instead of the fancy bomb we made? A lot.

But, let's say we got rid of all technology, forgot how to read, unlearned math, etc. Where does medicine come from?

Since a lot lot of diseases come from intoxication, pollution, radioactivity and such, I'd say the biggest worry is catching a cold and getting to the point of bronchitis.

You fall hunting a bear with your pointy stick, who heals you? Virtually all of our medical knowledge is the result of science.

If you fall and injure yourself, I'm pretty sure what you need is some bandaging and keeping the injured body part still. Not medicine.

Guess you want to lower the life expectancy back to your mid 30s.

I'm surprised with the high crime rate it's still not there.

Guess you also don't care about how technology makes us safer by filtering water,

Which we pollute in the first place.

checking meats and veggies for diseases,

Wouldn't be an issue if we didn't feed animals so much synthetics and hormones.

etc. I guess you want childbirth to be a 50/50 proposition as to whether the child dies.

Better than living with STD's or cancer.

Science has helped humanity achieve far more than it has hurt us. If you are too stupid to understand that, you already are a devolved caveman.

It's called a debate. I am here to debate the topic. I'm giving reason's as to why I think simpler times were better times. I'm trying to create a unique topic and support it knowing full well it's something a lot of people will disapprove. You expect me to just start the topic, make it interesting and just dismiss it so others can just say "I agree"? You're calling me stupid for putting some facts down and trying to make some sort of point. But it's clear you're too damn stupid to at least analyse the facts that history have given us. Yes, technology has made us come far by us exploring it. But it is a double-edged sword showing that our exploration of new frontiers has also led to some devastating events that to this day influence our lives. Of course I'm gonna try to make the more outlandish idea seem reasonable. It's my job for making thread. To... I don't know... keep the topic going. Thank you for the "intelligent" input.

I get where you're coming from. However, to me, it isn't that simple. I think we ARE too much like our cavemen ancestry and we are too similar to the simpletons of the past.

Think about some of the things you mentioned. Inquisition, Holocaust, wars. Man-made disasters if ever there were such a thing. However, war is a very primitive thing to get involved in. If we had advanced along with our ideas and understandings of how the world works, we'd be far removed from our simple actions.

At the end of the day, regardless of how complex the tactics may or may not be, the act itself is a simple one. To want to take what is not yours. To get rid of that with which you do not agree. To attack when you feel attacked or endangered. All primitive ideas. Cavemen like.

We should simply force ourselves to advance our mentalities when it comes to these acts along with our capabilities. Yes, we have the abilities to attack others. But.. I think of it like I thin of the gun.

"Guns don't kill people, people kill people."

I would amend that statement.

"Guns don't kill people, the mentality of the person in possession of that gun is capable of many things."

Not as catchy, I'll grant you. But it's far closer to the truth. Those "many things" can be good or bad. But if the mentality is wrecked, so is the situation. You can't blame the gun. A person that has no intention of killing a man can have a million guns at his disposal. We're safe under those circumstances. Yet, one gun or a weapon of any sort in the wrong hands is a dangerous environment.

The mentality of human beings is whats wrong. But it's always been here to some extent. Cavemen fought for survival. But they also fought for territory and to be in charge. It's engrained within us.

Simple stripping away our advances simply because others have abused them isn't going to solve anything.

My father once told me something that I truly feel is right when it comes to guns or weapons of any kind.

"If you take guns away from criminals that want to harm you, you're only forcing them to find another weapon."

I'm not trying to skew this into a gun debate, but the central point to my statements is simple. If the mind state is there, it doesn't matter what we create or discover.

The mind has naturally advanced. But the actions that we find deplorable have always been there.

I like this one. I like this response a lot. Great call. Human's are indeed the true weapons of mass destruction. Armed with curiosity, they will explore any possible frontier to get what they want. The weapon isn't the issue. It's person's desire to exploit it. Kinda why I say simpler times were better. There were less resources available for exploitation.

 

[Xemmy]

Technology brought to mankind is handing the serial killer a chainsaw in some ways. That much is true.
However the idea that humanity would be better off without our math and science is ludicrous when looked at properly. In the last hundred years, our life expectancy has more than doubled. That alone is enough to justify technology's harmful assets. Then, there's our standard of living, entertainment, and the prospect of having humanity head for a new horizon.

Humans are always going to kill each other. Technology or not. As long as technology doesn't bring us the apocalypse, it's existence is perfectly justifiable. And yes, it does have that capability, but once again, technology is just a tool. Math and science are just tools. Adolf Hitler is to blame for the Holocaust, not the showers. America is to blame for Hiroshima, not the bomb. Has technology play a part in the world most terrible events? Absolutely. Does that mean technology is bad? No. And I'd much rather live he way I do now.


By the way, I want to thank you again Killjoy. You've pulled the Cigar Lounge out of the grave once again. It's my favorite part of Wrestlezone, and I'm really grateful for that.

 

[The Best]

Points if you get where I took the title from. The title speaks the truth. Without math (or science) we are just cavemen eating mud.But hold on a second. I gotta ask. Is that really such a bad thing? Think about it. Must disasters through history are caused by man-made sources. The World War's. The Inquisition. The nuclear holocaust. 9/11. Global warming. Homework. It's all pretty much our doing. Why? Because of our never-dying curiosity. We want to continue expanding. Searching for world peace and wanting to end world hunger. But all we really do is cause tension in the middle east, become brutally reliant on the internet and dip the economy, get fat by eating fast food and flunking school. Of course this would not be an issue if you just sticked to eating your mud. Sure, we wouldn't be communicating right now. But then again, we wouldn't have to worry about the terrorists or being broke, or needing a job, or homework. God, the homework. Who's to say we aren't better off being total simpletons?

Though "catch weasel must" could get a little complicated.

It's from that old TeenNick show Ned's Declassified School survival guide(I have a brother in elementary school).

Now, onto the topic, but without math(or science) we also probably wouldn't have electronics, and you and I might not be typing this right now. I really don't have a really long response, but I say it's definitely better to have the knowledge, than being "simpletons", because I feel that without the knowledge we learn throughout school, than we wouldn't be able to live our normal everyday lives IMO.

 

[Hulk Hogan's Brother]

Knowledge is power. If we did not have knowledge of how things work, like cavemen, we would not have been able to live the more or less comfortable life that we are leading. Technology doesn't have only a negative effect, it has a positive effect too. There are devices nowadays which can help you predict if an earthquake or a tsunami is going to happen in an area, and with the help of similar technological advances you can flee to another place before you succumb to that earthquake. Would this have been possible had we remained cavemen?

Wars would have happened regardless of technological advancements. They would have been endless and would have continued till the last human died. Yes, while knowing sciences has made it possible for humans to design more advanced weapons, it has also made us much more intelligent and helped us think clearly.

Also, the evolution of technology is something that cannot be avoided. It is man's nature to master his own environment.

 

[Smartie]

Great topic.

Yeah we would be like cavemen, but Is being a caveman such a bad thing?

Well my opinion is if you're born a caveman and in a cavemen society, you could still have a perfect life. But now that we've seen all this amazing things that science and tech has given us, it seems that being a caveman sucks.

The fact human being can adapt himself to the environment real fast, no matter what and how the environment is. The other fact is human being likes to master it.

Why technology has progressed, I don't know, but I know that it's kinda inevitable.

Have we really benefited from it? I can't really tell, and I don't think anyone else can. but I have a theory then we the universe expands, the light side and the dark side grows together. I mean now that we have lots of great tools thanks to tech, but they can be useful as much as they could hurt.

It's our duty to be responsible and know that we are not more powerful than cavemen, we just have much more better options.

 

[Mac Attack]

I strongly disagree with the OP. Firstly I don't think it is necessary to have math to have technological advances. Did the cavemen say 1+1= Spear I think not. Now i'm not so ignorant to say that math hasn't helped the world create some of today' more adncanced things however I think advancement was what was inevitable.

As for us being better off eating mud I think this is stupidity to the max. Yes people have died with the technology we have had throughout history. But compare the populations of cavemen to today's world population and it is exponentially larger. Yes we have lost people in death and wars however these people are truly only a fraction of what our world is. Without technology would we there even be humans on Earth I think not.